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Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:36 PM

I am in a constant struggle with all the electronic crap and "upgrades" that do nothing to improve

my life. Having to buy new printers, phones, hard drives, cloud crap, "life-lock" identity theft protection, phone, internet cable "plans" and contracts? (WTF), passwords in unlimited quantity, spam on phone and internet (despite "no call" registration), etc., etc. It is accelerating and in concert with the other, not insignificant daily issues (mass shootings, rising domestic terrorism, ongoing systemic racism, voter suppression, militarization of police (thanks W for starting that with Iraq war surplus to PD's and returning vets trained to kill becoming cops; sorry personal disdain for the Bush/ Cheney cabal).
NONE of this is improving the quality of our existence. We have a fractured society that is now subject to the propaganda/ misinformation reaching the heavily armed and dis-enfranchised by virtue of the multi media platforms. We can't even agree to wear masks in the face of a global pandemic, let alone agree on the basics like spending on infrastructure, education and the environment. Pitiful. I want my black, 8 pound indestructible rotary phone back (well maybe a "princess" touchtone)..... All done for now.

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Reply I am in a constant struggle with all the electronic crap and "upgrades" that do nothing to improve (Original post)
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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:41 PM

1. Used to have a wall phone. Loved it.

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Response to dchill (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:50 PM

8. Like this?

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Response to El Supremo (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:59 PM

17. My great grandma had one of those.

When you turned the crank all the phones on the line rang.

You identified which neighbor you wanted to call by the pattern of rings. The operator had her own pattern.

It was one big party line. Anyone could pick up and listen.

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Response to El Supremo (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:34 PM

47. Well, no. Mine had the new-fangled rotary dial.

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Response to dchill (Reply #47)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:56 PM

62. We had a new fangled rotary phone with a party line.

Pick up to use the phone and you could hear your neighbor(s) talking to someone else. Now, when I say "neighbor", they could be as much as a mile away. We lived in the country, you see.
Yeah, technology was nice for a little while, but it's gone on entirely too long now. If we could have stopped before cell phones, Facebook, and Twitter, it would have been heavenly. (But mRNA could still be discovered).

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #62)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:14 PM

69. we had a "party line" too! If someone was using the line you waited. How novel! Was that socialism??

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #69)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:28 PM

87. The telephone companies.

Remember when conspiracy theorists thought the phone companies were were spying on us, and collecting all of our information? That was even before the evil interwebs. That was back in the 80s. Everyone collects information on us now, but I still think the telephone companies run the world.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #87)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:43 PM

131. Still hate AT&T. Look at the largest buildings in every major city. Banks and insurance companies.

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Response to El Supremo (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:39 PM

78. I rember that one -

- we had that exact one when I was a kid living on my grandparents farm.

Grandma was real short and could hardly reach it.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:41 PM

2. The world feels to be shrinking

and its inhabitants angrier and its problems worsening by the minute.

There are times when I feel somewhat relived I likely won't be around come mid-century.

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Response to Xavier Breath (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:47 PM

6. Agreed. Live long and prosper. Boston dedicated a Leonard Nimoy day. Totally logical.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:51 PM

10. I was not aware that they had done that

or that he was from Boston. Interesting, thanks.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:42 PM

3. it ESPECIALLY sucks when you deal with it both at work and at home

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:45 PM

5. Amen. I resisted for years to have one in the house and succumbed 14 years ago, to my regret!

Why after being on a computer all day, would I want to come home and start over? It maka no sense, kapish?

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:53 PM

11. I only wish I had just one laptop at work!

because of the nature of my work I have to have more than one! It just sucks keeping up with them AND my laptop at home, and don't even get me started on the HUNDREDS of passwords I have

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:45 PM

4. I know........seriously thinking.....I'M DONE WITH IT ALL......although I do love texting.

but damn, that’s it. I really don’t need anything else.....texting is it for me.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:54 PM

12. I am the opposite. I HATE texting.

 

I like it for the quick "Hi, I am running 10 minutes late" or "How are you doing, let's connect soon" or sending a photo, things like that. But I absolutely hate having conversations via text.

