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Bucky

(54,087 posts)
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 04:27 PM Mar 2021

Tell me about your grandparents

I'm curious about everybody's history. I wonder how we, as a cluster of Americans from around the continent, collectively tell the American story.

On my mom's side they were both Missouri sharecroppers, born in 1913. They were Church of Christ, got married at 21, and Grandpa got them off the farm in the Depression by going to Bible college in Tennessee. He became a preacher I moved around a bit till the 40s when he got a regular gig in Chicago, where they raised my mom and her sisters.

Eventually he became a teacher/preacher at small Bible college in northern Arkansas, and finally president of a Christian junior college in suburban Philadelphia. Grandma was very active, but in the sphere allowed to women in conservative Christianity in the midcentury. She led the wives' auxiliary everything. My mom went to the high school attached to the Arkansas college, then stayed on there after Grandma and Grandpa moved to Philly. That's where she and Dad met.

My dad's mom was the granddaughter of Oklahoma Sooners and grew up on a farm. My grandpa was born in Harrison, Arkansas (sometimes called the most racist town in America) in 1899 and ran off to join the merchant Marine just before World War One, which is a pretty dangerous gig. He eventually got a safer sailor job out of Seattle. There is a mystery about what he was doing during the 1920s, but around 1930 he showed up in Tulsa working for the railroad. They were 12 years apart and they "met cute" as they say in the movies.

Nana had just graduated from a secretarial school and on her first day on the job managed to spill an entire bottle of ink across the front of her nicest white silk blouse. He came to her rescue with a spare shirt he had (not a great fit, she told me). Around '32 or '33 they were married and he was promoted to managing the railroad office in Sapulpa OK, where my dad and aunt were born. Once in the 50s, my dad's dad ran for school board on an anti-segregation pledge and lost in a close race. Somehow my dad, raised a moderate Methodist, decided to become a Church of Christ preacher and went off to that same small Christian college in northern Arkansas.

All my grandparents were FDR and Truman Democrats. We didn't talk politics much, but I suspect they got pulled right by Reagan (not by civil rights as they were all strongly pro civil rights, pro desegregation, and gradually anti Vietnam War). The vast majority of my cousins probably voted for Trump tho. My parents just got leftier and leftier with the years--probably cause we lived in Houston instead of small towns.

Anyway, that's my grandparents' story and a bit of my folks'. You don't have to write that much, but I'm very curious about the religion and politics and ethnicity and vocations and geography of your families going 2 generations back. Share what you're comfortable with and anything else you think might add to the big American story (especially including family stories that might start outside the country).

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Tell me about your grandparents (Original Post) Bucky Mar 2021 OP
On one side of my family - DURHAM D Mar 2021 #1
The 1862 Homestead Act basically invented the American middle class Bucky Mar 2021 #29
What is amazing to me is that almost no one knows DURHAM D Mar 2021 #35
I've often wondered whether the Homestead Act is what made the huge MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #43
I'm surprised that any major bills passed at that time Polybius Mar 2021 #72
Even in 1862, people were expecting the Civil War to be over within a year Bucky Mar 2021 #74
one set in England, one in Minnesota Skittles Mar 2021 #2
I recently got some more information on my Great Grandfather from Ireland Beringia Mar 2021 #3
Wonderful. Especially appreciate the pics. Bucky Mar 2021 #54
Do you happen to know what year the third picture is taken? Chellee Mar 2021 #60
Hi, I did some calculations Beringia Mar 2021 #63
Thank you! Chellee Mar 2021 #67
You're welcome Beringia Mar 2021 #68
Also regarding the young one on the right Beringia Mar 2021 #70
My paternal grandparents left Russia in 1903. Thunderbeast Mar 2021 #4
Like my family, there's this whole Slavic curse that seems to come down in the dna soothsayer Mar 2021 #6
Just curious - DURHAM D Mar 2021 #15
Jewish from Belarus. Thunderbeast Mar 2021 #20
Thank you for responding. DURHAM D Mar 2021 #22
Well this shows how little I know about my own family soothsayer Mar 2021 #5
My grandmother had rheumatic fever as a child treestar Mar 2021 #65
My great grandmother came to join her husband from Dublin in the mid late 1800s PortTack Mar 2021 #7
Mine were immigrants CanonRay Mar 2021 #8
Go Union!! Bucky Mar 2021 #31
Yes, Grandma Nell was a force of nature. CanonRay Mar 2021 #41
That's so great! Salute to the ILGW!! MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #45
Okay... cate94 Mar 2021 #9
wonderful Bucky Mar 2021 #32
Czech on dad's side hauckeye Mar 2021 #10
In my family the immigration happened 4 generations back FakeNoose Mar 2021 #11
So true! Getting all that history is wonderful! MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #46
Three were immigrants nuxvomica Mar 2021 #12
What a great story! MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #47
OK, fasten your seatbelts. no_hypocrisy Mar 2021 #13
Wow. Incredible MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #48
An interesting history thanks to my great aunt. Biophilic Mar 2021 #14
My own grandparents... Archae Mar 2021 #16
So, do you call them DURHAM D Mar 2021 #36
I never heard those terms before. Archae Mar 2021 #69
My paternal grandfather was the son of Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #17
I have six. I only met one. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2021 #18
On my mother's side, my grandfather was a history professor that went west from N.Y. for the panader0 Mar 2021 #19
All four came through Ellis Island around 1900. lpbk2713 Mar 2021 #21
On my mom's side dsc Mar 2021 #23
My grandparents, as their ancestors before them, came from Latvia tavernier Mar 2021 #24
My grandparents...damn I miss them róisín_dubh Mar 2021 #25
Grandma Frances on Mom's side MOMFUDSKI Mar 2021 #26
Minnesota & Iowa RustyWheels Mar 2021 #27
I only met one of them, my mother's mother who died when I was 2 Wicked Blue Mar 2021 #28
My father's parents were murdered in Auschwitz Danmel Mar 2021 #30
This is such a powerful thread. A friend on FB started one like this, so I'm copying him. Bucky Mar 2021 #33
Daniel, such a painful story MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #50
2 grandparents came here in steerage, famine refugees from ireland. mopinko Mar 2021 #34
My father's father was the son of a Welsh immigrant csziggy Mar 2021 #37
Interesting that your mom had an eye on history MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #51
Yes, in her later years she worked with the local history association csziggy Mar 2021 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author treestar Mar 2021 #64
First, Cool Idea Bucky ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #38
My grandfather was the illegitimate son of DenaliDemocrat Mar 2021 #39
My grandparents were all wild things in their youth. hunter Mar 2021 #40
I'm mixed. Shanty Irish and Lace Curtain Irish MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #42
Bucky kudos for this thread! I'm really enjoying these stories MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #44
Me too Bucky Mar 2021 #56
Both grandfathers were Irish lawyers jumptheshadow Mar 2021 #49
Cowboys, Indians, Irish immigrants and Holocaust victims are all in my family tree. Liberty Belle Mar 2021 #53
All my grandparents were at least the 2nd generation in the US. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #55
Sure. Mariana Mar 2021 #57
A strange mix.. sir pball Mar 2021 #58
Both quite different shanti Mar 2021 #59
With me, it was a rather diverse quartet DFW Mar 2021 #61
My Dutch and English grandparents have been here for a long time. smirkymonkey Mar 2021 #62
One set treestar Mar 2021 #66
The family religious wars of my childhood were brutal. hunter Mar 2021 #75
Whoah treestar Mar 2021 #76
My dad's parents ellie Mar 2021 #71
Grandfather on my mother's side. Tracer Mar 2021 #73

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
1. On one side of my family -
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 04:35 PM
Mar 2021

arrived in US before the Great German Migration. They took advantage of the 1862 Homestead Act. The Farm Bill always provides assistance. I now own some of that free land. Naturally these ancestors hate FDR and all Democrats. Go figure...

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
29. The 1862 Homestead Act basically invented the American middle class
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:33 PM
Mar 2021

Except for the obvious racially slanted, anti-Indian bias of just giving away millions of acres of Indian lands to settlers, it also represented a radical redistribution of wealth to working families. The big railroad and shipping corporations eventually got their cut by having several generations of reliable export grain providers and dependent customers. Once the railroad monopolies came under public regulation during the Progressive era, it really became possible for a stable class of family farms to remain prosperous (until the era of large farm corporation hegemony came along in the 1950s & 60s). Again, making allowances for share croppers and other obvious racial injustice, the Homestead Act was as much a boon to the middle class as was the New Deal & Fair Deal in the 30s & 40s and the move to professionalism in different industries in the 1890s.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
35. What is amazing to me is that almost no one knows
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 07:03 PM
Mar 2021

about the Homestead Act. I like to tell them that if not for the Act they would not be here. Usually they respond by telling me they are going to go home and ask their parents. I usually tell them they won't know either and they should just look it up.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
43. I've often wondered whether the Homestead Act is what made the huge
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 07:57 PM
Mar 2021

Difference between life in the US snd life in South America. For a while, egalitarianism ruled.

