The lies men tell themselves about prostitution and strippers.

[Snake Alchemist]

1) She just loves sex.

2) The money is just too good and she loves the lifestyle.

3) She's working her way through med/law school.

4) She's too dumb to do anything else.

5) It's the easiest way to make money.


Feel free to add any more you can think of.

[Codeine]

1. To be fair, I've heard women say all of those things as well.

How about "The lies PEOPLE tell themselves about prostitution and strippers"?

[lumberjack_jeff]

14. What is this "fair" of which you speak? n/t

[leeroysphitz]

28. That wouldn't be bigoted or inflammatory enough.

I love the way the OP gets to FLOUT, with complete immunity, the TOS.

Gotta love the selective enforcement around here.

[Zalatix]

60. Are you implying the TOS should apply to males? You... you... you misogynist!

March yourself down to the nearest indoctrination center NOW, citizen!

^^^ satire!

[Wait Wut]

36. Oh, women can say much, much worse.

I've known several strippers and a few prostitutes, both male and female. Women can be vicious in their attacks on prostitutes and strippers.

[redqueen]

45. Women are people too, yes, and equally capable of being nasty to other people.

I've heard strippers and prostitutes say very nasty things about squares. Round and round we go.

[seabeyond]

2. "lies men tell themselves" .... it is all about me. nt

[Snake Alchemist]

5. Ah, yes. She should be grateful is another. nt

[redqueen]

3. She really likes me and she's having fun! She's totally not just saying that for good tips.

[CTyankee]

31. how about "she tells me I'm the best lover of all of her clients."

Or, "sometimes we have sex free of charge..."

Yep.

[Marie Marie]

65. Ding ding ding!!!

She wants me - I can tell.

[Liberal_in_LA]

4. what's with all the prostitution, stripping, sex, violence, men, women threads?

What did I miss?

[redqueen]

6. I dared to post a thread about the link between prostitution and violence.

It's a trainwreck, of course.

Many people got their boxers all bunched up and started posting stupid copycats and generally acting all defensive.

[LanternWaste]

15. There are advantages to train-wrecks...

There are advantages to train-wrecks-- they often dramatically advertise the vulgar, allowing us to more easily separate the chaff from the wheat.

[EOTE]

17. That's because the link is between ILLEGAL prostitution and violence.

If prostitution is legalized and regulated, violence goes down. Which is why that thread was so asinine.

[Liberal_in_LA]

35. you started something big! lol

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. It seems to be the only real issue these days

in General Discussion that is worthy of discussion.

Frankly its getting passé talking about the oldest profession.

[redqueen]

32. Women are a disenfranchised minority group in almost every culture.

Women's sexuality is hijacked and framed by the dominant group, in whatever direction.

Women are hypersexualized in this country (and some others) and turned into cartoon versions of people.

How can you dare to imply that there is any 'normal' to be found, where women's sexuality is concerned? How would we recognize that 'normal'?

Women are raised in patriarchical societies, and absorb sexual cues that are tailored to suit men's sexual appetites, yet people want to pretend that the women who adopt the dominant message are 'normal' because they conform to the dominant group's expectations?

Laughable.

[Lance_Boyle]

39. Women are a majority group in the US. n/t

[redqueen]

40. *sigh* Sociological minority != statistical minority.

Seriously, this is getting old.

In the context of sociology, a minority is a group that is not the dominant group.

You're welcome.

[Lance_Boyle]

47. Women have also enjoyed the right to vote (enfranchisement) for damn near a century.

Your post proclaimed that women make up less than half of the population of the US, and that they lack voting rights. But I'm used to hearing incorrect information from you and yours when it pant-suits the agenda.

[redqueen]

50. FFS. Look up 'disenfrachisement'.

I'm done attempting to educate you.

Nice sexist dig at the end there. Classy.

[Liberal_in_LA]

49. glad I missed it. love that emoticon

[Mr Dixon]

37. AGREED

I want to ask the same question

[leftyohiolib]

7. they were abused by men in their life so now they hide the fact that they

cant have a healthy relationship with men by lauding a percieved power over them for which they get paid

[leftyohiolib]

8. they cant find a job and have children to feed

[phleshdef]

11. Any of those things could be true or false. Every person is different.

The sooner you accept that, the better off you will be.