I am very slow at texting and I just find the interface inconvenient and cumbersome. I would rather email or talk on the phone. When people text me, I find that I put off getting back to them until I am in the mood to respond, which can sometimes be a few days. I am not terribly iPhone oriented anyway, and most people know that about me. They are more likely to get a response if they email me because I can type on a keyboard more quickly than I can text.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:59 PM

16. and some just do Facebook and you can't even email them??

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:32 AM

92. As for texting...

i hate it too and avoid it at all costs. But i found that switching my keyboard to Swiftkey made it a little easier for me. It predicts and remembers better and it's almost like a game swiping through the letters to form a word.

As to the OPs main point, i use Macs all the way around and yeah, the updates are coming in fast. Most of them are security and native app updates though and they download themselves, so i'm not bothered.



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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:26 AM

104. I hate texting as well

I see people carrying on long conversations via text when it would be faster and easier to just call the other person.

When it comes to technology, there are things that I love and wouldn't want to do without, but others that are just too much. I love my computer, all my digital cameras and photo software programs, online banking and shopping, but smartphones drive me nuts. Watching a group of people sitting around and staring at their phones, instead of talking to one another is very disturbing. That need to be connected at all times cannot be healthy. "Excuse me, I have to take this" is rarely true. Most calls and messages can wait until later, but there is an unnatural urgency to everything these days and in the process, we end up missing what is actually going on right in front of us.

The worst is seeing young children staring at phones. What do most children need a phone for?

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #104)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:00 PM

111. I agree with you completely in every way!

 

I don't know why people hate the phone so much or feel like you need to answer their text immediately. I rarely look at my phone and I have very clumsy fingers, so texting is very laborious for me. If the answer is complicated, I call them back or email them instead of texting them.

You miss so much by not having that face to face interaction or even hearing the person's voice. I just feel like none of my personality comes through in a text and nor does it feel personal when I receive texts from others. It is my least favorite way to communicate. Don't even get me started on the kids!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #111)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:50 PM

119. I have small hands, but I still have trouble

with texting. Whenever possible I prefer to use a real keyboard. Aside from that, texting still is too impersonal and abrupt.

Add to all this, I don't like talking to stuff. My son loves anything voice activated "Hey Google, what's the weather" or "Hey Google, turn on the lights". I don't mind talking to the dogs or even myself, but not electronics.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #111)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:22 PM

120. I hear ya. I worry about the next gen. They are losing actual interaction. nt

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #120)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:31 PM

124. +1000

And that may be just one of the reasons so many people are stressed out, unhappy, depressed, whatever. They think they're communicating or have 800 "friends", but in reality they're alone and miserable despite the constant chirping of their smartphone.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:26 PM

122. That's exactly how I feel about texting.

I think there are probably times when it's very convenient and helpful such as meeting someone flying in from another state and you have no idea if they're off the plane yet or where you're meeting. In fact, I actually think that's the only times I've ever used text except for one instance of registering at a pharmacy for a vaccine. I have a pay as you go Tracfone. Works for me. If someone wants to tell me something they can email or call on my landline.

I have a landline. It costs me $12 a month. I have unlimited calling. People can call me on that.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:55 PM

13. But you have to be on a "plan" to text. ie. paying more money. I find it convenient as well,

but was pretty happy with just my answering machine. The need for instant communication has always escaped me, except for emergency situations, in which case I acknowledge a basic cell phone is handy. One could say, we would have never known what happened to George Floyd (for example) without cell phone video capability. Sigh.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:25 PM

25. I use a phone GPS but considering getting a regular GPS...and losing the unlimited data...I don't

use it at home ...use internet. I still pay for my adult kids...well that is about to end.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:05 PM

40. That's another issue. I have had multiple GPS's screw up at very inconvenient times. Gimme a map!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:11 PM

115. I have a prepaid flip phone. No credit check, no contract, no plan.

It will take pictures and video but "cloud" data is expensive. I generally download any photos and video I take to my computers using a USB cable.

I've never exceeded the text limit. Text and voice minutes roll over to the next $100 block of service I buy. I have a huge bank of them, about two years of normal use. $100 is the minimum I have to pay annually.

