The most frightening thing about the current scenario in the US

[malaise]

is that ReTHUGs have no problem overthrowing the elected executive. Further they are against gun control for one reason - they are facilitating the sale of weapons to their goons.

The insurrectionists must be sent to prison (including the big fish) or things will get worse.
There must be serious consequences.

[RKP5637]

1. Seldom do consequences occur, so they just ratchet it up another notch. I often wonder how

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long will this bullshit continue. How many people have to needlessly die.

[malaise]

2. This will continue until there are serious consequences

Another worry is how many persons in charge of protecting democratic institutions are themselves part of the seditionists?

[wnylib]

47. That is the scariest part.

I sometimes fear that Jan 6 was a dry run for insurrectionists who want an overthrow of democracy regardless of who leads it - the orange fascist former guy, or someone else.

And if Jan 6 was a dry run, what's next?

[malaise]

49. Well the good news is that the system won on Jan 6

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and is likely to win again but only if people are severely punished

[wnylib]

51. True, the leaders and not just the attackers

need to be arrested, convicted, and dealt with harshly. But it will take some dedicated effort to nail them with solid evidence because these leaders are smooth at covering their trail, or leaving no concrete trail. People can be convicted on circumstantial evidence, though, if the evidence and the prosecutor are good.

[Probatim]

63. We'll only see consequences when they start shooting their masters.

When the militias realize they've been backing the wrong horse and lash out, that's when something will happen.

And it'll be awful for all of us - not just for the idiots who stormed the Capitol.

[Shermann]

3. I tried to put numbers to it in this thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215275025

[RKP5637]

4. Thanks for the link! n/t

[malaise]

9. Great link

[KPN]

42. Spot on post.

[KPN]

41. Exactly. There should have been arrests and sentences

in the Bundy grazing land grab in NV 8 years or so ago. Oathkeepers backed the feds down with an armed presence. Similar thing with the Malheur Wildlife Refuge occupation a couple years after, though there was the very short shootout when the feds surprised the group of them that were traveling to a meeting elsewhere. Maybe the Feds should have stormed the occupied refuge headquarters instead of hoping for a peaceful solution. Avoiding armed conflict in order to appease and preserve peace has worked more to embolden them and seemingly just postpone the conflict till later. Arrest and try the instigators behind the Capitol storming or we will surely suffer something worse down the road.

[dianaredwing]

74. You don't reach peaceful solutions

with people with guns...ever.

[StrictlyRockers]

5. The direction that this is pointing is truly frightening.

This is the birth of a fascist state. We have to lock up the seditious traitors AND their leaders, like Roger Stone and Trump.

[Initech]

7. I feel like if we don't put a stop to it now...

This will be way worse than Nazi Germany, and the target will be anyone with a D next to their name.

[blueinredohio]

8. Agree a million percent.

[malaise]

12. Every military leader who sent security to his home and not the Capitol should be

locked up - they were clearly part of the attempted coup.

[Initech]

21. Been saying for a while now that the Capitol Riot was an inside job!

Now which Congress person or persons were responsible for sending text messages to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers? Boebert? Greene? Graham? Goehmert? Hawley? There's a lot of suspects here and they should all go down.

[malaise]

62. _1,000

[malaise]

10. THIS

has to happen - or else.

[StrictlyRockers]

28. How hard is it to emigrate to Jamaica?

Asking for a friend..

[malaise]

36. LOL

Have you seen our Covid rate or our crime rate?
After you check those let's talk

[wnylib]

50. I'm vaccinated, so that's one problem

covered. Don't know about the crime rate part.

But Canada is much closer for me.

[uponit7771]

39. +1, we're looking more like Spain circa 1920-ish before the right took to arms in the country

[CrispyQ]

6. We don't have very good history of holding them accountable. -nt

[malaise]

11. I don't know because January 6 was a first since Independence

They'd better be serious

[johnthewoodworker]

13. Republican/Nazis will never stop themselves.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. History offers plenty of examples

How many governments would be lenient with insurrectionists? China? Great Britain? Russia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Duquet

[louis-t]

16. Hell, in China the cops beat you up for not wearing a mask.

[rickyhall]

15. Something must be done about military hardware in the hands of civilians including police.

There's enough stuff out there now to form small armies. Only thing they don't have is armor and air support. But drones are not that far away.