And I'm not someone who needs to tell myself any lies. I've never nor will I ever hire a prostitute. I've no interest in strippers. My wife suits me just fine.

But to generalize one way or the other is pure ignorance. Yes there are in fact women (and MEN!) who love sex, love the money they can make from that sort of that and choose to use it as a way to finance other endeavors. There are also in fact women (and MEN!) who are in desperate situations and do something they don't really want to do out of that desperation.

There are plenty of prostitutes, strippers and adult film stars that have went on record and publically acknowledged everything I just said. You can't refute this.

Regardless of a person's reasons for being involved in some sex related fiasco to make money, there is no reason in the world that people should be criminally penalized for the mere act of paying or accepting money for sex. We can protect children and protect people from forced sexual slavery without arresting consenting adults for doing something that is basically none of your god damn business.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. nobody else will fuck me.

oh wait, "the lies". never mind.

[TlalocW]

16. Not always lies

I befriended a stripper (outside the strip club) while I was in grad school, and she was in vet school. She and her roommate both stripped just part of the year and made enough to attend college, rent a nice house, and drive pretty modern cars. At one point, they were considering looking at working at clubs in other cities or doing private parties and asked me to come along with them to feel safe and asked me about being their bodyguard if they did parties. Ultimately, they decided on neither which is good because while I'm a big guy, I'm probably not the bodyguard type.

I remember the school paper did an article on students that stripped (mainly because of the hubbub it created on campus). They were mentioned in it saying that it was easy work, only had to be done a few nights a week, got them more money than other jobs, and ultimately wasn't sexual for them after a while because they said they would think about what laundry they needed to do, etc. while whirling around the pole.

I'm not saying it's like this for everyone, but much like my friend's costumes, your blanket statement in this case doesn't cover everything.

TlalocW

[DefenseLawyer]

18. The lies men tell themselves about the Demon Rum!

Hey if we switch the topic up a little bit we can start a nice Prohibition thread. While we're at it lets ban everything you don't like. That's the country I want to live in.

[The Straight Story]

24. The lies people tell themselves about bar tenders

1. They really care about my troubles
2. They won't serve me past a limit, so as long as they are serving I am not drunk

...

[Hugabear]

19. It's consentual

We've learned in other threads that this is a lie

[EOTE]

22. No one here supports anyone being forced to do a job that they don't want to do.

And the best way to ensure that people aren't being coerced into the sex industry is to make it legal and regulated. Easy, no?

[EOTE]

20. I know what's best for them, so prostitution should be illegal. NT

[Whisp]

21. and all her customers are nice, clean gentlemen

not hairy sweaty bad breathed toothless dick cheesers.

[Snake Alchemist]

27. They all arrive in Rolls Royces and wear tuxedoes. nt

[theAntiRand]

23. Another one:

"I'm entitled to it."

[The Straight Story]

25. "She hates doing this, other people have told me that all prostitutes are victims and I am the perp"

So I will just pay her and talk about care bears and shoe sales.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

29. You can talk about care bears with me if you want.

Twenty dollars--that's the friend rate.

[The Straight Story]

30. Ya got a 900 number?

[Schema Thing]

26. she couldn't possibly See Beyond my opinions about sexuality

[Froward69]

33. NOT a lie... "I Like looking at young naked Women."

more non lies...

Jobs are scarce
money is tight
she needs to pay rent and feed her kids (if any)
she needs to feed her addiction.
if there weren't a demand for naked Women, then there wouldn't be strip clubs.
My wife wont bother me here.
Golf is more expensive/boring.
seeking nakedness in public, is illegal.

I did not like Busing tables, changing tires or working for someone else either... but it WAS a job that paid the rent. If I could make money with my naked body, I would have.

[Speck Tater]

34. Yes, we get the message: Men are mosnters; women are saints. nt

[kctim]

38. How about

the lies the minority tell themselves when the majority are telling them to mind their own business.

[NeedleCast]

41. Hooray For Broad Brush Attacks!

Stupid men!

[Wait Wut]

43. No kidding.

[superpatriotman]

42. Prostitute does not equal Stripper

That is a false equivalence.

[Wait Wut]

46. Same category...sex trade.

I don't think she was saying they were the same. Just related.

[superpatriotman]

52. Respectfully

I would argue that Stripping is Adult Entertainment, not sex trade.