Sending texts is a bit awkward on a flip phone but I've gotten used to the predictive mode. A few taps of the 0-9 keys usually pulls up with the word I'm looking for.

It works for me, possibly because I'm terse talking on the phone or texting.

My wife has a smart phone and is always sending and receiving texts. She uses some sort of shorthand app to compose texts. She's not tapping on each individual letter when she's composing texts.

Her texts to me can be long. Mine will be like "OK"




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Response to hunter (Reply #115)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:54 PM

134. Who's your provider? Sounds pretty good.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #134)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:56 PM

147. We pay 80/mo for two limes...

Unlimited 5G data, no throttling, no caps. Unlimited Texting (no extra plan needed), International access included. 80gb of Hotspot data (no throttling). No contract. Paid 250 for my phone (OnePlus Nord N10 5G)

oh and free Netflix

T-Mobile

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Response to Rosco T. (Reply #147)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 10:45 AM

149. That's a good deal. Thanks for the info. Did the phone come from T-Mobile? I need a new one. OLD LG

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #149)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:42 PM

163. Yup the phone came from T-Mo

third OnePlus phone I've had.. you can get it for 250 outright or 12.50/mo for 24 months

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Response to Rosco T. (Reply #163)

Mon Apr 19, 2021, 06:49 PM

165. Thanks Rosco!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:50 PM

7. David Thoreau said it best:

"Our life is frittered away by detail. Simplify, simplify, simplify! I say, let your affairs be as two or three, and not a hundred or a thousand; instead of a million count half a dozen, and keep your accounts on your thumb-nail.”

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Response to packman (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:57 PM

15. To spend some time at Walden Pond. A worthy aspiration. I try my best.

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Response to packman (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:35 PM

127. Wow.

You don't often hear reference to him as "David Thoreau".

Walden is my all time favorite book and I read an awful lot and have all my life. It's a "bible" for me and guided me very early on in life as to how to live with a smaller footprint on this earth.

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Response to llmart (Reply #127)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:04 PM

137. I left out Henry. Sorry. I have lived it as well. Have you seen "Alone in the Wilderness"?

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #137)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:38 PM

143. Yes, I have.

Isn't that a PBS show from a couple decades ago? At least I'm remembering it that way.

I've practiced voluntary simplicity since I was about 40, though it wasn't completely new to me having grown up in a family where both parents preached nonmaterialism.

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Response to llmart (Reply #143)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:00 PM

145. Yes it was. In Alaska filmed by a man who did it all. Sounds like you had great parents. Salute.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #145)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:13 PM

146. I found him fascinating.

My dream was always to live a life like Thoreau, although having read some biographies about him, he wasn't quite a hermit as he was portrayed to be, especially since they talked about how he used to go home to his mother's house for dinner occasionally.

My parents did a lot of things wrong, but they also got some very basic things right and for that I'm grateful. My father had anger issues and a big mouth and was frightful to me. But he did have some very strong core principles that he tried to teach us. But he certainly wasn't a Ward Cleaver by any means. More of an Archie Bunker.

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Response to llmart (Reply #146)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 10:19 AM

148. Mine was a very self-absorbed artist! Gratefully he was fairly liberal and a Dem. WWII vet. GI

bill allowed him to get an MFA degree. Also worked in Civilian Conservation Corp in the 1930's in Adirondacks. That was character builder and benefitted the family (they all sent money home) and the country. I think he wanted to be a hermit instead of raising us though.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:50 PM

9. And Get off My Lawn, You Kids!

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:55 PM

14. Oh that just hurts. And the same goes for your little dog too!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:06 PM

18. I want my vcr recorder back

In the 80's I would come home from work and watch my shows and fast forward the commercials.

Now because we cut the cord I have antenna and no way to record shows unless I buy expensive machine and pay a monthly fee.

I have Netflix, Prime, Hulu and HBO but will spend sometimes a hour finding something decent to watch.

Cells are nice if your traveling alone in a car far from a city, but my 93 yr old mom who great grand daughter taught her to text, sends me one after another every day and wonders where I am if I don't respond right away.