[malaise]

17. Yes but there's another problem

military hardware in the hands of military men and women who are seditionists

[rickyhall]

18. Like the 40% Marines that won't take the vaccine?

[malaise]

20. That and the number of seditionists in the military

including some in leadership positions

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

22. Many in leadership positions.

This is one of the most perilous times in our nation's history.

[Tennessee Hillbilly]

19. They are full of hate and rage.

Things haven't going their way. The insurrection failed....Trump is out of the white house and Biden is undoing a lot of the damage he did... Public opinion favors many progressive causes. Even big corporations are turning against the repugs.

But every time these cowardly misfits lose, their hate and rage increase, and they become even more dangerous. It's a precarious situation.

[malaise]

27. Agree

[demigoddess]

23. take my advice, plan for a republican takeover of the government at first chance. They want a

one party(republican)government. That was why they tried the overturn of that election. Then they would have said, we can't allow dems to ever have high office again, because they cheated in that election.

only thing we can do is elect every democrat we can. take power away from them.

[YoshidaYui]

24. oh Malaise I fully agree

There is only ONE Political party in the United States, there used to be two until it turned into a TERRORIST organization... bent on over throwing the US Government.. if that is not Treason than someone please correct me.

[malaise]

33. The Seditionist in chief

tore up the peace and tranquility part of the Constitution - all he did was use fear and hate to promote his agenda - raw fascism. That monster has to go to prison - with his goons.

[YoshidaYui]

38. i really want to see TRUMP in an orange jump suit....

and his goons, as well.

[Pepsidog]

25. The message must be sent to all the insurrection will be severely punished. They talk about 1/6 like

it was a rush to the ticket booth to get a good seat. I mean literally hitting a cop will get you jail or prison where I am from. Storming the Capitol-They stormed the Capitol and trampled over cops. Just take a second and think to yourself, did you ever think you would see that in the USA? I have a feeling DC federal judges are gonna unload on these people. If ever a message needed to be sent it is now.

[malaise]

29. Some of those judges aren't even qualified for their positions

We need to know how many are also seditionists - these are serious times. The good news is that the system survived Trump on January 6 - now it's time for punishment.

[Evolve Dammit]

26. Totally agree. This will not stop unless the crimes are dealt with. This is the DOJ challenge. nt

[spanone]

30. 👍🏼 👍🏼 👍🏼K&R 👍🏼 👍🏼 👍🏼

[bluestarone]

31. IF this bullshit continues by these UN-AMERICANS

They will not abide by ANY court decisions at all (Including SC decisions) Complete takeover will be attempted.

[malaise]

34. Well their leader condemned the SC and all the other courts who disagreed with him

There must be consequences

[bluestarone]

35. I really see where the court system will fall apart here

THESE IDIOTS will NOT listen to judges, plus i'm really not sure where the sheriffs and police factor in here. I worry they will be against us too.

[Useless in FL]

32. Yes, it is very frightening ...

I never thought that in my 76 years that I would see this situation playing out in plain sight!

[Martin68]

37. Many of us liberals own guns and know how to use them, too. But I doubt that will

ever be necessary. Our military can handle any wannabe militia fratboys.

[malaise]

44. I was relieved when he and his goons were beaten back

on January 6 despite obvious sabotage, but unless there are severe consequences, they will try again.

This morning when I heard one of M$Greedia's braying hacks suggesting that Trump was going to be the ReTHUG kingmaker, I got really angry.

If the leader of the attempted coup were a Muslim all of media would be calling for a trial in Guantanamo Bay. I say that to suggest that there are seditionists everywhere. Thankfully they are a minority but there must be severe consequences for that attempted coup and the threats to the governor of Michigan.

[kentuck]

40. Did not one of the Proud Boys meet with Trump at the White House?

Did I read that somewhere??

[malaise]

48. I think that was the leader - then they lied and said he took a public tour

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests-proud-boys-idUSKBN28M0V2

The White House said a leader of the far-right Proud Boys group who posted photos on social media outside the executive mansion on Saturday had not been invited and was instead on a holiday tour open to the public.

Proud Boys chairman Enrique Tarrio posted photos taken inside the White House gates on the conservative platform Parler, adding that he had received a “last minute invite to an undisclosed location.”

“He was on a public White House Christmas tour,” White House spokesman Judd Deere said when asked about Tarrio’s suggestion he was invited. “He did not have a meeting with the president, nor did the White House invite him.”