Polybius

(15,506 posts)
72. I'm surprised that any major bills passed at that time
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:25 PM
Mar 2021

Must have been scary to even show up for work during the Civil War.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
74. Even in 1862, people were expecting the Civil War to be over within a year
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:21 PM
Mar 2021

Besides, the Republican were swept into power in 1860. It wasn't just a 40% popular vote victory for Lincoln.

Republicans were the spiritual descendants of the Whigs, and were philosophically committed to internal improvements. That meant railroads, canals, industrial expansion, and high tariffs that would insulate the growing manufacturing base from cheap European imports.

They absolutely had to promote economic development; it was the reason for them existing. Once half the Democrats left Congress for the "Secesh", they had full spectrum dominance of the country's politics. Plus, with the war going so badly in 1862, they needed to have something to show the voters for why they should be kept in power at the midterms.

They were the pro-government activists and the Democrats were still the Jefferson style laisez faire party.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
3. I recently got some more information on my Great Grandfather from Ireland
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 04:48 PM
Mar 2021

Edward Joseph Kendrick, born 1851, came to America, settled in Pennsylvania in 1866, age 15





He came over on the Clara Wheeler




Great Grandpa Kendrick's family. He is the one in the center front row. My grandfather is in the 2nd row, 2nd from the left. I have no idea how they could afford such beautiful clothes. I asked my cousin Ed, who had the original pictures, what Great Grandpa Kendrick did for a living and he didn't even know. Ed and his father, Uncle Ted and my grandfather Merritt Irwin Kendrick have a farm in Illinois.








KENDRICK FAMILY

Samuel George Kendrick, with his brother, Tom, and his wife, Anna Jacob, natives of Ireland, immigrated to America in the winter of 1848, landing in New Orleans. Four years later, they came to Pike County and settled in Derry Township on eighty acres of land. Thomas later settled in the state of Washington where his family was raised. Samuel encouraged his brother, William, to also come to America. So in 1866, William and Maria (Heffron) Kendrick and their six children: Edward Joseph, John (Jack), Belle, Jane, Mary and Kate took passage on a sailing vessel bound for America and after five weeks and three days on the ocean landed at Castle Garden, New York.

A bad storm on the ocean caused the ship to lose about two weeks sailing time. The masts on it were all torn down during the storm. They had booked passage on a larger boat, but it was already filled up and they were not allowed to board it, but were put on a smaller one. The big boat was caught in the same storm and never heard of again. So only a trick of fate placed them on the sailing vessel, Clara Wheeler, and granted them a safe landing in America. They stopped in Ohio for a few weeks to visit relatives before coming to Pike County. After a period of three years, William passed away in 1869. His widow afterwards married Joseph McFarland and her death occurred in March 1902.

The two boys, Edward and John (Jack), worked several years for their uncle, Samuel Kendrick, before coming to New Canton where they later established homes. Edward Joseph Kendrick was born in Kildare County, Ireland, April 3, 1851 and passed away October 17, 1935. On January 9, 1879 Mr. Kendrick was married to babel McFarland, daughter of George and Irene Gage McFarland. To this union were born fourteen children: John T., George, Edward, Irene, Ellis, Everett, Mary, Logan, Dora, Earl, Dewey, Merritt, Effie, and Bessie Mildred. John (Jack) Kendrick was born in Kildare County, Ireland on June 24, 1855 and passed away January 16, 1946. On August 15, 1877 he was married to Mary Wheelan, daughter of James and Isabelle Brown Wheelan. To this union were born ten children: William, James, Isabelle, Charles, Harry, Katherine, Samuel, Mary, Eliza, and John L. Both Mr. Kendricks were staunch Republicans and had always been very interested in local politics.



======================

There was a lot of big problems brewing in the timeframe my Great Grandfather left Ireland.


http://www.maggieblanck.com/Mayopages/LandIssues.html

Clash Between Tenants and Police, County Mayo, November 1881

At Garkill, a hamlet near Belmullet on the north-west coast of Co, Mayo, there was a confrontation between local inhabitants and the police on October 28, 1881.





THE ILLUSTRATED LONDON NEWS Nov. 12, 1881

Grawkill "perched on the side of a mountain overlooking the Atlantic" consisted of "about a dozen houses of the meanest and poorest class". A process server accompanied by about 60 police was about to serve "summonses for the rates."

"The people of the neighborhood, seeing the police approaching, gathered to the number of about three hundred. When the police were ascending the mountain path that leads to the village, they were assaulted by the crowd, from the heights above, with showers of stones. The police charged them up the hill several times but they returned to the assault. The sub-inspector in command at length gave the order to fire, which was obeyed, and some of the shots took effect, but even after some of the rioters were wounded, they did not retire. Twenty-four shots were fired. An elderly woman who received a wound in the throat and a charge of buckshot in the chest, is dead, and a young woman who received a bullet on the left side. Many others were less seriously wounded. Several of the police were injured. More than twenty persons were arrested and sent to Castlebar Jail."

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
54. Wonderful. Especially appreciate the pics.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 09:20 PM
Mar 2021

You've slightly anticipated where I'm going next with this.

Chellee

(2,102 posts)
60. Do you happen to know what year the third picture is taken?
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 04:15 AM
Mar 2021

The woman seated on the far right is wearing the most fabulous dress, (although, it might be a sweater set, it looks knitted rather than woven and I think I can see a hem on the right side of her waist.) The pattern, the collar and hem detail is amazing. I'm trying to find something similar, and a specific year might narrow down the search.

You have/had very stylish relatives.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
63. Hi, I did some calculations
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:09 AM
Mar 2021


I think the one on the far right may be the youngest and she was born 1908. She would be age 17. So I would guess this picture was taken around 1925 to 1927 or so.

My great grandfather would be age 74 and my grandfather would be age 25, if this was 1925.

Also it occurred to me that maybe they took this portrait when they all gathered for my great grandmother's funeral when she died in 1922, but then the youngest would have been age 14. And I cannot see a 14 year old wearing such adult clothes.

Chellee

(2,102 posts)
67. Thank you!
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:58 AM
Mar 2021

Its a great picture. I agree that a 14 year old wouldn't have worn that, I doubt they would have let her style her hair in such a grown up fashion either. She is the most fashion forward of the group, and that fits with her being late teens/early 20's. Although, the lady second from the left is wearing fantastic shoes. The second from the right also has good shoes, they all have good shoes, honestly. I'm biased though, because I love shoes from the 20s/30s/40s.

Thanks again, I was searching early 1930s, so taking it back a couple of years will help.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
70. Also regarding the young one on the right
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:09 PM
Mar 2021

My guess is she has very thick curly red hair which runs in the family. So she might have just cut it short for it to be that way without being styled.

Thunderbeast

(3,424 posts)
4. My paternal grandparents left Russia in 1903.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 04:54 PM
Mar 2021

They were escaping pogroms, poverty, and the draft. They settled in Brooklyn and raised six children.

I never met them. My father spoke very little about them or his heritage. It is only in recent years that the descendant cousins began to piece together their story.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
6. Like my family, there's this whole Slavic curse that seems to come down in the dna
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 04:57 PM
Mar 2021

“If they find you, they will kill you” is sort of the unspoken understanding. It’s a big part of why my siblings and I don’t know a whole lot about the family history.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
22. Thank you for responding.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:58 PM
Mar 2021

I am ashamed to say that I only recently learned of the Pale of Settlement. Because of the pandemic I have been watching more tv and that includes Finding Your Roots (Ancestry).

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
5. Well this shows how little I know about my own family
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 04:55 PM
Mar 2021

Mom’s father was an architect who died young due to heart problems from earlier rheumatic fever. Mom’s mom worked for the ny board of education and rented rooms to lodgers (mostly Polish people).

Mom’s grandmother lived in the cellar of that house with her husband who worked at a bottling plant and their dog Trixie. She (my great grandmother or “Babci in the cellar” as we called her) was Polish, he was Russian, which was awkward as she hated Russians but married him to spite the mayor’s daughter in a small town in Poland she was from who was bragging about her plans to marry this soldier who was marching through. (If my great grandmother hated you, you were a red Russian; if she really hated you, you were a White Russian— or vice versa, memory fades). She’s the one who brought the family to America sometime around WWI. Not sure how they got that house (4 stories, made into several apartments with their own kitchens and stuff during the war) but I know at one point she ran a candy store in part of the house and made bathtub gin during prohibition.

Dad’s mom and dad ran a neighborhood market with a butcher shop and deli just down the street from my other grandmother. It was part of the house. They’ve both passed now, but my uncle still runs it and lives there.

