What MSM is ignoring or downplaying about the Atlanta shootings

[spooky3]

I read the NYT, WaPo, and BBC coverage of the story. Clearly, racist hate may have played a role and the media are stating this explicitly. But where is the mention of misogyny and sexism as playing a role? Missing nearly entirely from the WaPo and NYTimes coverage, even though the suspect admitted that he targeted women because they “tempted” him.

At least the BBC noted that their hate crimes law omits sex and gender as a basis for determining hate, even while race, sexual orientation, and other factors are included.

It is time that misogyny be named front and center as a problem and solutions be discussed.

[leftieNanner]

1. And the Deeply Rooted Toxic Religion

As well. He killed those women because his religion told him that his sexual desires were sinful. And it was all their fault.

[Cartoonist]

3. Religion will never be recognized as evil.

Except for the other guy's religion.

[wnylib]

18. I agree completely that the media have

overlooked misogyny in reporting about the shootings. But I haven't come across any reports yet that give religion as the cause of his concern about sexual addiction. What is his religion?

[leftieNanner]

20. Apparently, "devout" Southern Baptist

Where all things human are sins.

[louis-t]

27. All things except murder, apparently.

[LiberalLoner]

2. I think in our culture

It’s so normal to hate women and to use violence against women that we don’t see it as anything bad, as a culture. It’s just the way things are, you know.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

4. Sadly it's so common for men to murder women that if you called that a 'hate crime' ...

You'd sorta water down the idea behind the particular elevated penalties.

I mean, if we want to have a system where basically men murdering men (or women murdering women) who are pretty much just like themselves, by any reasonable definition ... are basically one (lower penalty) class of murder, and all others have elevated penalties, I guess we could do that too.

That said, getting back the VAWA would be an excellent move in the right direction!

[Bev54]

33. It is definitely being reported on cable news that it was all women

They are not ignoring it, but then it is the women that are bringing this forward, not the men.

[spooky3]

39. Yes, and mentioning that only that women were victims

Does not identify sexism or misogyny as an issue. It would be like identifying targets as Asian American, but not raising the possibility explicitly that racism would be investigated as a motive, or that this incident calls attention to a broader societal problem.

[Bev54]

42. They were discussing it as part of the motivation

[spooky3]

43. Not in the sources I noted in my OP, as of the time of the OP. Nt

[multigraincracker]

5. He has a sexual addiction?

I have a simple cure for that. Just 2 quick snipes and no more problem. Might think twice if that were the cure.

[iluvtennis]

7. Ditto. nt

[LiberalLoner]

9. Suicide is preferable to murder, too. At least in my mind it is.

[mezame]

17. Or...

pump him full of estrogens. Chemical castration is nothing new.

[wnylib]

23. There actually is such a thing as

sexual addition, often going back to chilhood sexual abuse that sexualizes a person's identity, and there is such a thing as counseling for it.

But if someone really does have a sexual addiction and admits it to himself, why on earth is he putting the blame on women and KILLING them, instead of getting counseling?

[Rustyeye77]

24. Oh...is that a disability like alcohol addiction??

There are clinics that can help him overcome that addiction.

I bet he walks.

[jaxexpat]

30. Snipes or snips? That's really important. Really.

Can't imagine how introducing some fast little wading birds into the situation would help at all. But if I'm wrong........maybe pelicans could end international warfare. Blue footed boobies can stop bombers before they even get off the ground, I hear. What? have we been misusing the dove as a peace symbol when it should have been a flamingo all along.

[empedocles]

6. Any word on suspect's ''pol'tics''?

[barbtries]

8. End the patriarchy.

Women are people. goddammit.

[LiberalLoner]

10. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the world really believed that?

I’m 59 and not holding my breath for it to happen any time soon. In fact I often think we are going backwards, and fast.

[barbtries]

31. because republicans and religions.

obviously they will not go quietly. male chauvinist pigs (now you know how old i am!) cannot perceive of a world where equality exists and they still do well, even though in reality they would probably do much better.

it is beyond annoying how back assward the world is, but i have hope for my granddaughter at least.

[andym]

11. Actually shooting led to this article today about sexism and racism playing a role in recent attacks

not just the shooting.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/there-were-3-800-anti-asian-racist-incidents-mostly-against-n1261257

[spooky3]

40. Glad to see that article. Nt

[Mr.Bill]

12. Another thing mentioned here last night is

yet another white armed mass murderer was taken into custody without a scratch or a bruise on him.

[spooky3]

46. Yes, I'm sure that was just due to chance.

So glad that the law officials didn't make his "bad day" worse...

[IronLionZion]

13. Looks like this terrorist hit the trifecta here: gender, race, religion

His neighbors are saying he's from "a good Christian family" so he decided to punish the Asian women tempting him by their existence. If it turns out that these massage parlors were fronts for sex work, he'll probably get sympathy from religious nuts who ignore "thou shall not kill".

[malaise]

15. THIS

[Ilsa]

21. Because Jesus said murder was okay but sex for money isn't. Not.

Such hypocrites.