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I am more curious about the Capitol Hill tours around the same time

[FakeNoose]

43. They've been lied to, and convinced that Biden isn't the President

That's why the Repukes want to overthrow him. If they accepted the fact that Biden is the duly elected President they wouldn't be trying to do this.

It's Chump's completely false narrative that is driving this.

[malaise]

45. They are adults who were conned by a conman

They are responsible for their actions including believing this monster. Now they must all face the consequences.

[Blue Owl]

46. K&R

[zaj]

52. It will get worse either way.

[BobTheSubgenius]

53. Agreed.

One BIG problem, as I see it, is that the authorities can't seem to charge the insurrectionists with crimes as serious as circumstances demand.

[Dan]

54. The GOP is against gun control until and unless

People of Color starting buying automatic weapons in large numbers to shoot rabbits?

[Straw Man]

70. Roots of gun control

NY's 1911 Sullivan Law, a may-issue handgun licensing scheme, was enacted by corrupt Tammany Hall politicians to make sure that only their goons would be armed. The current may-issue criteria in NYC give preference to celebrities and people who transport large amounts of cash or jewelry. Apparently, their lives are more important than those of the hoi polloi.

California's Mulford Act, banning open carry, was drafted in response the Black Panthers engaging in armed patrols of the city of Oakland. The Panthers responded by staging an open-carry protest at the state capitol, but the Act was subsequently passed with "urgency." Ronald Reagan was Governor of California at the time. The Mulford Act is still in effect.

[ansible]

55. Do you really think gun control is a good idea right now? You expect to trust cops?

You'd be an idiot to still trust cops to do the right things these days. Especially after what's happening in Minneapolis right at this very moment.

[malaise]

56. Gun control is urgent n/t

[The Wizard]

57. Anyone dismissing

Trump's role in the attempted coup d'etat is part of the problem. Trump attempted to overthrow the President Elect and nullify the election, and thus ignore the will of the American people. Any way you cut it, Trump belongs in prison from now until the end of the world.

[malaise]

58. +1,000

Trump belongs in prison from now until the end of the world.

[Kablooie]

59. They weren't outraged at the insurrection, they were disappointed.

They aren't against grabbing power by coup.
This is something new.

[malaise]

60. Yes and no

They have been doing this overseas for a very long time

[llashram]

61. this++

[Bluethroughu]

64. This is the only way to save our democracy.

We need to make clear, our Country's representative democracy matters, and ALL who commit acts of terrorism against it go to prison for a very long time. 20 years.

[Jilly_in_VA]

65. Think back to the fact

that this started in Michigan under the regime of R. Ick Snyder, when Republigoons passed a law that said the state could take over any city that they deemed inefficiently managed financially and install their own executive, whose will superseded that of the democratically elected city officials. They took over several cities in the state this way, mostly majority-Black cities, including, IIRC, Benton Harbor and St. Joseph. I want to say Flint but I'm not sure they got that one. I'm pretty sure ALEC is behind this move. If they can't do it legally, though, they will do it illegally.

[malaise]

66. Excellent reminder

[llmart]

67. +1000

Add to that making Michigan a "right to work" state.

[Ford_Prefect]

68. It doesn't help when the MSM greys the line by sympathizing or presenting their view as an alternate

position to the "mainstream GOP" when it is clear that the GOP national leadership as well as in many GOP dominated states has gone there too.

The GOP has left mainstream conservative voters to hang in the wind or treats them as a given source of votes who have no alternatives. While I am sure there are many who think of themselves as Republican in a conventional sense, as of the last poll they are a large minority within the party and have no real voice in it or in government at any level.

For the Press to treat the party as representative of anyone except their RW paying customers is dishonest, and the MSM know it is, even if they do have groceries to sell with it.

[malaise]

69. THIS

It is truly shocking that Trump is not condemned by M$Greedia - if only he was a Muslim

[Kid Berwyn]

71. That's why bringing in witness testimony was so vital in Impeachment 2.

Remember that GOP Congresswoman who heard Drumpf and McCarthy? Her statement got read into the record. It’d have been a whole lot more effective to have it run on TV for a few days and for ever.

Washington (CNN)In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the US Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump's supporters and begged Trump to call them off.

Trump's comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the then-President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?" according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html

Traitors need to be punished. Otherwise they’ll try again.

[malaise]

72. Great post

Traitors must be punished!

[orangecrush]

73. KICK