Polish Catholics on both sides. Politics? New Yorkers who thought all politicians are crooks. Mom’s mom loved unions though.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
65. My grandmother had rheumatic fever as a child
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:17 AM
Mar 2021

she did recover, but mother panicked when we got strep throat (which is what leads to it, if I recall correctly).

PortTack

(32,803 posts)
7. My great grandmother came to join her husband from Dublin in the mid late 1800s
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 04:59 PM
Mar 2021

My grandmother in tow. Mid Atlantic the captain came round and told everyone that the ship was taking on water and prepare to die. As a stroke of fate would have it, an empty cargo ship going towards Dublin rescued them all. Word went to America that the ship sank leaving my great grandfather to think his wife and child had perished. Much to his surprise (I can only imagine) when a letter came 6 wks later that they were okay.

My father’s family were homesteaders following the war of 1812.

CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
8. Mine were immigrants
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:04 PM
Mar 2021

Paternal side were both born in Sicily. My grandfather first settled in Trenton, then found work in coal mines in Pennsylvania. Nobody liked that so the move to Chicago, My grandmother on that side first went to New York City in Little Italy, but her father died, and her mother remarried, and they too went to Pennsylvania for a short time. That family also moved on to Chicago and they were married in 1909. My grandfather was a landscaper.

On my mother's side, both were first generation American born of Prussian immigrants, one German, one Polish. They were born in Milwaukee, married and resided there. My maternal grandmother was a seamstress and one of the founders if the International Ladies Garment Workers Milwaukee local, My paternal grandfather was a truck driver.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
31. Go Union!!
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:40 PM
Mar 2021

So much American strength comes out of that pipeline from north-central Europe to the Great Lakes iron belt.

CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
41. Yes, Grandma Nell was a force of nature.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 07:49 PM
Mar 2021

When she died there was a box of newspaper clippings about her Union doings and members. Even their obits!

cate94

(2,814 posts)
9. Okay...
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:23 PM
Mar 2021

I don’t know much about my dad’s father. Little bits and pieces. He started a screening business with his brother when they were young. The brother was not so good at it. My grandpa invented a few small things. He went to work as an executive in a Chicago steel mill. It went belly up in the depression and he died a short time later.
My dad’s mom was 100% Irish. She talked about her dad all the time. (My great grandpa was direct from Ireland, was in the Civil War at age 14. Was a Chicago cop and during the Chicago fire he rescued a number of people.) Grandma played the piano for silent movies. She wanted us to know, and remember how the Irish were hated when they came here. The message was to always treat others with respect, regardless of where they came from.
They raised my dad and his sibs in the Chicago suburbs.

My grandfather on my mom’s side was also the son of Irish immigrants. They had a store on the south side of Chicago. Grandpa went to law school. He.was very successful corporate attorney. He died before I was born.
My grandma on mom’s side grew up in a Chicago suburb. Her parents were Irish immigrants. He worked as a bartender in Chicago, her mother as a seamstress. The kids lived at their Uncles farm My grandma would pick her parents up from the train station in a horse drawn wagon every week end.
Ultimately, she went to secretarial school and met her husband at the office. They lived a very happy life in the Chicago suburbs, where they raised their kids. They frequently travelled overseas for Grandpa’s work. Grandma was a staunch Democrat until Reagan. She had met Nancy on a cruise when Nancy was an unmarried young woman. ‘She was a very nice girl”. I think that was what flipped her.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
32. wonderful
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:43 PM
Mar 2021

Beautiful story. Thanks.

I'm thinking office romances may be an untold trope of American history.

hauckeye

(636 posts)
10. Czech on dad's side
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:24 PM
Mar 2021

Grandpa came in 1889 at age 7. Grandma in Bohemia told a friend going to America, “let me know if you meet any good looking men”. Friend connected the two and they wrote, and in 1926 he went there to marry her. 17 year age difference. They lived in eastern Iowa the rest of their lives.

FakeNoose

(32,791 posts)
11. In my family the immigration happened 4 generations back
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:25 PM
Mar 2021

Most of my great-great grandparents were born in Germany or Ireland (one was from Norway) and they came over in the 1850's & 60's. The ancestors settled in Saint Louis, MO and parts of Wisconsin as young adults and met and married their spouses after the Civil War. My Dad's family is the Saint Louis group, my Mom's family is the Wisconsin group, but she eventually came with her parents to Saint Louis also.

So everyone after that was born in the USA, with the one exception of my Grandmother's father who came over from Northern Ireland as a young man around 1890. When I was born in 1951 (in Saint Louis) all 4 of my great-grandmothers were living, as well as my 4 grandparents who were still in their 50's. I was lucky to grow up knowing my grandparents for several years before they passed away.

I think it's a wonderful experience for children to know their grandparents and great-grandparents because it adds a lot of perspective to our later years with our own kids and grandchildren.

nuxvomica

(12,449 posts)
12. Three were immigrants
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:28 PM
Mar 2021

My maternal grandfather's family had long resided in Lake Luzerne, NY. He grew up on a farm and somehow met and fell in love with a French-Canadian woman, my grandma, and converted to Catholicism, which ruined his friendship with the local Klan leader. He fought at the Mexican border in WWI and returned to the area, getting a job as a public bus driver in Glens Falls, and the two raised a family in a small rented house that he later purchased for about a grand. He is the only one of my grandparents I remember and we often went fishing together. When my father was dying in 2006, an elderly local woman brought a cake every week to the house. My parents knew her fairly well but they weren't close (I went to school with her kids) but one time I remarked how kind she was to bring the cakes and she said it was her way of paying back. She was from some other part of the country and when she was in her twenties made the move to Glens Falls all by herself. Alone and scared, she caught the attention of a bus driver, my grampy, who showed her around town and helped her get settled.

My father's parents were married in Sicily but came to Ellis Island on separate voyages. My grandfather found work and then sent for my grandma. He served in WWI, but I don't known where, and got his citizenship for it. They had many children and so many died in childbirth that they reused the names for later children that survived. When one of their sons was very sick, a doctor convinced them that they should go back to Sicily if they wanted him to survive as the climate would be healthier for him. This was before 1920. They returned to Sicily and the child died, so they decided to once again make the ocean voyage back to the states, my grandmother saying about Sicily, "I never want to see this place again." My grandfather found work in local paper mill and saved enough money to set up a shoe-repair shop, as he had been trained in shoe-making in the old country. They lived in an Italian section of Fort Edward, NY, called the "Y" and he would open the shop at night to teach his neighbors English. He is listed in the 1940 Census as "laborer" but my father had always said he was probably the smartest guy he ever knew and had always wanted to study law but never had the means. My grandparents were Republicans until FDR came along. They liked his ideas and suspected that the middle name "Delano" indicated some Italian ancestry.

no_hypocrisy

(46,215 posts)
13. OK, fasten your seatbelts.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:31 PM
Mar 2021

My father's mother immigrated from Lithuania to Pennsylvania when she was under 15. By 15, she was working at a cigar factory in 1895. In 1902, her father died. In 1903, her mother died. She was living with her married brother, SIL, and their baby. SIL was pregnant with second child and it was decided that my GM had to live somewhere else. But she was unmarried.

Her brother found a peddler who was engaged to another woman for 3-1/2 years. Her brother made a deal: if the peddler married his sister, he would be made a partner in the brother's growing mercantile business. The peddler didn't even tell his fiancee. She and her brother found out by reading about the marriage the day of the wedding in the newspaper under marriage registrations. And my grandmother didn't want to get married to him. But the wedding happened.

Aftermath: My GM's brother reneged on the promise of partnership. In the meantime, the ex-fiancee and her brother sued my GF for breach of promise to the tune of $10,000 (1904) which is about $465,000 today. My GM's brother must have paid some kind of settlement b/c of the scandal which would have washed back on him and his business. To my knowledge, the jilted fiancee never married. Her brother committed suicide in the gentlemen's room of the department store belonging to my GM's brother.

My GF was a virtual failure in retail clothing, although his gambling didn't help things. If my father was the product of such family history, it certain explains the dysfunction I encountered in my youth.

I found out all this via www.newspapers.com mostly. This is the brief rendition of the story.

Biophilic

(3,704 posts)
14. An interesting history thanks to my great aunt.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:32 PM
Mar 2021

Once upon a time the 4 younger brothers of an English baron were told to take a ship to the New World curtesy of their eldest brother the baron. They were smart enough to take him up and arrived here in 1623. That side of family managed to fight on just about every side of every war including a Confederate spy in D.C. My grandfather was a young physician in Pittsburg in 1918 and died from the flu that year. My grandmother was left with 11 month old twins and a 9 year old daughter. She returned to her home town in the Allegany mountains and eventually, after her children were through high school married her long time boyfriend. She was an extraordinary woman.