I loved my old apple computer I bought in 2008 that must have been a good year because it still works but gets hot and security won't update so I bought new one which has no cd, dvd player like old one.

I just finally finished updating 100's of passwords, nothing was quick and many won't take the suggested one from my computer so had to think of new different ones.

I have worked with computers since the 80's and the latest I am not impressed at all but then I don't play computer games and maybe thats what new ones are good at.

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Response to Tree Lady (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:25 PM

26. Agree.

It pisses me to no end that we have the technology to have one website where you could log in and stream any movie or TV show ever created whenever you want. I would cheerfully pay $100ish dollars a month for this.

But because of capitalism we have seven gazillion different sites which all only have a few things I want to watch and no guarantee from month to month that they will be accessible and none of them ever seem to have foreign language films or films more than ten years old.

I don't browse or channel surf. I have a list of movies and/or shows I want to watch. And I waste hours trying to find who actually has that show or movie and half the time none of them do. I know I can find pirated versions but I actually do want to support the artists if they didn't make it flipping impossible.

I think everything more than ten years old should be public domain and available for free through the library websites.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:53 PM

59. Can't you get Kanopy

free through your library? If you like old films, that's the best. The Mummy, old noir, all kinds of docs. and FREEEEEE

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Response to Tree Lady (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:29 PM

27. Play on has a small lifetime fee and you can record antenna shows and even if you have say Hulu

or Netflix-...you can save the shows you watch...to any sort of thumb drive or storage device. It works very well. I am pretty sure you can record free channels like CW as well. Check it out...used it for years to record my favorite old movie...like 'The uninvited' set in the 40's and old Doris Day movies off of You Tube.

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Response to Tree Lady (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:06 PM

41. Still use our VCR and turntable (vinyl just sounds better)

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Response to Tree Lady (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:11 PM

112. Have you seen VCR-quality video side-by-side with current tech?

VCR picture quality was TERRIBLE, even compared to current non-high-def DVD video, or standard-def cable channels (that aren't over compressed).

I've worked with computers as a programmer since the 70s, using everything back to punch cards and paper tape and teletypes and the original Apple II... and I'm ENORMOUSLY impressed with how much the technology has advanced since then.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:09 PM

19. Ironic OP given your username.

Perhaps try cutting back on social media and also turn off the cell phone unless you have a vital need.

I have never had a landline phone in my homes in my life other than a few years at my parents, but that went away in 2001, when I was 4 or 5 and they got broadband in London. My grandparents still had landlines for several years after that, but not anymore either. I personally see no point to a landline residental phone at all. I have never had a situation in my life where I needed one. I suppose it is an age cohort thing.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:30 PM

28. My wish to "evolve" involves moving towards a more tolerant society based on acceptance of other

beliefs and cultures that are non-violent. Zero to do with "tech" which is not needed in that endeavor.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:55 PM

39. fair enough

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Response to Celerity (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:35 PM

29. Landlines were significantly cheaper and the idea you have to be available 24/7 has led to

employee abuse. So there is good and bad in every thing. I love tech and was one of those 80's kids hacking with phones and would continue today if I could...but alas, one will end up in jail. Also, there is less community stuff. My parents bowled and went to parties and various events...played bridge went to clubs etc. People are very isolated now and social media is a poor substitute. I think this is why so many crazy conspiracy theories are all over the place. And the effect on kids is hard too...if you are teased and I moved a great deal was always the new kid, you have to put up with harassment all the time...even when school is over...I still think we are better off with tech than without. We are amazingly informed (if we want to be). But I can see why some miss the old days. I love my computer and phone and all the gadgets I own...

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:54 PM

38. good points, & COVID's certainly exacerbated the trend toward atomisation & isolation for many

We try and have as much in-person interaction in our lives as possible.

