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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 08:32 AM Feb 2021

Biden's Revolution Is Doing What Obama and Clinton Did Not

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/bidens-revolution-is-doing-what-obama-and-clinton-did-not?ref=home


Biden’s Revolution Is Doing What Obama and Clinton Did Not
‘MAKE ME DO IT’
One month in, the 46th president is respecting the left even when it wants to go further than he will, and he’s dismissing bad-faith conservative complaints about his agenda.
Michael Tomasky
Special Correspondent
Updated Feb. 22, 2021 7:12AM ET / Published Feb. 22, 2021 4:05AM ET


We’re one month and change into the Biden presidency, and let’s just say it. He’s been staggeringly good. He has way surpassed my expectations. And it’s small wonder he has a 63 percent approval rating. Most people like what they see.

What’s he done, in big-picture terms? Three things. First and foremost, he and his team are not letting themselves be bullied by the economic supply-siders and neoliberals who’ve spent the last few decades transferring $50 trillion in wealth from the middle class to the rich.

Second, the Biden team understands that the standard Beltway definition of bipartisanship is useless with today’s Republican Party. The Biden people get that congressional Republicans don’t even really represent most rank-and-file Republicans anymore—hence these polls showing significant support even among Republicans for most aspects of the COVID relief bill. This administration shows every sign of not letting itself get suckered into the false promise of trying to win Republican votes that aren’t likely to materialize.

Third, they don’t have contempt for Democrats to their left, which is a great thing to see. History tells us pretty clearly in my view that progress is made in this country when activists on the left go out and agitate and change public opinion and liberals codify that change by writing laws. The Biden people clearly agree with this view.

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Biden's Revolution Is Doing What Obama and Clinton Did Not (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2021 OP
I agree, gab13by13 Feb 2021 #1
Biden has stature, longevity, good will bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #2
And experience. Experience COUNTS!!! calimary Feb 2021 #36
He's what we need. K & R Guilded Lilly Feb 2021 #3
It appears that he hasn't forgotten any of the lessons he has picked up along the way. DFW Feb 2021 #4
GOOD. This is a VERY good thing. calimary Feb 2021 #37
Biden has extreme emergencies. That makes all the difference. Hortensis Feb 2021 #5
I've argued for decades that they're -not- the same! electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #45
Yes. Extremely harmful lies that need zero tolerance. Hortensis Feb 2021 #48
+1 betsuni Feb 2021 #59
Biden is a white man so he gets less pushback . But these comparisons don't make sense JI7 Feb 2021 #6
Isn't the article referring to Bill Clinton? Sugarcoated Feb 2021 #28
Yes on the racism against against Obama. 🤬 electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #46
+1 betsuni Feb 2021 #55
+1000 Solomon Feb 2021 #61
Biden knows he will be judged on what he delivers for the American people the next 18 months Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #7
Crying for happiness, for a change.. ananda Feb 2021 #8
I'd compare him to multigraincracker Feb 2021 #9
So would I. Certainly Biden's challenges wnylib Feb 2021 #23
Thanks for posting this. Biden has indeed been staggeringly good this first month. PatrickforB Feb 2021 #10
i am quite happy with him and his administration so far. lark Feb 2021 #11
Competence is in charge mountain grammy Feb 2021 #12
Have we reached earthquake tension yet? Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #13
So far, so exceptional Ferrets are Cool Feb 2021 #14
... speak easy Feb 2021 #16
That is a beautiful creature. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2021 #17
Joe Biden listens. speak easy Feb 2021 #15
I have to say it ..... I was wrong about Biden at the beginning of primary season groundloop Feb 2021 #18
My guess is that Garland NewJeffCT Feb 2021 #24
Ditto. I left DU when Obama came aboard and tried to coddle the Right early on. theneworiginal Feb 2021 #27
Well spoken. nt Tommymac Feb 2021 #53
This article sums it up beautifully PatSeg Feb 2021 #19
Spot on. zentrum Feb 2021 #20
Go big and don't look back. Jon King Feb 2021 #21
We all have to help stack the deck... cynical_idealist Feb 2021 #30
Lucid truth, baby! jaxexpat Feb 2021 #22
Biden will have been in office for 1 month on 2/20. He has gotten a hell of a lot done. Botany Feb 2021 #25
Your last line put a lump in my throat and a little tear in my eye, Botany. JudyM Feb 2021 #51
The right wing/Fox News/GOP are fighting Joe and Kamala's ideas so hard because they know ... Botany Feb 2021 #56
The good/evil is so well-defined this time, maybe the truth will have a better chance JudyM Feb 2021 #60
KnR Hekate Feb 2021 #26
I wonder what the general concensus within the Naysayer Wing of the Democratic Party have to say. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #29
I would like to believe this... angrychair Feb 2021 #31
"...they don't have contempt for Democrats to their left" LudwigPastorius Feb 2021 #32
We need ACTION on critical issues WarGamer Feb 2021 #33
"..why are we waiting until the last minute to pass the Stimulus?" LudwigPastorius Feb 2021 #34
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #35
+1 DeminPennswoods Feb 2021 #38
Perhaps Reagan-lite? Earthshine2 Feb 2021 #47
No, thanks. MineralMan Feb 2021 #57
I don't think Biden is thinking about re-election. apnu Feb 2021 #39
Joe rocks it. Joinfortmill Feb 2021 #40
Many of us knew this.. that he would be Cha Feb 2021 #41
Maybe it's a good thing that Joe Biden's previous attempts to gain the presidency failed. Oldem Feb 2021 #42
Yes, some people learn from their mistakes.. Cha Feb 2021 #43
Agreed. We all learn from our mistake. The trouble is that Oldem Feb 2021 #44
K&R Blue Owl Feb 2021 #49
He has been fanstastic Gore1FL Feb 2021 #50
It's awfully early to make these kind of pronouncements - it would be more appropriate to wait until Midwestern Democrat Feb 2021 #52
Interesting article, ruined by ecstatic Feb 2021 #54
"respecting the left" "don't have contempt for Democrats to their left" betsuni Feb 2021 #58
You have Trump to thank for this Azathoth Feb 2021 #62
I think the last 4 years woke everyone up. It is definitely not politics as usual. FlyingPiggy Feb 2021 #63

