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cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 02:36 AM Jan 2012

Our elected representatives are lying to us. Daily. All 537 of them.

When they are not overtly telling lies, they are lying by omission. "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" is a cliche created to describe how politics works. When politics became a lucrative vocation, the fate of this country was cast in stone.

To say we can effect systemic change while the people who got us to this point remain in office is to say a heroin addict can kick the habit while hanging with his/her junkie friends.

All lies, told by all politicians, all the time. Do not tell me that your elected rep is honest. They're not. When they sit in hearings concerning topics that affect the prices of publicly traded stocks and then make phone calls to their investment managers, they're lying by omission.

They are dishonest. All of them.

If a person who wants to be a cop should be given psychological testing, then so should anyone seeking elective office, for pretty much the same reasons.

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Our elected representatives are lying to us. Daily. All 537 of them. (Original Post) cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 OP
Campaign finance reform would be a good start.. n/t poverlay Jan 2012 #1
!!! txlibdem Jan 2012 #4
Yup thats what pols do madokie Jan 2012 #5
We need to get millionaires OUT of politics... at all levels of gov't txlibdem Jan 2012 #6
No doubt about that madokie Jan 2012 #7
Affirmative action and Psych Tests for all would-be politicians txlibdem Jan 2012 #10
And mandatory public financing with NO OPT-OUT! txlibdem Jan 2012 #11
They are pols, and pols lie ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #2
They're millionaires... that's whose interests they'll ALWAYS be working for txlibdem Jan 2012 #3
Then the next question should be -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #8
I don't want them "managing" ANY part of my life. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #12
Not picking a fight here but only trying to square the circle -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #14
I know they all are..and it's extremely disillusioning.. Upton Jan 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #13

txlibdem

(6,183 posts)
6. We need to get millionaires OUT of politics... at all levels of gov't
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 09:14 AM
Jan 2012

Maybe it's time for some kind of affirmative action laws: that the government must match the racial, economic, social makeup of the people they govern.

txlibdem

(6,183 posts)
10. Affirmative action and Psych Tests for all would-be politicians
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:37 AM
Jan 2012

Keep the power-hungry and the psychopaths OUT of office.

txlibdem

(6,183 posts)
11. And mandatory public financing with NO OPT-OUT!
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 03:54 PM
Jan 2012

This BS of having a 2 year election cycle for a 4 year office has got to go.

There should be 4 debates for each party to decide their candidate, one each week, televised for the whole nation and voted on one week after the final debate -- no advertising for candidates of any kind allowed, no advertising from outside parties: only the candidate him- or herself can make the ad and they can't go over budget from the amount of public financing.

Then after the primaries there should be 4 debates on Thursday of each of the 4 weeks before the election begins. Voting begins on the Friday after the final debate and ends at midnight the following Sunday. Same limitations on ads as the primaries.

Period. That's about a 2 month campaign cycle and no outside money is allowed, nor any personal money. Public financing only.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. Then the next question should be --
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:14 AM
Jan 2012

how much of our lives should we give over to them to manage?

Do I really want to trust irredeemable, near-pathological liars with my health, education and finances?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
12. I don't want them "managing" ANY part of my life.
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 03:04 AM
Jan 2012

The problem as I see it is that none of my current representatives would go about protecting ME until they got a little sompin' sompin' for themselves in the transaction.

Sad that our fellow voters can't see past "I love MY Congresscritter and Senator".

After this coming election, we'll see 75% of the running incumbents re-elected and inaugurated.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
14. Not picking a fight here but only trying to square the circle --
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jan 2012
Sad that our fellow voters can't see past "I love MY Congresscritter and Senator".

After this coming election, we'll see 75% of the running incumbents re-elected and inaugurated.


So how do you feel about re-electing Obama?

That's not snark. Supposedly we want people of principle but they will only be as principled as their constitutents. Yes, Obama has done some good things and yes he is better than 99.9% of those ideologically opposed to him but at the same time he has done some things that not only propagate the worst of his predecessor's policies but actually make them worse. It isn't enough to just say, "Oh well, that's Obama. It's OK."

No. No it's not because now it is an unopposed precedent. Libya wasn't just an undeclared war/military action void of congressional oversight, it was license to every successor to do the same for whatever whim they choose. We know how often he has acted unconstitutionally or in favor of corporations with things like insurance mandates or bailouts that would have paid for Bush's wars for 70 years. I could cite more instances but my point isn't to bash Obama.The point is: what are WE, his voters, going to do about it.

"But the GOP is worse!!!" we're told, lest we step out of line.

So we default to, "I love MY congresscritter and senator -- and president."

We deserve Obama and every GOP president after him that acts the exact same way he does.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
9. I know they all are..and it's extremely disillusioning..
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:19 AM
Jan 2012

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to participate in the process...

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