Social media has made the spread of CT amazingly worse.

cheers

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:18 PM

43. It's not that I don't want to be informed. There is plenty to choose from. But I thought between

the three major networks, PBS, with radio BBC, NYT, WP AP print media I thought that was adequate.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:39 PM

130. We had rolling blackouts back in the early 2000's.

No one's cell phone worked but my trusty landline did.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:10 PM

20. I lead a fairly simple life by choice and always have.

But I have become even more committed to it. I have a low tolerance for useless distractions and become anxious when my senses are "overloaded." But even so, I still feel the stress you're talking about.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:11 PM

21. Funny thing is that I'm 75 years old, and love all that technology.

I'm in the middle of a complicated estate settlement, as executor and trustee. If it were not for all of that tech, I'd just be getting started, instead of almost finished with it.

I'm using my PC, my cellphone, a scanner, and vast amounts of cloud storage to keep track of hundreds of documents and to communicate with dozens of people, government agencies, and companies. Some want texts. Others want emails, and still others only use Facebook. I have signed scores of documents using DocuSign, and scan several things a day into pdf files to avoid mail delays.

Technology is wonderful if you master it and use it intelligently.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:21 PM

24. Have you been hacked? We have suffered multiple data breeches at home and at work. It's good

until it isn't.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:38 PM

33. Nope. Never. I am very, very careful.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:27 PM

45. So are we. So far, Equifax, Target, Home Depot, Blue Cross and credit card hacks. Someone in UK did

a cash advance for 2500 bucks. The cc companies are understanding of the fraud, but they are powerless. It is increasing, almost impossible to track and forget prosecution. Imbedded chips help, but hackers will catch up. It is rampant in our experience and we are careful. We do no on-line banking or patient portal crap. There is just so much of your info "out there" despite all the privacy statements etc. that the companies can't control the hacking that flows to the dark side. That said, I'm glad you have been unscathed to date!

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:36 PM

31. This is quite right. It has made our lives easier in many ways.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:27 PM

86. Well, your background was in IT! Nt

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #86)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:52 AM

96. It was, but only sort of.

I'm a magazine writer. I switched from writing articles about woodworking to writing for computer magazines in the mid-80s.

That happened because an editor supplied me with a PC Clone and Microsoft Word 1.0 for DOS. I got distracted by the computer. I finished the book, but then took six months off to dive into PC technology. Then, I started writing articles to help people use their computers and the software on them.

I'm completely self-taught. Even though I once owned a one-person software company and did everything from coding to sweeping the floor, I would not call myself an IT person. I'm a writer. I just like to learn stuff.

On the other hand, I took my first and only computer programming class in 1963, learning Fortran by punching IBM cards for an IBM 1620 owned by the university I attended. I dropped out, joined the USAF, and then got a degree in English after my enlistment.

So, my background isn't in IT. Not at all, but I have been around IT since the 1980s.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #96)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:24 AM

98. Interesting.........

My first program was run on an IBM 1620.

It was for a computer class my sophomore year of high school. Punchcards of course.

Then my junior and senior year we used an IBM 360.

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #98)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:22 AM

103. The first program I had to do was one that

calculated and approximation of pi by creating a many-sided polygon within a circle. I think I had to redo it about 10 times before it compiled correctly. Put me right off programming, until I had a PC so I could test my code on immediately.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #103)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:36 AM

109. Yes, I don't miss those days! Nt

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #96)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 10:55 AM

150. Ug. Hated Fortran and Cobal. Dropped the class. Sounds like you enjoyed it. More power to ya!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #150)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 10:59 AM

152. I didn't enjoy it at the time, but it introduced me to

computers, and set me up for what was to come a couple of decades later.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #152)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:27 AM

159. It's just interesting what people gravitate toward, embrace or just tolerate. Not sure when I

became a militant Luddite, but perhaps it was that very class! I come from a long line of Luddites, which hasn't helped much. I have friends in IT and various scientific endeavors who I respect very much. I conclude we are all wired a bit differently, and I guess that's what keeps life interesting.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #159)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:32 AM

160. Well, I'm not a Luddite, by any means.

I tend to adopt technology that is useful to me, and learn about it so I can move away from being a novice. Besides, I find that learning about new technologies or new scientific information is interesting and helps feed my need to learn.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:06 AM

93. We don't love maintaining it, but we love having it to use.

Just did some shopping from my armchair, choosing from many nice selections that would have been unimaginable, completely impossible!, when I was younger. My husband just tested out Zoom because a friend is having his 90th birthday party this afternoon; so many of us are scattered around different states, a couple still in Thailand where they go every winter, but we expect to see each other there.