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
1. I agree,
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 08:51 AM
Feb 2021

The Democratic voters, left, center , right, are all behind Joe. We have to work on a couple of blips in the Senate, but maybe that will be fixed also.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
2. Biden has stature, longevity, good will
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 09:03 AM
Feb 2021

that translate into political capital. Obama did not have these assets when taking office, and in Republican minds he still lacks them.

Plus Joe is running an administration for patriots - visibly, and often but softly stated. He knows what he's doing.

calimary

(81,264 posts)
36. And experience. Experience COUNTS!!!
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:06 PM
Feb 2021

He’s had plenty of opportunities to see what the CONS are up to, and how slippery and sneaky they operate.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
4. It appears that he hasn't forgotten any of the lessons he has picked up along the way.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 09:05 AM
Feb 2021

Since 1980, being a Republican president has meant reconciling what you hope to get away with, with what you are able to get away with.

Since 1976, being a Democratic president has meant reconciling what you hope to accomplish with what you have a chance of accomplishing, given the obstacles thrown in your face on the way there.

Reagan, Bush, Sr. and Cheney all understood the situation and played by the above guidelines. Carter, Clinton and Obama also understood the situation, and did the same thing.

Trump said "mission accomplished" after his numerous failures, and acted as if putting three bricks in a row meant he had built a house.

Biden was sworn in, and said, " I know where we stand. I've been there. I know what the obstacles will be. Let's start getting around them. Now."

calimary

(81,264 posts)
37. GOOD. This is a VERY good thing.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:09 PM
Feb 2021

He didn’t just roll off the turnip truck, day before yesterday. And he knows VERY well how the bad guys roll.

Such a good thing!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Biden has extreme emergencies. That makes all the difference.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 09:10 AM
Feb 2021

Without the enormous disaster of the Great Depression hurting large portions of the middle class, leading voters to give Democrats control of the WH and both houses of congress for 12 years (!), the New Deal would and could never have happened.