My mother's family history is a bit of a mystery and a bit of a morality play. My nominal grand mother was working on her advanced degree in English history and ended up marrying her professor. They were unable to have children until one day, quite literally, he returned home with a new born baby girl and said she was the child of one of his graduate students and they were adopting her. From baby pictures of both my mother and grandfather it is pretty apparent that they were closely related. My grandfather went on to become the Dean of Education of a prestigious school. Life is interesting sometimes. My grandfather was very religious and strict. He was good friends with the author of the book The Robe. Hmmm. Life is so interesting when one knows the details.

I'm sorry I never got to know my father's father. From stories told by my aunt, who was 9 when he died, he was quite wonderful. For better or worse I knew my mother's father much better. Didn't like him a bit long before I knew the history. I just remember his as a bit of a pompous jerk who didn't like laughter.

Archae

(46,356 posts)
16. My own grandparents...
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:38 PM
Mar 2021

My Dad's relatives were "Volga Germans" (Germans invited by the Russian Czar to farm the Volga river valley in the 1800's,) but things got crazy in Russia and by 1912 my Great-Grandfather, a Lutheran minister, and his son, emigrated to the US in 1912.
My Great-Grandfather outlived his son, (in fact he lived to be 102, and I met him several times, never met my Dad's parents,) the son had a big family, including my Dad, the youngest son.

My Mom's parents were born in northern WI, and my Mom was born and raised up there too.
They were Dutch, Danish, Swedish and Irish.
My Grandfather died in 1966, and my Grandmother lived until 1989 by herself, in a duplex along with her son-in-law's Mother.
My Grandparents had a big family too, of which my Mom was a younger daughter.

My Mom met my Dad getting a ride home from her secretary job.

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
17. My paternal grandfather was the son of
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:40 PM
Mar 2021

a prominent Baltimore businessman who emigrated to that city from Bavaria in 1852. I'll just say that 100 years ago, anyone in Baltimore would recognize the name by the product they manufactured.

My paternal grandmother was descended from one of the first ten families to settle Baltimore in the 1600s. By the time my dad was born, the family's wealth was far in the past. They were modest farmers on the rural outskirts of Baltimore.

My mother's parents were also descended from German and British immigrants in Baltimore. They had been there for several generations. My grandfather was a very prominent man in the Knights of Columbus, and there is still a scholarship named after him. He worked for the Glenn L. Martin company as a bookkeeper. His wife's family is a bit more mysterious, and strange things turn up when you study her genealogy, such as a woman I called aunt was actually her sister. Too many people are dead to find out the details.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
18. I have six. I only met one.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:45 PM
Mar 2021

I say six because my mother and her sisters, like many tens or even hundreds of thousands of children of that era, were given up for adoption as toddlers. So I have my maternal grandmother and grandfather, as well as my moms adopted parents, who gave her her last name, to add to the number which everyone is entitled!

I only ever met her adopted mother, as her husband passed away before I was born, as did both my fathers parents. My moms birth parents also passed away well before I was born.

I remember the day my mom told me “Gramma” died. I was 4, I think. It was the very moment I realized and contemplated my own mortality. If Gramma could die, that meant I would someday as well.

So if you are lucky enough to have lived to adulthood with a grandparent, call them NOW.

I had only one I knew of for maybe 2 years.


I am working on gathering as many photos of them all as I can and trying to piece together a history myself. My mothers only surviving sister passed away late last year, and my mom left us in 2014 so they are all gone now.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
19. On my mother's side, my grandfather was a history professor that went west from N.Y. for the
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:49 PM
Mar 2021

Alaskan Gold Rush. He made it as far as Spokane where he married one of his students,
a half Crow woman from Lodge Grass, Montana. He taught at Eastern Washington U for fifty years
and has a building there named for him. On my dad's side my grandfather was a foreman at the
Kennecott Copper mines in McGill, Nevada and grandmother was first generation Irish from
County Cork. All Westerners, as were myself and brother (S.F.).
Back when, EWU was called Cheney Normal School.

lpbk2713

(42,769 posts)
21. All four came through Ellis Island around 1900.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 05:55 PM
Mar 2021


Paternal grandparents from Ireland. Maternal grandparents from Scotland.

dsc

(52,169 posts)
23. On my mom's side
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:00 PM
Mar 2021

her parents were a man who rose from mill worker to foreman of an entire plant of US Steel and a woman played for the state runner up girls basketball team, had married badly enough she was able to get a divorce in PA in the 1940's, and married the man she considered her father. On my dad's side his father was an orphan who became a pharmacist and store owner while his wife was the first woman to go to her college, she had the highest grade average in math for her district, applied to the school, was mistaken for being male so got a scholarship to pay for college. She had an escort with her in her classes. She later was the manager of his store and was an executive secretary for the mayor of her city after her husband had died and she sold his business. She eventually moved to Florida and remarried. All four are dead, I only met my dad's dad when I was a baby he died when I was around 1, my mom's mom died when I was in middle school, my mom's dad when I was a senior in high school, and my dad's mom 8 years ago at the age of 97.

I also had an uncle (my dad's brother) who was a literal genius and openly gay in the 1950's as a high school student. He also became an alcoholic and drug addict and died very young (before AIDS so not of that). I met him when I was very young but have no memories of him.

tavernier

(12,409 posts)
24. My grandparents, as their ancestors before them, came from Latvia
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:08 PM
Mar 2021

as far back as anyone remembers. My grandfather was a tanner and had a business in the town square in Tukums, Latvia. He spent several years in Siberia as a younger man, as the Russians always got their jollies ripping apart families to send any Latvian male within fighting age to Siberia where many would die. During WWII, my grandparents were forced to flee from their home with my mother, age 18. They ended up in a DP camp where I was born. (Mom had met my dad, also Latvian, by that time.)
My uncle, mom’s brother was a school principal, so the Russians sent him and all the educated Latvians to Siberia in cattle trains. My grandparents never saw him again. My mother did locate his whereabouts years later and they remained in touch.

I never met my father’s parents because they remained in Jelgava, Latvia with their young daughter. My father and his brother had been conscripted into the German army and ended up in America. My dad did see his mother once before she died because he was able to get special permission to return for a visit. My grandfather was an accountant and my grandmother was an actress.

Millions of tears and many broken hearts were caused by that war.

róisín_dubh

(11,797 posts)
25. My grandparents...damn I miss them
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:14 PM
Mar 2021

My paternal grandfather I never met. He was a sergeant in the army, born of Irish immigrant parents in the Bronx. He once went out bowling with his mates and overindulged a bit...ending up sleeping on the train to the end of the line. He died in 1971 of a massive heart attack. He was only 48. His youngest sister, a Franciscan nun who was a nurse, passed away this past Saturday at age 93.

My paternal grandmother was one of a kind. She too was born of Irish immigrant parents, and raised in the Bronx. She got a degree in nursing and and then a Masters degree in nursing as well, and was a school nurse for many years. She and my granddad moved to New Jersey in 1965, and I grew up in the house they bought. My parents had the garage converted to an apartment for her, and I got to grow up with her caring for me. She had the patience of a saint: my earliest memories are of sitting on her kitchen floor with every pot, pan, and spice jar "cooking" with her. She would let me comb her hair while we watched Kojak or Golden Girls. We went to mass every Sunday and then she took me for donuts or breakfast. She was one of a very proud neighbourhood of Irish Republicans; she'd probably be mortified I'm living in England I was devastated when she moved after my parents separated (even though she only moved 2 miles away). She supported me in everything I did. She believed in the separation of Church and State, despite being a super devout Catholic. She was always there for her kids and grandkids. I miss her every day.

My mom's parents were born of Italian immigrants. My grandpa played baseball and had a tryout with the Yankees...and then blew out his knee in the Navy during WWII. He worked hard his whole life, coming from pretty much nothing at all, and raised 5 kids and got to travel around the world. He was one of my biggest supporters. I was devastated when he died in 2012.z
Now my maternal grandma was a force of nature. Her father survived the Messina earthquake in 1907 that killed his parents and 6 siblings. So he migrated to the US, became friends with Al Capone, but stayed in New York where he met my grand-grandma. In the '20s, they ran a speakeasy in NYC and in Philly, which was pretty rad. Anyway, my grandma was their middle child. She was a diminutive lady with a sharp with and sharp tongue. She didn't take shit from anyone. When I was a kid, we'd have "cooking camp" so my parents could get away from my sisters and I. I learned to make so many things from scratch. She got Lewi-Body dementia. That was horrendous and I am sad to think of how she suffered mentally in her final years.