The frustration of the day is our password saver, which isn't. It's kind of hard to hand enter symbols we've never seen before in a 20-digit computer-generated string.

I will admit here, though not to her, that the computerized foaming hand soap dispenser our daughter decided we needed is a bit much. It's not on line (why not?!), so my husband actually had to call customer service when it started spitting soap every time we went in the powder room. Turned out it just needed rebooting.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #93)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:54 AM

97. What I like best of all is instant access to information about anything.

That, and being able to edit text instantly.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #97)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:41 AM

99. Yes, yes, yes! And, yes! Information availability is magnificent.

Even if malignant use of the internet is dangerously out of control now, the information age is an enormous gift to humanity. And what we're doing with it already is far too big and profound for me to encompass, just know it's happening.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #99)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:28 AM

106. In 1971, I was doing research for my Master's thesis.

The title of the thesis was "Whitman's Unpaid Debt to Emerson." That involved many, many days of hours spent in the university library, poring through old literary journals, Ralph Waldo Emerson's multi-volume journals, and specially ordering books through the library.

I told my thesis adviser that within 25 years or so, such research could be done on a personal computer while sitting in your underwear in your house. "Ridiculous!" the adviser said. "That will never happen."

In the mid-1990s, I ran into that professor again. He remembered my prediction and allowed as how I had been correct. Today, it is even easier than in those early days of the Internet.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #106)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:14 PM

141. Marvelous story. I didn't go on for a master's but I absolutely

remember ordering books through the library for papers. So exciting to browse the interlibrary loan systems for possibilities. Until I got busy and learned to choose my topics based on sources in my college library. After all, they weren't important theses.

I've lost a lot of my attention span due to health reasons, a real shame because in earlier years I would have chosen the kinds of topics I once read everything I could find about -- but immersed in them via the internet at home. Maybe kick something off with an intriguing MOOC, discussing the subject with students who sign up for them from around the world.

We're living in times of great wonders and blessings.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:14 PM

22. You're not alone. The shit keeps growing.

Yesterday I came across something about Malcom X. Though I didn't quite get the context, it referenced his possessions as "a pair of glasses, a watch and a suitcase." Sounds like a start.

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Response to yonder (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:13 PM

140. Motorcycle and toothbrush. OK cash too!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:36 PM

30. I mostly just laugh and count all the money I didn't waste on it.

Smart refrigerators? Really? How hard is it to keep track of what's in your fridge and write a shopping list on a notepad so you can take it to the store with you. If the app takes longer than pen and paper why are people spending thousands on it?

The most asinine "smart technology" I've seen is a tray with a computer chip that can keep track of how many eggs you have left in it. What's next? Smart toilets?

I'm also an old crank about Alexa, Siri and all the similar recording devices people insist on installing in their own homes. Why are the best and brightest in our society working on problems like how to avoid reaching up and using the light switch manually or opening your computer/phone and just googling shit instead of working on world hunger, anti-aging medicine, the next pandemic, and climate change?

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:38 PM

32. I like Siri for playing music in the car. I have apple music (an indulgence I know) and I

just pick any song and say hey Siri play xyz. I would not want a 'smart house'. People who have smart houses were out of luck when there was a cell tower outage and they couldn't unlock stuff or regulate their heat. My daughter and her boyfriend installed this thing where if they are out and the sensor can tell then the goes down to 55. Well they were gone for a night and came home to two cold angry cats. The sensor couldn't pick them up.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:30 PM

46. I actually enjoy pulling Alexa's plug from the wall. She's a spy.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:47 PM

80. The most asinine "smart technology" I've seen is something that smells the coffee beans & alerts

you when the beans are no longer at their peak of bean-ness, so you can throw out all your coffee beans and go buy new ones.

