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Bill Kristol: Live image from CPAC. (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2021 OP
THIS DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #1
Lol EarlG Feb 2021 #2
EarlG, may I pass this on? nt cry baby Feb 2021 #3
Feel free! EarlG Feb 2021 #4
Thanks for all you do and thanks especially for your creativity! cry baby Feb 2021 #6
The smoke should be coming out of his a$$. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #7
Yea, especially since that's where he talks from. KS Toronado Feb 2021 #11
Yep. highplainsdem Feb 2021 #14
Perfect! highplainsdem Feb 2021 #12
LOVE this! calimary Feb 2021 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Feb 2021 #30
Perfect n/t malaise Feb 2021 #43
I was expecting scenes similar to the movies 'Thunder Dome' and 'The Purge', but that works too! Omnipresent Feb 2021 #5
And their god will smite them as well. SoonerPride Feb 2021 #8
The fatted calf. sheshe2 Feb 2021 #9
And the morons bowed and prayed SledDriver Feb 2021 #10
This one should have been in today's toons. KS Toronado Feb 2021 #13
Pretty sure it was when it was new. soldierant Feb 2021 #35
Simon & Garfunkel had it right all those years ago Hekate Feb 2021 #15
Yep. That's about the size of it. calimary Feb 2021 #24
Dupe. Sorry. calimary Feb 2021 #25
Something in the party just plain broke at some point Sympthsical Feb 2021 #16
Their brains are broken. DinahMoeHum Feb 2021 #22
I hear you. Lonestarblue Feb 2021 #23
Or maybe something didn't "break"? Maybe it was always there. Yavin4 Feb 2021 #37
That isn't true, though Sympthsical Feb 2021 #42
Nope. I remember Kristol when he was a neo-con, promoting the Iraq invasion. lindysalsagal Feb 2021 #17
No, he isn't a good guy OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #26
Kristol sold his flimsy, shopworn soul with the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) that..... RussellCattle Feb 2021 #27
It really should be a butter cow. ratchiweenie Feb 2021 #18
I think I'm going to be sick. The cult is in full brainwash, fever pitch mode. nt Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #19
Wow. speak easy Feb 2021 #20
Apt and pointed. The conservative PAC Oldem Feb 2021 #28
k&r DesertRat Feb 2021 #29
He can joke all he wants. Volaris Feb 2021 #31
Kick Cha Feb 2021 #32
Has Bill Kristol had a change of heart? BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #33
he's been very anti trump for the past few years. mucifer Feb 2021 #34
ouch . that stings ,:) AllaN01Bear Feb 2021 #36
There was once a king named David locks Feb 2021 #38
Bloody Bill with a... JoeOtterbein Feb 2021 #39
Mammon / Moloch - The Trump/GOP Gods keithbvadu2 Feb 2021 #40
Stupid cult dalton99a Feb 2021 #41
He looks like a fucking clown malaise Feb 2021 #44

calimary

(81,260 posts)
21. LOVE this!
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 02:34 PM
Feb 2021

I saw some of the coverage of CPAC this morning and couldn’t help noticing empty chairs in the audience.

Response to EarlG (Reply #2)

calimary

(81,260 posts)
24. Yep. That's about the size of it.
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 02:44 PM
Feb 2021

They claim they’re “Christian” but they do love their cheap gold-painted idolatry.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
16. Something in the party just plain broke at some point
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 01:39 PM
Feb 2021

And I don't think the answer is as simple as people want to make it. Racist, sexist, etc. Yeah, there's no minor amount of that. But there is more going on here. These people done snapped. I have conservative friends and acquaintances who I've valued over the years. Not because we agreed on policy, but just because I could tell in conversation that they did think their beliefs through. These are incredibly intelligent people who have made insights that made me think differently about various questions. I still landed on the liberal/progressive side in my answers, but just knowing they were thinking made conversation possible.

Now, I can't quite recognize a few of them. They bought into this idea that there's a corporate Uniparty. Which I'm almost with them on, except Biden is tracking much farther Left than I would've imagined. The man is up to something. In a good way. It's like he's like, "Tch, I only pretended to be a moderate. Now I shall unleash the full power of Democratic Liberalism!" And I am fucking here for all of it.