MOMFUDSKI

(5,696 posts)
26. Grandma Frances on Mom's side
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:16 PM
Mar 2021

was French and don't know if she was born here or not. She laughed a lot. And made fried donuts rolled in powdered sugar when they lived with us for awhile. Grandpa Anton was German and my mom remembers a little old man (could have been his dad) sitting in a chair wearing a yamalke (spelling?) so who knows? My Dad's Mom's side was Irish as they come. Some cousins traced us back to Ireland and got a plaque but I was too young to have interest. McManus was the name. Many kids in the family who were all dying out before I turned 12. Fun-loving, hard-drinking, laughing all the time. Great folks. Grandpa Louis was German and had an upholstery biz. He lost his wife in the 1918 pandemic which left him with 4 young kids. Did see him in a census online once.

If there is a heaven I want to meet ALL of my forebears and sit down and have a long talk with each.

RustyWheels

(123 posts)
27. Minnesota & Iowa
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:24 PM
Mar 2021

Father's parents from small town in Southern Minnesota (both of English decent)
Mother's parents from small town in Central Iowa (one English one German )

My Father's 8th Great Grandfather on his father's side came from England in 1639 ( tail-end of the "Great Migration" )

Family history traced back to 839 in Cranfeild, Bedfordshire, England. Nearly 1,200 years and over 1,600 names listed on the family tree my father started, and my sister and I have continued since his passing in 2009.

At least one relative has fought in every major war ( Revolution - Afghanistan )

- 9 Great Grandfathers/Uncles veterans of Revolutionary War ( 1 fought at battle of Saratoga )
- 10 Great Grandfathers/Uncles veterans of Civil War ( Union - 1 fought at Gettysburg with famous MN 1st )

My wife was born in Cuba, making my daughters 1st generation Americans on her side ( 11th generation on mine ).

Wicked Blue

(5,857 posts)
28. I only met one of them, my mother's mother who died when I was 2
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:25 PM
Mar 2021

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My two grandfathers were both alive when I was very young, but both died overseas, behind the Iron Curtain. My father's mother died back in the 1940s, also in Estonia.

My father's father was a surgeon on the Valga-to-Riga railroad in Estonia, tending to railroad workers injured on the job. During WW1 he was a military medic, and my grandmother was a nurse. She tended to injured railroad workers as well. My grandfather knew a lot about herbal medicine, according to my Estonian cousin, who knew him as a child. My cousin said local people often came to him for medicines and treatment.

My mother's father was the rebellious son of a Russian Orthodox priest and university professor of theology. This grandfather obediently got his law degree, but then went to forestry school and became a forest warden. He continued his rebellion by marrying my grandmother, who was Lutheran. She eventually became a suffragette, going to demonstrations to get Estonian women the right to vote. My grandfather hated this and used to drag her home from them.

She reportedly was a spectacular cook and very skilled in knitting, sewing, lace making and crocheting. She fled Estonia with my mother and they ended up in an Allied displaced persons camp in Germany. My grandfather was unable to escape and stayed there. My parents met at the DP camp and married in 1947. It took them until 1949 to find a sponsor in the U.S. and immigrate, along with my grandmother. I have no memory of her. She died of cancer in 1954, just before my younger brother was born.

Danmel

(4,931 posts)
30. My father's parents were murdered in Auschwitz
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:33 PM
Mar 2021

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Along with his sister. My dad survived 5 years in concentration camps, and immigrated to Brooklyn, New York in 1949.
My mother's parents were Jewish immigrants from Belarus/Ukraine. They were unable to come to the United States because of immigration quotas so they went to Mexico where my grandfather's sister lived. My mother was born in Mexico City. When she was a young child, they immigrated to the United States through the Port of Laredo, first settling in Tennessee before moving to Brooklyn.
Her mother died when she was just a little girl and my grandfather remarried a woman I called my Bubbe and who may have smiled 3 times in my conscious memory of her. She died when I was 17. My grandparents had another girl, my Aunt Dorothy, who was very much the favorite. My grandfather worked as a reupholsterer and furniture repair man. They really didn't have much money especially during the depression. I have some good memories of visiting them during the 1964 World's Fair and going to Radio.City and riding the Circle Line.
After my grandmother died, my grandfather remarried one last time. He died in 1987 at 89 years old.
I have always felt the absence of my dad's parents. I didn't have mushy spoil the grandkids grandparents. They all had hard lives of loss and deprivation and I think until the day they died they were waiting for the other shoe to drop.
My parents, on the other hand loved spoiling my kids. They really wanted them to be surrounded with love.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
33. This is such a powerful thread. A friend on FB started one like this, so I'm copying him.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:49 PM
Mar 2021

Thanks to all (so far) for sharing your stories.


and in the words of Oliver Twist: "MORE PLEASE!"

mopinko

(70,261 posts)
34. 2 grandparents came here in steerage, famine refugees from ireland.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 06:58 PM
Mar 2021

the other 2 were here for a few generations. i didnt get to know any of them. both grandads were gone before i was born, mom's mom a couple years later. my da's mom died when i was 6 or so, but i barely knew her.

my older siblings were very close to my mom's folks. they lived close together til we moved out to the burbs. big chunk of my da's family was in the same hood.

my da's family owned hardware stores in delavan, wi, then in chicago.
my ggramps was a blacksmith, and when he died when my gramps was 14 he tried to keep the shop open. ultimately couldnt but did make a good living as a ferrier.
my grandma doted on her 2 kids. my mom was so spoiled. she was 27 when she got married and she couldnt really cook. mom lost her brother when he was only 40, a year after my grandpa passed. pretty much killed her.

i am as irish as irish gets.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
37. My father's father was the son of a Welsh immigrant
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 07:16 PM
Mar 2021

Who managed to send both his sons to college. My grandfather was an engineer, graduated from the Michigan School of Mines (now Michigan Tech). He was a civil engineer in New Orleans before WW I, then enlisted in what became the Army Corps of Engineers and got to France just as the war was ending. Mostly he helped rebuild roads that had been destroyed by the Germans. He worked in Detroit for a while and then was hired by Swift & Co. to manage a phosphate mine in 1925. He worked as a phosphate mining engineer, managing the Swift & Co. mines in Polk County, Florida for his career. He died when I was young so I never got to know him very well.

His wife, my grandmother, was unusual in that her grandfather left money for all his grandchildren to attend college, both boys and girls. Grandmother graduated from the University of Michigan in 1911, married a football hero who also graduated from there (as a lawyer). Her family could trace back to Mayflower passengers and she had a lot of pride in her ancestry. Her first husband "treated her badly" and she left him to support herself as a nanny and teacher. She got her divorce in 1916 and worked as a teacher in Detroit. She may have known my grandfather before they met up in Detroit since they both grew up in Escabana, Michigan and graduated from the same high school. They married in 1921, had two sons, Dad in 1923 and my uncle in 1924. She was very active in the Daughters of the American Revolution and held many offices in the organization. Unfortunately the speeches she gave that we have copies of could have been given by the former occupant of the Oval Office. I never got along with that grandmother since she disapproved of my dislike for dressing up and was never a "proper" girl.

Mom's entire family was from Central Alabama - they had all moved there by 1834. Her father was a carpenter who mostly built barns and farm structures. His father had built the church he preached at. Mom's mother was a housewife and when I knew her, did all the things you'd expect of a farm wife. She died when I was only eight, so I don't remember much about her. What I do know is more about Mom's parents' ancestors - lots of preachers, including the Baptist Preacher that was responsible for the Alabama Baptist Convention which preceded the Southern Baptist Convention. Mom was not happy with the Baptist - after she married Dad she converted to the Presbyterian Church and was basically disowned by her brother, a Baptist preacher. She was never tempted to return to the church she was raised in.

I don't know much about the politics of my grandparents - I remember during desegregation, my father's mother's friends and relatives complaining about how backwards Southerners were - but there was just as much segregation in the North so I never understood how they could only complain about the South. And they were not liberal Northerners that wanted to help blacks - they worried about having to pay their "help" more.

Mom kept us away from her Alabama relatives, especially during and after segregation. I suspect their politics were so extreme Mom didn't want us exposed to them. While Mom was not liberal, she stood up for keeping us in public school during desegregation. My cousins went to private all white church schools to "protect" them. Dad wanted to, but our church didn't start one and Mom objected anyway. She said we would have to live with all kinds of people in our lives so we might as well learn to deal with people while in school.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
51. Interesting that your mom had an eye on history
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 08:31 PM
Mar 2021

and wanted you to be able to deal with all types of people. Very admirable

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
52. Yes, in her later years she worked with the local history association
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 08:54 PM
Mar 2021

And was editor of their quarterly. She made sure to include the history of all who lived in Polk County, Florida. She also helped the people who were trying to get a historic black home on the National Register - which it is now - and get it set up as a museum of black history in Bartow, Florida. http://www.lbbrown.com/

When Mom & Dad were clearing out the house I grew up in, my sister found the receipt from when Dad bought his big safe - from that funeral home. Mom & Dad donated the safe to the museum, where it sits today.