But it's very positive that the years of insidious lies that Biden and other Dems are really just corrupt corporatists, no better than the Republicans, are being blasted. That in itself is vitally important to further empowerment of progressive government. By "the people" with their eyes open and once again seeing clearly.

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
45. I've argued for decades that they're -not- the same!
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 07:00 PM
Feb 2021

Thanks alot Nader, among others.

(I was a real fan of his until this, and his very disturbing, dismissive remarks about "gonad politics".)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Yes. Extremely harmful lies that need zero tolerance.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 08:40 PM
Feb 2021

Leaders who deceive those who believe in him or her shouldn't be trusted to run a garage sale.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
6. Biden is a white man so he gets less pushback . But these comparisons don't make sense
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 09:16 AM
Feb 2021

when they don't consider so many other factors. With time the country gets less white meaning less conservative . That makes a huge difference.

Also winning both of the Georgia Senate seats made a huge difference .

WE are also dealing with a national/international pandemic which was mostly ignored and made worse by Trump.

And he came in after Trump .

I wish people would stop ignoring the racism Obama faced and the misogyny HIllary faced . ANd still do .

Just look at how many of the worst attacks are directed at KAmala Harris more than Biden.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
7. Biden knows he will be judged on what he delivers for the American people the next 18 months
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 09:29 AM
Feb 2021

The relief bill will be what he's remembered for in the mid terms. So he's made it a bold one with things that 75% of the country wants in it. You get as much done as possible. He knows that the Stimulus will be opposed by the GOP no matter what's in it or not in it. So he made it big enough to get us to the end of the pandemic.

The gamble right now is the $15 minimum wage, he didn't have to insist on its inclusion, but he did because if not now, then when?

It's a gamble, the rest of the bill has full support and will pass the Senate easily, there are 3 scenarios now due to Sinema and Manchin:
1. They don't have the will to oppose it and vote yes.
2. There's a compromise, perhaps waivers for some states, perhaps a quick rise to $11 an hour and then a protracted rise to $15 over several years for states like wv.
3. It gets removed and the rest f the bill passes, this will cause a slight delay.

I believe 2 is most likely.

wnylib

(21,451 posts)
23. So would I. Certainly Biden's challenges
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:23 AM
Feb 2021

are equal in significance to the ones that FDR faced.

Biden has the pandemic, a devastated economy, and a physical threat from inside the country through political insurrection. FDR had a devastated economy, growing fascism AND socialism at home, and a physical threat from outside the country.

Just as FDR was what we needed then, Biden is what we need now.

PatrickforB

(14,574 posts)
10. Thanks for posting this. Biden has indeed been staggeringly good this first month.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 09:45 AM
Feb 2021

He is the right President for our times.

lark

(23,099 posts)
11. i am quite happy with him and his administration so far.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 09:52 AM
Feb 2021

He's been exactly who I thought he was and more! I am very proud of him and so happy he is our true president.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,345 posts)
13. Have we reached earthquake tension yet?
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 09:53 AM
Feb 2021

Over at least 40 years, Republicans have been shoving government further right. It's much further right than the population. Have we reached the point of a big, corrective shift?

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
18. I have to say it ..... I was wrong about Biden at the beginning of primary season
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:09 AM
Feb 2021

He's doing a great job, and now I have to wonder why I didn't realize that he was the perfect fit for the situation we find ourselves in.

Now let's just get Merrick Garland confirmed so he can start going after the criminal Former Occupant of the White House.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
24. My guess is that Garland
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:29 AM
Feb 2021

will find that he needs to appoint a special counsel, or 3-4-5 of them, to investigate all the corruption & criminality we saw from Team Trump. That way, it keeps Garland clean as well as Biden.

theneworiginal

(302 posts)
27. Ditto. I left DU when Obama came aboard and tried to coddle the Right early on.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 01:08 PM
Feb 2021