But some of these cogent, intelligent people I knew have gone goofy. I can't explain it. They're not the same people. Not all the conservatives I know. Not by a long way. But a few of them. You can see they've been corrupted and deformed in some way. Their thinking is skewed, conspiratorial, desperate, hunted. They're not thinking anymore. They're reacting. But I don't know what they're reacting to. They're not racist or sexist. They've never betrayed a hint of that. But they feel like they're at war or defending their territory against the Cultural Left. Which I kind of get. I'm very anti-woke. I hate woke crap. Such authoritarian nonsense. But it's not just that.

They feel oppressed.

And no, it's not just, "Oh, they're just losing their white privilege." That's a trite-ass answer people throw at everything. When all you have is a hammer, etc.

Something broke. I'm still trying to piece together what. But I'm so disheartened, disappointed, sad, etc. to see some of the most intelligent people I know empty their critical thinking and embrace total reactionism.

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
23. I hear you.
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 02:41 PM
Feb 2021

I have a friend who has now switched from Fox to Newsmax, and his theories have gone from just nutty to over-the-too crazy. The most recent one is that all the election fraud is coming out, and when it’s public Biden will be forced out of the presidency and Trump will become president again. The total lack of understanding of US law is just mind boggling! I have given up on the idea that these people can be reached with facts because the only “facts” they’re willing to believe are conspiracy theories.

It’s sad, but we just have to do our best to convince independents and new voters that the Republican Party does not serve their interests. I think Biden is doing that, and once Covid is under control he can move even more aggressively on his agenda to improve the lives of working people. Using alternative energy to create new jobs in areas hit hard by the loss of coal jobs or manufacturing jobs (like Youngstown) would be a real show of Democratic intent—versus the demonstrated Republican intent of Trump’s first two years where the only significant legislation was a tax cut for the rich and an effort to take health insurance away from millions of people.

I’d like to see some regular communication coming from the White House and going to social media and whatever channels work, a “Here’s what Democrats are working on for you” message. Republicans are good at getting their message out, even though it’s usually filled with nothing but lies.

I would also like to see email surveys that genuinely allow for voter input rather than the endless surveys I get via email that are barely disguised appeals for money. Their questions are worded so that you will answer only one way if you’re a Democrat, so there is no real opinion being voiced. I just delete these.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
37. Or maybe something didn't "break"? Maybe it was always there.
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 10:39 PM
Feb 2021

And we never noticed it.

Trump just gave them license to show it in public. People are capable of good and bad things, and sometimes all it takes is for a leader to come along and unlock it.

If JFK, RFK, MLK, John Lewis, Obama, etc. can inspire good people to do good/great things, isn't the opposite true as well?

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
42. That isn't true, though
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 03:54 PM
Feb 2021

I hear you and what you're saying. But, I know these people. I've known them for years. They were waiting for permission to be awful people. They're not awful people.

But they bought into something. I'm still trying to figure it. Because it makes little logical sense to me.

These are not bad people. But they are under a lot of bad thinking at the moment.

I don't have an answer yet. But if pressed, I think this is a media thing. Both mainstream and social. There is a devil somewhere. I'm just trying to identify it, because I don't know yet. I can't see the cause yet. But I see the influence.

lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
17. Nope. I remember Kristol when he was a neo-con, promoting the Iraq invasion.
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 01:43 PM
Feb 2021

Not a good guy. Don't be fooled.

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
27. Kristol sold his flimsy, shopworn soul with the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) that.....
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 02:49 PM
Feb 2021

......actively promoted sending half a million American troops to the Middle East to smite the enemies of God's own chosen country Israel. He was aided and abetted in this idiotic enterprise by the entire Kagan family of narrow minded assholes who infected American academia for years as they masqueraded as "historians".

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
31. He can joke all he wants.
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 06:14 PM
Feb 2021

I'll laugh when hes ready to cop to being one of the goldsmiths who built the forge for that fuckin thing.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
33. Has Bill Kristol had a change of heart?
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:41 PM
Feb 2021

Or does he just see a schism between his (possibly former) neoconservative compatriots and views and...whatever the hell this mess is now? Would-be dictatorship?

locks

(2,012 posts)
38. There was once a king named David
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 11:51 PM
Feb 2021

He made a golden calf and taught his people how to dance naked to worship the calf. Moses came down from the mountain and was so angry when he saw what the people were doing that he threw down the table of Ten Commandments and melted down the golden calf. I hope we've elected a Moses who will melt down the golden Trumpet.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
39. Bloody Bill with a...
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 01:09 AM
Feb 2021

...bull?

They all bow down to the golden calf everyday; aka cold hard cash. Which is how they got and maintain their jobs.

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