Response to csziggy (Reply #37)

ProfessorGAC

(65,227 posts)
38. First, Cool Idea Bucky
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 07:17 PM
Mar 2021

Enjoying reading all these.
Here's mine.
Mom's Side:
My grandfather was born here. Late 1890s, first generation American.
My grandmother can here with her family sometime before WW1. I think she was around 10 years old. (Not sure the exact year.)
They got married during WW1. My grandfather did not get drafted for the war because he worked at a furnace manufacturing company that converted to building trench & tent heaters for the troops.
My mom was the 6h of 8 kids, with one dying as a young child. My grandma was a photocopier for a while. She died at 59 when I was 2 or 3 years old.
Dad's Side:
My grandfather was Sicilian. He was a brakeman on the railroad. Took the ferry to Reggio every Monday, did freight trains south to north & back. Took ferry back Friday evening.
My grandmother was from Panateria, which is a "suburb" of Reggio. They owned a little restaurant near the piers.
That's how they met.
As Mussolini got more ruthless, Sicilians were being purged from government jobs. Even though he was just a brakeman, dad's dad felt it was a matter of time before he'd get the ax.
My grandma's brother already lived in Chicago, working as a barber. He knew someone from the Rock Island RR. Fireman, or coal shoveler. Lower level job, but a job.
So, they moved to the US, around 1926. My aunt was born in '28 & my dad in '31. That grandma died when I was 4 or 5.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,476 posts)
39. My grandfather was the illegitimate son of
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 07:36 PM
Mar 2021

The son of a wealthy Texas rancher and miner. My great grandmother was mestizo, daughter of a Spanish Criollo and a native Mexican woman, but I do not know the tribe, but likely Chichimeca or Otomi.

He got her pregnant and left her on her own. The great white businessman did nothing for her or his child.

The family moved about from town to town eeking out a living. He later changed his name as he had a very light complexion and passed for Anglo (I guess he was 3/4 Anglo) He married a French woman and they had my father.

I was able to verify the crazy story through DNA tests.

hunter

(38,334 posts)
40. My grandparents were all wild things in their youth.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 07:39 PM
Mar 2021

One of my grandmas and her sister didn't appreciate their family's California dairy businesses and ran wild in Hollywood during the roaring 'twenties. This grandma married a handsome Army Air Corp officer.

At sixteen this grandpa decided he didn't want to be a miner or a rancher so he ran away to, what was in his young mind, the "big city" of Cheyenne, Wyoming. The city didn't live up to his expectations so he joined the Army hoping to see more of the world. That got him to Southern California where he met my grandmother.

My other grandparents were born on neighboring ranches in Mormon country. They didn't want to be ranchers, and they didn't like their Mormon neighbors or the church, so they came to California at the start of World War II and got jobs as welders in the shipyards.

My great grandmas were all hard, hard women of the Wild West, handy with guns and knives. They owned property in their own names.

Their husbands were dreamers.

Our family remains strongly matriarchal. Women don't take any shit from the men.

My last immigrant ancestor was a mail order bride to Salt Lake City from Scandinavia. The Mormons paid her passage. She didn't like sharing a husband so she ran off with a monogamous guy and established a homestead, which was what the U.S. government was encouraging non-Mormons to do at the time. I suspect all her descendants are blacklisted from Mormon heaven until someone pays the debt.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
42. I'm mixed. Shanty Irish and Lace Curtain Irish
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 07:53 PM
Mar 2021

Urban Irish Catholic both sides.

Dad’s side - blue collar. My grandfather was a Union printer in Detroit. Born in Montreal. Strong Union. WWI combat veteran in Canadian army. Blackout drinker. Strong FDR. my Gm more well read, excessive pro-FDR. Never got citizenship until after WWII but we suspect that she may have voted anyway. She cried the day FDR died.

Mom’s side - white collar but no college. Michigan Republican types but my great grandfather was strong Democrat - irish immigrant.

Parents flipped on their parents. My dad became a Republican and upset his parents. Came back to his senses with Reagan. My mom became a socialist Democrat, liberation theologist, read the Catholic Worker and Mother Jones.

jumptheshadow

(3,269 posts)
49. Both grandfathers were Irish lawyers
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 08:19 PM
Mar 2021

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The Democrat declared for the political office held by the Republican but didn't get the nomination. They didn't like each other. This was long before my parents met.

The Republican named the first female and black ADAs in my county. I believe it was in the late 1930s.

Both my grandmothers were special in their own ways. Later, a genetic specialist would suggest to me that they might have been distantly related back in the old country. I'll never know if they were from extended family, but both would have been very surprised at even the notion that they were related.

Liberty Belle

(9,537 posts)
53. Cowboys, Indians, Irish immigrants and Holocaust victims are all in my family tree.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 09:12 PM
Mar 2021

My Mom's father was a cowboy on the Chisolm trail as a young man. His mother, my great-grandmother, was part Cherokee Indian. His father,my great-grandfather, was descended from Patrick Henry, where I get my rabble rousing genes. Grandpa's parents were also pioneers who came by wagon train from Tenessee to Texas, with the older children walking all that way alongside the covered wagon.Grandpa was born in a barn in Texas while their house was being built.

He married my grandmother when she was 17 and he was 27; it was love at first sight. As a schoolgirl she saw him driving cattle past the school yard; their eyes met and she smiled at him. She had long red hair, her Irish roots, and when they met at a party a few years later they remembered each other and married soon after. They had a farm until they lost it in the Depression My grandfather was dirt poor but a man of great integrity. When the KKK tried to coerce him to join, he refused -- telling me any organization in which a man must hide his face in shame is not a group he'd ever be part of. He feared they might return and burn down their farm, but thankfully that didn't happen. He's inspired me to always make the right choice, even if it's the hard choice. After losing the farm they bought a place in town with a peach orchard and Grandpa worked loading freight at a railroad yard, until a sack of grain fell and crippled his back; he could walk but never let anything heavy again. He also played the fiddle at square dances.

Grandma's grandfather came from Ireland as a young man whose father sent him here to avoid being forced into the military; he became a boxer to earn his living in America.Grandma maintained a strong spirit and wonderful sense of humor her whole life despite an abusive childhood. Her mother died in childbirth with triplets when Grandma was very little. Her father remarried a woman who beat my grandmother but she was also a rebel at heart - she once bobbed her hair like the flappers in the 20s, knowing she would be beaten for defying her stepmother's orders. When her father and stepmother passed on, grandma's brother was sent to live at an orphan's home.

Grandma had a happy marriage until Grandpa died of a heart attack in the doctor's waiting room at age 65. Grandma was brokenhearted--and broke. She went to work as a maid for a while. Yet she was always generous and loving. She taught me to bake apple and apricot pies, and to smile and laugh even when there are hardships. She lived to 93, and was a great inspiration to me. Interestingly, she gave my mother an Emerald ring with Irish clasped hands at age 16; Mom gave it to me when I was 16. It got lost in gym class in high school and I was sick about it; i searched through my locker that I found unlocked but it was gone -- until the day after Grandma died, when I brushed against clothes in my closet and heard something fall to the ground There was her ring! Grandma always called me her angel, and I guess her angel sent it to me from heaven.

They had two children, Mom and her sister, Winnie, who was also giving and generous person. Mom was an artist and one of the first women mechanical draftsman at Convair, where she met my Dad. With her artist's eye, she taught me to see the beauty in all things. She's now 90, in a nursing home, but still filling me in on the family history.

My Dad's parents were Jews who immigrated here from Austria-Hungary. They met in American and found out they were from the same hometown. Grandpa ran a scrap metal yard in Detroit. Their parents died in one of Hitler's concentration camps, as did most of their other relatives except my Grandmother's sister who escaped to Argentina and my grandfather's brother who was just 11 when soldiers burned his village; a soldier took pity on him and hid him in a wagon to escape. He walked to the seacoast and stowed away aboard a ship to come to America. My grandparents spent years searching for other relatives, and there was always a a sadness about them after learning how many had perished. From them, I learned the pain that hate can cause.

Dad had two brothers; one fought with Patton in World War II but was never the same after; shell-shocked and exposed to chemical weapons, he was traumatized and never married. Dad's brother was a well-known builder. Dad was an engineer and though Jewish, worked alongside German rocket scientists at an Army base in Huntsville, Alabama to help launch the US space program. He became known as Mr Atlas at General Dynamics later on, helping design the flight paths for all of the Atlas, Gemini and Mercury flights as well as the unmanned Apollo missions.

Dad taught me patience. I remember him bringing home notebooks of calculations he did by hand -- amazing that we sent rockets into orbit with astronauts aboard this way!

Ms. Toad

(34,110 posts)
55. All my grandparents were at least the 2nd generation in the US.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 09:20 PM
Mar 2021

Most 4th or more. The nearest non-US ancestor was born in Canada in the 1830s.