[Wait Wut]

56. Adult Entertainment is about...

...sex. Prostitution would also be Adult Entertainment.

[RZM]

57. No

Sex trade means what it says. You are trading something (usually money) for actual sexual encounters.

Adult entertainment like porn or stripping does not involve trading anything for actual sex. It means what it says too. It is entertainment with sexual themes, but not actual sex. At a club, you are trading money to look at women dance. When you purchase pornography, you are buying other people having sex on film. Neither of those things results in any sexual encounters for the consumer (unless you consider a lap dance to be sex, which I don't).

Of course adult entertainment is very much about sex, but more the fantasy aspect and not the real thing.

[Wait Wut]

58. Yes.

1.the act or process of buying, selling, or exchanging commodities, at either wholesale or retail, within a country or between countries: domestic trade; foreign trade.
2.a purchase or sale; business deal or transaction.
3.an exchange of items, usually without payment of money.
4.any occupation pursued as a business or livelihood.
5.some line of skilled manual or mechanical work; craft: the trade of a carpenter; printer's trade.

Prostitution, stripping, porn, etc. are all types of business...or occupations. A sex trade.

[RZM]

59. That's not how 'sex trade' is commonly used

It seems our difference here is that you take 'sex' to mean not only real live sexual acts, but also sexuality, sexually explicit materials, etc. You never hear 'sex trade' used to describe porn or strip clubs. But you do hear it used to describe prostitution.

In this case, I take 'sex' to mean actual sexual acts. A porn DVD is not going to give you a blowjob after you buy it. Nor does paying the cover at a strip bar get you a blowjob either. Adult entertainment is just that. Entertainment for adults, meaning entertainment that is sexual, but not sex itself.

I believe Chris Rock said it best: 'No matter what a stripper tells you, there's no sex in the champagne room. None.'

[Douglas Carpenter]

44. 6) They have no right to make their own decisions - we will force them to stop and it will be for

their own good.

8) We care about these people and that is why we force our will on others because we know what's best for everyone.

[pintobean]

48. Is this from personal experience?

I don't lie to myself.

[thelordofhell]

51. Here's more

6) She doesn't have a pimp

7) She's not a drug addict

8) She doesn't have a disease

9) She didn't take my wallet

10) She must be doing this to support her kids

[marions ghost]

53. She's not taking any unusual risks in providing this service to me

She's different from my wife and daughters (and if I ever caught one of them...)

She's not a person I need to care about. (Clerks and waitresses are more respectable though).

Anything that's consentual is not exploitative.

Real men go to hookers.

And of course, the delusional: Because I'm doing this, it must be OK.

[Snake Alchemist]

54. You have some of the best ones. nt

[redqueen]

63. +1

[HopeHoops]

55. Wait - do you mean justifying what hookers do or justifying using them?

[lumberjack_jeff]

61. "She needs rescuing". n/t

[Puregonzo1188]

62. I went to bar in NYC with two friends over New Years. There was a man, in his underwear, dancing on

a pole.


Is he one of the men who told himself these lies?

[B Calm]

64. LOL

[Union Scribe]

66. Lies thread posters tell themselves

1. DU's men need to hear my scolding opinion on their private lives
2. DU's men are just frat boys who need an education
3. Broad brush insinuations about DU's men will make this a better world
4. If DU's men hear this once more, they'll finally see the light
5. DU's men like sex, they must hate women
6. But DU's men don't see that they hate women, so they're dumb, too
7. Therefore, DU men need to be talked down to

Feel free to add any more you can think of

[Snake Alchemist]

67. Good thing I didn't say "DU's men" in the OP. Dodged a bullet. nt

[JFN1]

69. I sense the OP genuinely means well,

but why is this thread not locked, Jury(ies)?

It is divisive and exclusionary, and seems to violate the TOS big time.

And while the OP attempts to use sociology to legitimize the post, ultimately the opposite effect is reached as the brush gets broader and the stereotyping intensifies.

I agree women have a bad rap in our culture - and Nature seems to collude, as women suffer so much physically in ways men NEVER will (my wife has Lupus, so I'm not just throwing out platitudes here)...but this post does more harm to the process of building understanding, than any good the OP clearly hopes to achieve...sorry SA, but I gotta give this a big thumbs down...

[Odin2005]

70. I see you got the "Men's Rights" people out of their holes.

And their misogyny isn't pretty.