And then there are those “disruptor” dweebs we see hauled out in front of us as “innovators” because they have figured out how to eliminate an entire class of workers by flogging out some new “disruptive” concept that they hope will make them billionaires.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #80)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:01 AM

154. Now that's ridiculous. Like your tag line about Repugs BTW!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:39 PM

34. Back in my day....

 

Every generation has the same gripe. The new fangled thingy-bobs are unnecessary and are the root of what is wrong with the world....
I will make the same statements one day I am sure.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:48 PM

35. My Mother wouldn't let us have TV...I mean everyone else in the world had TV...but she

believed it rotted your brain. As teens we finally got one...in the living room. Mom and Dad picked the shows too. I have a TV in the living room, den, bedroom and one guest room! When my kids were young they all had TV's in their room. I did restrict the amount they could watch and the content when they were young.

But I know my son looked a porn as a teen because he got the blue screen of death and I had to use Linux to save his files and there were some he said don't look Mom...hehe. Kids they think they invented sex. All my kids like to read too.

But the good side of how I was raised is that we are all great readers...and would read the cereal box if there was nothing else available. I am one of five kids.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:39 PM

49. same here! Didn't have a TV in the house until I bought one at age 13 for school (OK and Gilligan's

Island). And yes, I read all the time. Didn't hurt me none, far as I know!

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:52 PM

36. My Father despaired of the 'new generation'...'bunch of half wits'...he would mutter.

And yet every kid in the neighborhood knew he would help them if they needed it...he was the kind of Dad who bought the entire soccer team ice cream, gave out odd jobs to kids who needed money, picked up stranded kids and actually talked and listened to my friends. They adored him. Sometimes I think they like him better than me.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:35 PM

48. My Mom was in her 80's and she'd say to me while we watched a commerical full of special effects and

bizzare BS; "I don't know what the hell they're talking about anymore." Usually it was a car ad or something. During the recent Oprah interview with Harry and Meghan, Brits were aghast at our drug ads, because they don't have any of that crap. "Side effects may include sudden death".. Gimme a break. They were incredulous.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 07:54 PM

37. +1!!! This stuff was supposed to be time saving!

Now on call 24/7/365. We do not think about the downsides of new technology. Things were less hectic and stressful back in the day. I have made your lament myself many times.

Going home from getting take out to my visiting 10 year old great nephew who is morbidly obese and eats junk while playing video games.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:12 PM

42. I hear your frustration.

You sound like you could use a news break, and more rest.

Much of it's out of our control, so our job is to remain aware but know that all the fracturing was always there, just revealed by covid and four years of fear and hate that had been outside media radar.

Now we know. That's enough. The quality of our existence is improving in spite of all that.
We have 220,000,000 shots in arms, science, good government, millions of helpful people in both who helped get us here. The "we" who don't appreciate these things are not the 81 million we, and the Gallup polled we, who are all positive about Biden and the changes they've seen.

Take heart. Maybe read "The Code Breaker" a book on reality with a happy ending. It's a real experience that'll give you hope for the future we envision.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:42 PM

51. Thanks. Yeah, I'm pretty saturated after the last 4 years...Is that the Navajo code breakers?

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:53 PM

81. No, it's about the woman who mapped RNA and thereby enabled RNA vaccines.

Because of her map of RNA, science can understand how microbes immunize themselves, and now scientists can follow the microbial CRSPR system and take it from there.
She opened the map of life and got the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for that.
I'm no scientist, but this book reveals the best reasons why they don't do it for the money.
(sorry this is so big, but it's the only photo I could find)

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Response to ancianita (Reply #81)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:23 PM

121. Thank you so much. That is very interesting.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:20 PM

44. I hear ya

My first smart phone is a challenge. Every time I turn it on it starts to download something. The internet button always goes to the same page and I don't know how to escape that. I don't yet have a Google account. And the Samsung manual downloads every time I want to know something. There's some Samsung guy on YouTube teaching all the latest Apps for all Samsung, but 2 year old model can't do any of it. Call me month-to-month on it. I can renew for a month every 90 days and not lose my phone number. I much prefer a computer, and Linux is my choice there. but the phone is not helping me at all.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:52 PM

58. Spam ware, bloat ware (WTF?) running in the background even if you have good virus/ spam filters

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #58)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:20 PM

71. money maker for nothing!