My paternal grandfather's grandfather migrated from Kentucky to the town in Nebraska where I grew up to escape some sort of scandal. Ultimately he pulled other family members with him, so in our small town there were 21 families with the same surname - and I was related to all but one.

My paternal grandfathers had less than a high school education. He dropped out of school to be the head of the family after his father died at a railroad crossing in rural Nebraska. My grandfather died less than two miles from that same crossing at age 83 when a semi-truck crossed the center line in the middle of an ice storm and hit his pickup head-on as he was heading to deliver a real-estate appraisal to a customer. Between dropping out of school and his death, he ran a family farm without accruing debt, ever. He became a state senator, invited my father to never return home when my father became the first conscientious objector in the state. Less than 2 decades later he became a pacifist and joined the small Quaker church my family attended.

My paternal grandmother lived to be 101. She taught briefly at the one-room country school attended by several generations of our family (including me, through 6th grade). When my grandfather was alive, he controlled the money. But grandmother taught piano lessons and was "permitted" to keep that money for herself. She loved tea parties (mostly milk with a little tea) with her grandkids - and hated the toads I insisted on sharing with her. After my grandfather died, she put some of "his" money to good use - remodeled the farm house, traveled extensively, acquired a man-friend (likely platonic, but they traveled together) and basically made up for lost time. The only time she publicly disagreed with my grandfather when we were growing came when my grandfather left the Baptist church (when he joined the Quaker meeting). She refused to join him. (Ironically, several years later, the Quaker church and the Baptist church shared a pastor.)


My material grandfather was a dairy (farming) professor, with a specialty in ice cream. He had a habit of inviting his students to his home for meals. My father, a 16-year-old college freshman was one of those students, which is how my father met my mother (who was a 16-year-old high school student, at the time). My mother was a wild child, and not much impressed with my father - except that he gave her access to his frat brothers. He was the "baby" of my grandparents when he died at age 79.


My maternal grandmother was the glue that held her family together. Her husband at least partially disowned his son, ostensibly because his son had a beard (He still does. My mother wants her brother to shave at least once . . . but my guess is stubbornness will keep that beard in place until he dies. Must be related to his father.) Grandmother kept everyone connected. She hosted grandkids one or two at a time, for a week in the big city. We would occasionally get to go out to eat (much more of a treat then than it is now) and served us Sunday meals on china with gold rims. (Our dishes at home were the far less glamorous Arrowhead melamine). In her later years, she was jealous of anyone who died quickly - she remarked when my paternal grandfather died that she wished it had been her. Despite never being a smoker, she developed emphysema (granddad did smoke pipes, but never inside). She was mostly blind due to macular degeneration, an also lived with metastatic breast cancer for more than 2 decades before she died at 83. She was sharp as a tack - but most of the fellow residents in her nursing home weren't. So she felt trapped in a body that no longer served her - with little opportunity to use her mind to counter-balance the physical challenges.


Mariana

(14,861 posts)
57. Sure.
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 09:32 PM
Mar 2021

My dad's father was born in 1907 in central Massachusetts. He had 3 older siblings who lived, and 2 younger ones. His mother died shortly after his 11th birthday. His father was a carpenter and moved the family from town to town often, until he fell off a roof and sustained a head injury that caused seizures for the rest of his life, sometime in the 1920's. Then my grandpa went to live with his older sister in Rhode Island. He worked in the jewelry trade, where he met my great grandfather, who introduced him to my grandma. They married bought a house, and had two children who lived, the elder was my father. He never went to high school, but he became a writer and a respected local historian. His other hobbies were salt water fishing and hunting for Native American artifacts. He was also quite a joker. It was so much fun to spend time with him, he was always doing something interesting. He died in 1995.

His wife, my dad's mother, was born in Rhode Island in 1909. Her mother was from Yorkshire, England and her father was the son of German immigrants. She had 3 brothers, two older and one younger. After she graduated high school, she joined the Salvation Army and went to training in the Bronx, and then to Ohio where she worked with at-risk young teens. When her time was up, she came home and worked as a piano teacher and stenographer until my father was born. She went into labor with my father during the 1938 hurricane, and had a great adventure getting to the hospital just in time. She was very creative and taught me to do all kinds of arts and crafts projects. She was an amazing cook, too, her clam chowder was the best anywhere and she made awesome frappes. She died in 1994.

My mom's father lived his entire life in one small Massachusetts town near Boston. He was born in 1909 and had one older brother. His father was a master plumber, and my grandfather and his brother joined him in the business. He graduated from high school in his town, and went to technical school to get certified as a master plumber himself. He married a local schoolteacher, and his best friend married her sister, and they all remained very close throughout their lives. They were married for 26 years when she died, and four years later he remarried. He was very active in the goings-on in the town, he served as selectman for some time, and was the plumbing inspector for a while. After his first wife died, he gave up elected offices but remained active in several social and civic groups until his death in 1998. He is a descendant of George Soule who was on the Mayflower.

My mom's mother also lived her entire life in that same town. She was the daughter of immigrants from Canada - her father was from Quebec, and her mother was from New Brunswick. She was born in 1910 and had one older sister. She graduated from a private high school in her town, then went to the state teachers college, where she earned a Bachelor's Degree. She worked as a teacher until her son was born, and then went back to work when her daughter started school. She loved the outdoors, and they had a tiny cottage in the woods near a lake where they spent most of the summers, swimming, hiking, biking, fishing, and boating. However, she was an alcoholic and did not take care of her health, and pretty much ignored her high blood pressure. She died in 1964 of a cerebral hemorrhage.

sir pball

(4,761 posts)
58. A strange mix..
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 11:19 PM
Mar 2021

Dad's parents were both first-generation Polish-Americans; all four of his grandparents were turn-of-the-20th immigrants who settled in Yonkers; there was a pretty big Polish community up there at the time if I understand. They were just faceless workmen, my grandfather was the pride of his family when he enlisted in the Navy in '41. We're apparently Cossack, horse breeders to the nobility is the family story, but the bloodline is hard to trace - the kind of people emigrating to the US 120 years ago didn't keep meticulous records.

Mom's parents, on the other hand...she was a Waite, as in Chief Justice Waite. I think he's my great-great-great-granduncle, but I'd have to look at the tree to be sure. Gramp was a professor at Columbia, Grammy was a social worker, suffragist, and all-round Bad-Ass 1920s Progressive Woman. In rather sharp contrast to my father's side, the Waite family Bible is from...1521 IIRC.

That half came over on the Mayflower and fought in the Revolution; going even farther back, past the Bible records, into the distant fog of literal millennia, I'm descended from Hugh de Morville - rather infamously known for smashing a turbulent priest's head in way back in 1170. I'm not joking when I tell people I'm the Whitest kid they know :chuckle"

shanti

(21,675 posts)
59. Both quite different
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 01:43 AM
Mar 2021

Maternal gf was full French descent, Waldensian. He was a foreman for a landowner in Southern CA, farmed lima beans, beets, etc. All farmers basically, from the Turin region of northern Italy. Very Republican. Tended to have large families with lots of sons. They came to the US around 1875 through Castle Garden to Missouri. The women sewed their money into the hems of their dresses, I've been told.

Maternal gm was Alsatian/Irish/German mostly. She tragically lost her father when she was 3 and was raised solely by her strict Irish Catholic mother, who never remarried. She was always a housewife. Her Irish line came over during the famine, several brothers, from Cork and Kerry. The went over as indentured servants.

Paternal gf was English via Canada/Dutch. He was from rural Eastern Washington and was a barber with his own shop. I'll always remember the long braid hanging on the wall from one of his clients. I hardly knew him, but vividly remember the last time I visited. He served in WW2 as a merchant marine. His Dutch line is the furthest I've been able to go back, New Amsterdam, and is well documented.

Paternal gm was a mixed bag, mostly British Isles and Germany, and where my 1% NA probably comes from. Several patriots in this line and sadly, one slave owner/confederate from Kentucky. She was tiny, 4'11". Born and raised in a small town in Eastern Washington. Always a Democrat.

As you can tell, I'm VERY American!

DFW

(54,447 posts)
61. With me, it was a rather diverse quartet
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:18 AM
Mar 2021

My maternal grandmother was very German in her mannerisms, and it was always a treat for us to go visit her and Grandpa in New York City. I never knew much about her background except her family name, which was Feiler. My grandfather was the descendant of deadbeat Mississippi riverboat gamblers who fled north to the anonymity of New York City to escape their debts. He grew up dirt poor, joined the army and fought in World War One in France. He felt forced to write his mom letters saying how nice Europe was, all the while suffering in worse misery than he had ever could have imagined.