There was all this talk about "wagging the dog" or some such nonsense that Obama was trying to lull the RW by playing along and then he was going to bring the heat. Well, in my opinion, he really never did. Maybe I was a little tough on him calling him Bush-lite, but I wanted so much more after GB Jr., like what Biden is doing post-Trump. BO was presidential, a good man and a great speaker who represented us well to the world, but Biden is all of that and kicking total ass while getting his platform in place in record time. I thought he was just another establishment politician, but I was wrong. I am so impressed with him.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
21. Go big and don't look back.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:40 AM
Feb 2021

Biden must govern well, go big, govern for the people, never apologize for good policy, and let the cards fall where they may politically in 2022 and 2024.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
25. Biden will have been in office for 1 month on 2/20. He has gotten a hell of a lot done.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:48 AM
Feb 2021

Short List:

Here are the executive actions Biden has signed so far.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/index.html
President Biden: "I'm not making new law. I'm eliminating bad policy."

Jen Psaki!

Dogs back at the White House.

We are back in the Paris Climate Accords.

Corona virus numbers are starting to go down. Still way too high.

10s of millions of Americans have gotten the vaccine for C-19 or will get it by summer.

Schools are gonna reopen when it is safe.

Waiting to visit Texas so he doesn't interfere with the clean up and power/water restoration projects.

......



BTW Joe and Kamala are building a new democratic party for the future and it will be very popular too.



JudyM

(29,241 posts)
51. Your last line put a lump in my throat and a little tear in my eye, Botany.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:02 AM
Feb 2021

This seems so possible and I’m regaining some faith by what and how they’re doing things, and what they are showing us all about who they are and what we all can do together.


Botany

(70,504 posts)
56. The right wing/Fox News/GOP are fighting Joe and Kamala's ideas so hard because they know ...
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:43 AM
Feb 2021

.... how popular they will be and look @ the diversity of the people Joe picked and you
can see that he is building a new super majority that will dwarf the GOP's old white pissed
off man party.

Despite the billions of $s the right has spent and still is spending on hate talk if you take the
electoral college out of it the Ds would have won every presidential election since 1993.

JudyM

(29,241 posts)
60. The good/evil is so well-defined this time, maybe the truth will have a better chance
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 12:16 AM
Feb 2021

of getting through.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
29. I wonder what the general concensus within the Naysayer Wing of the Democratic Party have to say.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 01:48 PM
Feb 2021

I doubt there will be more than a very few that will cut off their hand to spite their arm.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
31. I would like to believe this...
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 02:59 PM
Feb 2021

But I do not

This administration shows every sign of not letting itself get suckered into the false promise of trying to win Republican votes that aren’t likely to materialize.


They seem at ever turn to be posturing toward conservative votes.
The Senate backing away from witnesses. The backtracking on $15 minimum wage. The backtracking on student loan debt relief. Backtracking on undocumented immigration issues.

I genuinely worry those in Congress and the WH will fall into the appeasement trap toward Republican demands.

I genuinely worry we will be still spinning our wheels on legislation 18 months from now and have to hope that people buy the excuse it was because of republicans and not because we flopped around trying to get republicans work with us....again.


LudwigPastorius

(9,140 posts)
32. "...they don't have contempt for Democrats to their left"
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 03:03 PM
Feb 2021

I seem to remember the criticism Obama had for the left wing of the party was only in relation to campaign rhetoric.

Far from "contempt" for the left wing, his statements were about what the average American voter was going to accept in the way of a candidate's proposed agenda during the primaries and presidential campaign.

Those statements were borne out when Biden, a centrist candidate running a centrist campaign, got more delegates and more of the popular vote in the primaries than Bernie and Elizabeth Warren combined.

WarGamer

(12,444 posts)
33. We need ACTION on critical issues
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 03:03 PM
Feb 2021

This nation has a serious FUNDING problem.

This nation has a serious Wealth Equity problem.

Taxes need to rise substantially NOW.

Start with a 5% one-time Wealth tax for all net worth over 750k and an annual 1% Wealth tax.

And why are we waiting until the last minute to pass the Stimulus?

LudwigPastorius

(9,140 posts)
34. "..why are we waiting until the last minute to pass the Stimulus?"
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 03:32 PM
Feb 2021

That's the way Budget Reconciliation works. It's a very involved, back-and-forth between the House and the Senate.

