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intrepidity

(7,275 posts)
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 11:37 AM Mar 2021

Lab Leak: A Scientific Debate Mired in Politics--and Unresolved

https://undark.org/2021/03/17/lab-leak-science-lost-in-politics/

Please read this article if you have any genuine interest whatsoever in the question of Covid19's origin.

If you think you already know the answer, please read this article.

If you post replies in threads on this topic, please read this article, so that you can be better informed and not appear foolish, or worse, spread misinformation (such as that the question is settled, proven by science).

Please read this article. Below is just a small excerpt:

Last month, a team of international scientists completed a month-long visit to Wuhan to investigate SARS-CoV-2’s origins. Convened by the WHO, and closely monitored by Chinese authorities, the team concluded initially that a lab leak was so unlikely that further investigations of it were unnecessary. The WHO’s director general later walked that statement back, claiming that “all hypotheses remain open and require further analysis and studies.” A group of 26 scientists, social scientists, and science communicators — Petrovksy among them — have now signed their own letter arguing that WHO investigators lacked “the mandate, the independence, or the necessary accesses” to determine whether or not SARS-CoV-2 could have been the result of a laboratory incident.

The WHO investigation follows a year during which debates over SARS-CoV-2’s origins turned increasingly acrimonious. Chinese officials were, and still are, unwilling to provide information that might settle lingering questions about where the virus came from, and in the absence of critical data, expert views coalesced around two competing scenarios: One that a lab leak was plausible and needed more scrutiny, and another that SARS-CoV-2 had almost certainly spilled over from nature and that the odds of a lab leak were so remote that the possibility could essentially be taken off the table. Those insisting on a natural origin say the virus lacks genetic features that would show it to have been deliberately engineered. But it’s also possible that SARS-CoV-2 evolved naturally in the wild before it was brought into a lab to be studied, only to subsequently escape. The Wuhan Institute of Virology, which many see as the likeliest site of a breakout, houses one of the largest collections of coronaviruses in the world.

David Relman, a microbiologist at Stanford University, says a lab leak was never the subject of a “fair and dispassionate discussion of the facts as we know them.” Instead, tempers soon began to flare as those calling for a closer look at possible lab origins were dismissed as conspiracy theorists spouting misinformation. Election-year politics and growing Sinophobic sentiments only added to the tensions. Attacks on Asian Americans had been escalating since the pandemic began, and with then-President Trump fuming about a “Chinese virus,” many scientists and reporters became “cautious about saying anything that might justify the rhetoric of his administration,” says Jamie Metzl, a senior fellow at the Washington, D.C.-based Atlantic Council, an international affairs think tank.

It could have been career suicide for scientists to voice suspicions about a possible lab leak, says Metzl, especially when there was already a long history of viral disease outbreaks spilling over from nature. Alina Chan, a post-doctoral fellow specializing in gene therapy and cell engineering at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, echoes that view. Chan says the risk of challenging the orthodoxy that SARS-CoV-2 has natural origins — an entirely plausible hypothesis, she maintains — is greatest for established scientists in infectious disease with supervisory roles and staffs to support. She herself has spent much of the last year calling for more scrutiny of a potential lab leak, claiming that as a post-doc, she has less to lose.

The vitriol also obscures a broader imperative, Relman says, which is that uncovering the virus’ origins is crucial to stopping the next pandemic. Threats from both lab accidents and natural spillovers are growing simultaneously, as humans move steadily into wild places, and new biosafety labs grow in number around the world. “This is why the origins question is so important,” Relman says.

Much more at link:

https://undark.org/2021/03/17/lab-leak-science-lost-in-politics/
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Lab Leak: A Scientific Debate Mired in Politics--and Unresolved (Original Post) intrepidity Mar 2021 OP
The Atlantic Council has analyzed this & conclude it is intentional propaganda seeded to/from Q-anon hlthe2b Mar 2021 #1
STRAW MAN ALERT intrepidity Mar 2021 #2
You did along with suggesting it was man-made and all the other Q-anon-promoted nonsense. hlthe2b Mar 2021 #3
I most fucking assuredly did NOT nt intrepidity Mar 2021 #10
EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD (and ALL your others) KNOW BETTER. hlthe2b Mar 2021 #11
Then prove it. Should be easy. intrepidity Mar 2021 #13
You have BEEN provided repeated links to the actual studies reputing your CT hlthe2b Mar 2021 #14
I don't have to any more than anyone else needs to waste further time with you. Your posts hlthe2b Mar 2021 #16
At this point, I think complaining about acronyms is more your wheelhouse. LanternWaste Mar 2021 #19
Now you try to "clean up" your intent and suggest you didn't mean to disseminate Q-anon theory. hlthe2b Mar 2021 #17
and yes, YOU are assisting Q-anon, other RW media and malign foreign actors propagating this! hlthe2b Mar 2021 #7
So, if q anon crap is "accidentally" leaked, it's ok kcr Mar 2021 #8
Reading comprehension is key intrepidity Mar 2021 #12
It sure is kcr Mar 2021 #15
QAnonsense. For anybody taking this garbage seriously: lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #4
What crap is this? MineralMan Mar 2021 #5
OP is on a tear today pushing QAnonsense. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #6
I stopped reading at "and not appear foolish", bye! Nt USALiberal Mar 2021 #9
There are a variety of possibilities Klaralven Mar 2021 #18
Read article without all the bolded comments 48656c6c6f20 Mar 2021 #20

hlthe2b

(102,149 posts)
1. The Atlantic Council has analyzed this & conclude it is intentional propaganda seeded to/from Q-anon
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 04:54 PM
Mar 2021

and others by malign foreign players. STOP THIS BULLSHIT. It has been debunked by actual virologists from CDC, WHO, EURO-CDC and others!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=15255362&pid=15255637

The false assertion that COVID-19 was purposefully leaked from a Chinese lab — spread online through U.S.-based far-right networks like QAnon and eventually bled into right-wing media more broadly.


https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Weaponized-How-rumors-about-COVID-19s-origins-led-to-a-narrative-arms-race.pdf

as discussed here: https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-misinformation-china-russia-iran-bdd7f45a-4212-497c-8c77-c00b4c7c2379.html


The DFRLab report also explores how a separate, earlier stream of disinformation — revolving around the false assertion that COVID-19 was purposefully leaked from a Chinese lab — spread online through U.S.-based far-right networks like QAnon and eventually bled into right-wing media more broadly.

hlthe2b

(102,149 posts)
14. You have BEEN provided repeated links to the actual studies reputing your CT
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 05:13 PM
Mar 2021

that you have REPEATEDLY posted. By me and more than a dozen others who do not appreciate your turning DU into Q-anon CT.

hlthe2b

(102,149 posts)
16. I don't have to any more than anyone else needs to waste further time with you. Your posts
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 05:52 PM
Mar 2021

made it clear, no matter how much you want to try to "clean it up" --now that I and others have pointed out that this is pure Q-anon.

hlthe2b

(102,149 posts)
17. Now you try to "clean up" your intent and suggest you didn't mean to disseminate Q-anon theory.
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 05:54 PM
Mar 2021

It sticks. Permanently. You OWN it now.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
15. It sure is
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 05:21 PM
Mar 2021

I can't help but note how you're still not explaining how it makes a difference otherwise. I guess nonsensical attempts at snark will do in a pinch.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
18. There are a variety of possibilities
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 06:34 PM
Mar 2021

1. it was deliberately leaked from the Wuhan lab either 1a. officially, or 1b. by a disaffected employee,

2. it inadvertently escaped from the Wuhan lab,

3. it was deliberately released by another organization near the Wuhan lab, or

4. it jumped from a host species in or near Wuhan, either from 4a. bats or 4b an intermediate host.

1a seems unlikely, since you would logically release it distant from your lab to obfuscate it's origin.

1b. is a possibility, but you'd think that China maintains good surveillance of personnel.

2 is the most likely of the first two scenarios.

3 seems equally probable with 2, given that travel to/from Wuhan was easy and frequent and that there were the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan in October, which seems like a splendid opportunity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games

4 is far and away the most likely, and it is really the only possibility worth investigating, because, no matter the path taken to get to humans, the virus did start in bats.


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