Never having the money to get a formal higher education, he did what he could to get by. After the war, he and my grandmother got married in New York, having two daughters just as the Great Depression hit. He made a few dimes every day from a few families bringing their neighborhood kids to school and back. He finally got himself a job with a Madison Avenue advertising firm, who soon recognized his wit and humor, and put it to good use. For years, his wit turned into successful ad campaigns, and he retired with enough money to buy himself and his wife a comfortable apartment on the upper east side (89th street). Such slogans as "Smirnoff Vodka, it leaves you breathless!" and "quick as a wink, you're in the pink with Pepto Bismol" sprang from his imagination. One time, in the 1960s, my mom was driving us all through Washington DC to meet my dad there for something. LBJ was president, and the War on Poverty and the population explosion were the talk of the day. Out of the blue, my grandfather said he was going to start a "War on Puberty to stop the Copulation Explosion." My mom was laughing so hard, she nearly lost control and came close to running the car up the steps of the FBI building. My grandmother got Alzheimers, and faded away at age 80, at which point he took up painting as a hobby. His humor shone through still, and his most famous painting, a parody of a corporate board meeting, now hangs in my dining room. It's called "The Blockheads," and with good reason.


At age 99, he sent out a Christmas card with a photo of himself (looking quite his age) with the caption, "Compliments of the Seasoned." He lasted three more years, his wit full intact until he died in his sleep one October night at age 102.

My dad's father was the son of a poor tailor from Charleston, South Carolina. He somehow was accepted at Harvard, but since he was penniless, he worked his way through college as a janitor. This guy, who I only knew as an elegant, well-spoken grandfather, cleaning other people's shit as a means of getting an education was unimaginable to me, but it was a different world, then. The poor tailor's son from Charleston got his bar exam, and for a few years even served as deputy mayor of New York City, ending up as a justice on the New York State Supreme Court. He and his wife were both heavy smokers, and neither lived to the age of 70.

My dad's mom was a powerhouse in her own right. She was the daughter of a Jewish immigrant from what is now Slovakia. He became a prominent New York Attorney in the first third of the 20th century. Her mom was a Russian immigrant (family name Popkin) with prematurely white hair who came off the boat at age 4. My grandmother, whose hair also turned prematurely white, got involved in politics at an early age. She was labor liason for Mayor La Guardia in New York, but was fired for being too cozy with labor, and not cozy enough with Republican mayor LaGuardia. She later (1948) worked as a New York fundraiser for the mayor of Minneapolis, who was making his first run for the US Senate. I still have one the fund-raising letters she sent out. His name was Hubert Humphrey, and he did indeed win his Senate race. Our family connection to the "Minnesota Democratic Mafia" remains unbroken to this day, although I have never even set foot there. She was also a supporter of living modern artists, and their apartment was full of oddball (to me) paintings and small sculptures. I remember a couple of strange bronze sculptures by a Swiss from Ticino, called Alberto Giacometti. When she died at the young age of 66, the grandchildren were allowed to request items from her "collection" to keep in the family. I wanted (and got) an abstract painting of squares in shades of blue by an American painter from New York. I had always liked it, and my parents knew that. My dad only had to pay a couple of hundred dollars inheritance tax, as the artist was still living. My cousin wanted one of the bronze sculptures by Giacometti, but Giacometti had died a year before my grandmother, and the work was assessed at $16,000. To keep it in the family, his dad would have had to fork over half, i.e. $8000, in inheritance taxes, an amount he couldn't afford at the time. It sold at public auction a year later, in 1967, for $25,000. My cousin must have been sick when he saw that same sculpture come up for sale at an auction in New York some forty years later, with my grandmother still listed as a previous owner. It sold for $4 million.

Needless to say, with a background like that, my parents were not exactly boring, either. My dad became a prominent journalist, moved down to Virginia, where I was born. He commuted into Washington every day, preferring to report on people in the limelight, rather than stand in it himself. But even with his low-key style, he became sort of an icon in his own right. Just as he sought a path that did not require him to be constantly held to his father's standard, I did the same. Some shoes are just too big to fill. Neither I nor my siblings even bothered to try. My mom did her own thing, too, volunteering for community classical orchestras, building a cello (her main instrument, along with the piano) for fun, and teaching immigrants English. Learning to do things for herself at an early age from her depression-era childhood, she was also a carpenter, electronic tinkerer and gardener. She also kept a keen eye on the DC political scene, which was pretty much inevitable anyway, since it came home to the dinner table every night. What did Art (Buchwald) or Helen (Thomas) have to say about this or that? As might be expected, although we never entered politics directly, we still kept up with it, and my brother and I maintained my father's political contacts as well as made our own. His friends in the Senate were named Javits, Humphrey, Mondale, Kennedy, Church, etc. Mine are named Kelly, Ossoff and Hickenlooper. Same idea, different cast of characters.

The beat goes on.

Great idea for a thread, by the way. Complimenti!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
62. My Dutch and English grandparents have been here for a long time.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:34 AM
Mar 2021

My Italian grandparents came over on the boat as children. My paternal grandfather ended up as a tailor by trade, but he was also in the mob. He shot up a poker game one night and stole the money and he messed with the wrong people.

They found him about 10 miles away from home in the trunk of his car with a few bullets in him. There is an old article in a local paper about him but I would rather not bring it up. I have tried to talk to my dad about it but he just gets defensive whenever we bring it up. Sore subject.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. One set
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:18 AM
Mar 2021

she was Protestant and he was Catholic, which was a big deal in those days. He had a job during the depression with the CCC or one of those agencies. They were FDR Democrats until Roe v. Wade, when as Catholics, he and his kids went nuts over abortion and became Republicans. He worked blue collar jobs and the Knights of Columbus was his thing. She was a housewife who had wanted to be a nurse and therefore loved to talk about everyone's ailments. Neither had college but their children mostly did - classic case of doing better than the previous generation. Large number of kids.

Other side blue collar worker in an auto factory married teacher 5 years his senior who tried to keep that a secret. She had a college degree, a big deal in those days, and did work outside the home, teaching. They were Catholic. Two kids went to college out of a large number of kids.

hunter

(38,334 posts)
75. The family religious wars of my childhood were brutal.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 06:22 PM
Mar 2021

Four grandparents, four religions.

Opposites attract, and then they fight.

The only reason our family gathered on religious holidays, if they could even agree on a date, was to fight.

And then they'd come back for more every year, because they liked to fight about religion.

I had but one grandparent who wished to celebrate a traditional 20th century U.S.A. Christmas on December 25 with Santa Claus.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
76. Whoah
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 01:41 PM
Mar 2021

It is good that since those days, religion has faded.

According to some of the Catholics, the Protestant grandmother called the oldest kid a "Catholic bastard."

Then the Protestant mother was under pressure to turn Catholic. She finally did for a 50th anniversary renewal of vows ceremony. She was good friends with the priests anyway, along the way. One called her "brand X" but in fondness, they were said to be great friends.

She would cook them a big breakfast while they were at midnight mass when they were young - they loved the tradition of coming home at 1 a.m. to eggs and bacon! She could only do that because she didn't have to go to Mass!

I guess they kept away from arguing over doctrine, though. I don't think mother (my grandmother) was all that rabid a Protestant!

ellie

(6,929 posts)
71. My dad's parents
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:10 PM
Mar 2021

came from Romania in the early 1900s and they had seven sons, five survived, one being my dad. My paternal grandfather died in 1942 but my paternal grandmother died in 1970 and I remember her. She did not speak English very well and was a tall woman.

My mom's grandparents were Hungarian ex-pats living in Czechoslovakia who also came over in the early 1900s and had three daughters (one my grandmother) and one son. My maternal grandparents divorced and I really didn't know my maternal grandfather, but my maternal grandmother lived until 2001. She was a lot of fun and I miss her.

Both sides of the family were (are) Catholic. I don't know about their politics, but my dad was a socialist, having grown up in the Great Depression to poor, immigrant parents who barely spoke English.

I think about my grandparents/great-grandparents a lot and admire their courage to leave their home and come to another country in order to ensure those who came after them had better lives.

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
73. Grandfather on my mother's side.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:59 PM
Mar 2021

He was a stonemason in Donegal, Ireland, but moved his family (3 girls, one boy) to Glasgow, Scotland to find work. At some point they may have lived in London, because my mother recalled hearing bombs drop during WWI. In 1922, he, his wife and my mother emigrated to Boston on the ship Carinthia. I never met that grandmother, for she died shortly after arriving. When visiting him as a child, he would regale us with Irish shanty songs --- and I could never understand the words he sang.

Grandfather on my father's side was a policeman in Boston, who died in 1912 when my father was 2 years old. My grandmother (an emigre from Caherciveen, Ireland) supported my dad and his older sister as a seamstress. They lived in an apartment that formerly was on the corner of Boylston St. and Mass. Ave. (demolished when the Pike was built). I was most familiar with this grandmother, since we saw her often. As a child, I was eager to cuddle up to her when she wore her black seal-skin coat. It was so soft and comforting to me.

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