The House passes it first, then it goes to the Senate (where it was slightly delayed by Trump's impeachment trial), then back to the House so they can vote on the Senate changes. All of these changes must be carefully written so they will pass the Byrd Rule, and so they will be assured approval by all 50 Democratic Senators.

Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer correctly decided that budget reconcilliation was the fastest way, and the ONLY way, that their proposed stimulus provisions would pass.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
38. +1
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:11 PM
Feb 2021

Obama was a moderate/centrist Dem. That's who he is. Not good or bad, just his nature. Biden, though, has certainly evolved. His first month has been beyond great by me.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
39. I don't think Biden is thinking about re-election.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:12 PM
Feb 2021

I don't think he'll run in 2024. I think he wants to accomplish as much as he can in 4 years and is just done with the B.S. that gets in his way.

So he doesn't care if he burns bridges with Republicans. Let's face it, there are no bridges, the GOP burned them years ago. He's right to tell Republicans to shove it.

Cha

(297,218 posts)
41. Many of us knew this.. that he would be
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:13 PM
Feb 2021

the one to take us all the way an Do an Excellent job once he got there..

We fought long and hard.. to Biden Supporters from the Get Go.. & I'm talking about all over the country, too!

Oldem

(833 posts)
42. Maybe it's a good thing that Joe Biden's previous attempts to gain the presidency failed.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:34 PM
Feb 2021

He's seasoned, now. He knows the pitfalls. He's seen the mistakes. That's how wisdom and purpose are born. Which is not to say that he will always do the best thing, but he's in a better position to do so. And he's a good man.

Cha

(297,218 posts)
43. Yes, some people learn from their mistakes..
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:42 PM
Feb 2021

they apologize, learn, and move on.

Pres Biden was and is in a perfect position to gain a lot of experience & qualifications along the way to the Presidency.

Thank Goodness.. for Democracy, The People, & the Planet!

Oldem

(833 posts)
44. Agreed. We all learn from our mistake. The trouble is that
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 06:51 PM
Feb 2021

some learn the wrong lessons. There's no guarantee that we get better with experience. Ron Johnson hasn't. Lindsey Graham hasn't. I shudder to think what these guys'--much less Ted Qrus'--experiences have been and what warped lessens they have learned--what warped choices they have made. Joe is a good soul and has learned humane lessons, made good choices..

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
50. He has been fanstastic
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:08 PM
Feb 2021

He was far from my first choice. It's clear has come out of the gates strong, and it's nice to the majority use its power.

52. It's awfully early to make these kind of pronouncements - it would be more appropriate to wait until
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 07:15 AM
Feb 2021

the first midterm to determine a) just what has the president accomplished and b) what shape is his party in after the first midterm election.

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
54. Interesting article, ruined by
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:05 AM
Feb 2021

a divisive headline. I think the author of this piece would have gotten a lot more positive feedback had he just focused on Biden without dragging 2 popular past presidents.

betsuni

(25,519 posts)
58. "respecting the left" "don't have contempt for Democrats to their left"
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 10:56 AM
Feb 2021

No, just more experienced after all these years and more subtle about manipulating the populists. Give them what they think they want, put them in "Teh Establishment" positions -- takes away the Us vs. Them populist thing with the Democratic Party being the elite establishment corrupt as opposed to the virtuous pure outsiders. Done!

Azathoth

(4,608 posts)
62. You have Trump to thank for this
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 12:29 AM
Feb 2021

Trump's holocaust of a "presidency", and the death cult the GOP built around him leading to an organized insurrection and attempt to overthrow a national election, shook even establishment Beltway Democrats to their core. There is simply no room left to promote the delusion that the GOP is a responsible political party that deserves a seat at the table.

I guarantee that if we had had Rubio or Jeb or hell even Cruz for the past four years, Biden would be more closely following Obama's accomodationist approach.

FlyingPiggy

(3,384 posts)
63. I think the last 4 years woke everyone up. It is definitely not politics as usual.
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 12:34 AM
Feb 2021

We are in a different era, that’s for sure.

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