That shithead would have been better served finding a new religion that was cool with his "sex addiction."

[IronLionZion]

28. Like Kyle Rittenhouse, they'll probably crowdfund his legal fees nt

[Larissa]

14. It's all a part of a pattern

Violence and disrespect against women are all of a piece. Male bosses groping and feeling up women in the workplace knowing that she'll think twice about complaining; could be out of a job. She'll smile, wear high heels, make-up and lipstick and like it. Some of these same male gropers even have daughters. Would they like their daughters to submit to such debasing workplace harassment?

[mezame]

22. War on Women Everywhere

wasn't there something about gauging a society by how women were treated? I guess the lessons we learned watching The Black Panther need a reboot. Passing the Equality Act would help, at least here. But the degradation or elevation of women is playing out globally right now. Much of it is heartbreaking and painful to see (Boko Haram). We absolutely must keep shining lights and lift up our brave, strong women (RBG, AOC, Stacey A. - so many going back and leading through centuries).

The AmEroAfroUro "Beauty Standard(s)" really are double-edged swords. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Now's a good a time as any to start thinking about what's important to you. Stop living for things. Start living for each other.

/endrant

[LiberalLoner]

35. A fair number of those male gropers are also molesting their daughters, remember. I think I read

1 in 3 females are molested as children. That molestation is not perpetrated by strangers, actually. But society doesn’t want to really look at reality. As a formerly abused kid, I will just say, families suck.

[Treefrog]

16. AGREE.

[appleannie1]

19. I tried to convey this in the other thread on the shootings.

It is no different than blaming what a woman is wearing when she is raped instead of blaming the man that is guilty of raping her. He killed them because they were tempting him? BS. They are not the problem. He is the one with the problem and he would have found women to shoot no matter what their job was. Quit blaming the victims whenever they are women.

[mezame]

25. Trans Panic...

...has also been used to defend murderous behavior. The 'i was tricked and panicked' miscreants have a special level in Dante's Hell awaiting them. Or pump them full of estrogens and start calling them Sue.

[peggysue2]

26. I don't think there's any question that misogyny was involved

He blames the women (who he murdered) for tempting him, seducing him into behavior he wanted to stop. As if he had no agency to stop himself.

Women as the seductress, the seducer, the temptress, yada, yada is the excuse. That and having a bad day.

Clearly, this young man had problems with women, so severe he decided murdering them was a solution because they were making him to do 'bad things'.

If he came from a strict religious back ground where sex is blasted day after day as sinful and ugly, then that would only increase the tension and boil over in an unstable mind.

Victimization on steroids. Violence and death is frequently the end note.

[Hoyt]

29. In this particular case, adding hate crime charges wouldn't make a difference in his punishment

unless we start torturing mass killers. I think hate crimes charges are only good if the victim(s) aren't killed.

With that said, not in opposition to adding all kinds of hate crime designations.

[spooky3]

41. But using that logic, you would question why the articles raised

The question of whether racism was the motive.

This incident is horrifying on its own, but it is also likely an indicator of a societal problem of misogyny and sexism. That needs to be addressed, just as George Floyd’s murder is not an isolated event.

I’m glad to see that Chris Hayes’s guests and he are discussing this and intersectionality now.

I would also like the media to stop appearing to presume that Asian American spas are engaging in prostitution.

[Mike 03]

32. 100%

This is the aspect of the story that worries me the most. There are hundreds of thousands of guys just like this out there. Not all of them are mass shooters or spree killers. Some might be serial killers.

I'm just as guilty as anyone else of ridiculing the Incels, but they are not a laughing batter. They are driven by a hatred of women and a ludicrous sense of self-entitlement and a refusal to take personal responsibility for their lives. Some will be propelled into violence. They are first and foremost loners; therefore, more difficult to track than, say, a militia or white supremacy group where members cross-communicate frequently or put themselves at risk attempting to recruit new members. Incels are out there all by themselves, ruminating and fantasizing.

I'm glad there are several posts on this topic.

KICK AND REC.

[BlueNProud]

34. I doubt this guy has ever had an actual real emotional relationship with a woman

very stunted world view no doubt fueled by interwebs

[LiberalLoner]

36. I wonder what his home life was like? Where did he learn that women are just objects so it's

Okay to hurt or kill them?

He had to be carefully taught...

[BobTheSubgenius]

37. How in the name of anything holy does a hate crime law cover all the things it does, but not gender?

I can scarcely believe it's true, although I trust that it is so. Definitely, it should cover gender and any other characteristic that is identifiable.

[spooky3]

38. That's what BBC reported, and this link says it's true:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime

[BobTheSubgenius]

44. OH, I believe it's true, as I said.

It's just hard to imagine why it is.

[Ilsa]

45. And with that exception,

we still can't get the Violence Against Women Act re-authorized. Women are screwed both ways.

[uponit7771]

47. K&R, the M$M has ran 1241234 stories on Cuomo pre-investigation but wont call this guy misogynist