 

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #58)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:17 PM

85. Now

may I make the pitch about why the Apple iPhone is worth every penny by saving you from all that? When I got it as a gift in 2007 I used PC operating systems (Dell and VAIO) but after checking out 'The Missing Manual' (Amazon) on Macs (you can get one for the iPhone, too), I got a Mac Book Pro and never had a minute of worry about ads, blockers, or any other security issues ever again. When you consider that they last beyond the 2-3 year lifespan of pc's, the cost is SO much less; mine still runs well after 12 years. Not to mention that for 12 years it saved me all the daily frazzle, added to my quality of life so much that I'd even call them the best tech investment one could make.

Free lessons at Apple stores. Nice, smart, kind young people who explain every single little thing you don't know.

End of pitch.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #85)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:18 AM

90. Not sure what you do or don't use your Mac for, but I've found ...

the Macs I own can't upgrade to newer OS's, the OSX installer disks I have won't work with new Mac models, and I can't run newer applications on either one, because older OSX is not supported by developers. My old desktop iMac all-in-one can't even run newer Firefox, and Web pages are increasingly incompatible with older browsers. To be fair ... that particular model is more like 15 yo .... but Apple's turn toward upgrade incontinence has turned me off to future Mac purchases. I might purchase one more Mac within my lifetime, but I'm in no hurry to do so.

I started using Macs beginning around the System5 to System6 transition, and I have not been happy with the transition to YA Unix implementation, even when I have used the very "Unixy" features. I miss the old "insanely great" atmosphere that surrounded the classic Mac OS.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #90)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:35 AM

108. My iMac has reached the end of its upgradeability, and

its not even that old. I tried to go up from High Sierra to Mohave in order to do my taxes on Turbo Tax (that OS was required) and learned that I couldn't do it. I'll have to do the taxes on TT's online version and that seems slightly risky.

As for phones, I stupidly ditched my reliable landline to go to all-cell. I can barely make or receive a phone call since the wifi reception is so poor at my house. I'm going to spend the afternoon installing a wifi "booster" to see if that helps. So I have an expensive cell phone plus an expensive "booster" that are replacing my good old landline.

Not everything is an improvement.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #90)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:46 AM

110. Well,

you started way before me. My old Mac Book Pro (they might not even make them anymore) has upgraded from Leopard to Yosemite to El Capitan (about 9 upgrades) and now High Sierra, fourth below the highest upgrade. I'll try for Mojave, but it might not work; I'll see. The browser seems to work fine, and though I thought of getting an Air for a minute, decided against it.

Unix, eh? You're way ahead of me, though my understanding is that the MacOS is one version of Unix. My son, an IT expert, uses Unix and Linux stuff but I don't see what I would need it for.

Yah, I came late in the 'insanely great' period, but I appreciate its superior engineering. It's probably just the inertia of familiarity, but I hope not to have to get another in my lifetime, either.







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Response to ancianita (Reply #85)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:38 PM

129. appreciated!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:41 PM

50. Laundry phone?

Got a note from the property owners advising that they are going to be upgrading our laundry rooms. Yay. Then they asked how we would prefer to pay to operate the machines, with a prepaid card or a phone app that would deduct the expense from our bank accounts.

My immediate choice was the prepaid card, I just couldn't see connecting a washing machine to my bank in order to wash my undies. The property manager told me that she made the same choice and is encouraging other tenants to do likewise, especially since many of the tenants don't have phones that could do the job, and others still have only landline phones.

Until they install the new machines I'll keep stashing quarters. But I'm ticked at the nearby carwash that installed a new bill changer that dispenses tokens instead of quarters. Now I gotta go all the way to the bank.


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Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:47 PM

55. Jeezus Peezus. Quarters please! Retina scan linked to bank account to utilize washing machine??

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:52 PM

57. My car wash had those annoying special tokens, and

operating on what I thought was brilliant foresight, I bought a tin of them so I’d not have to deal with all the inherent variables: do I have appropriate bill demonination? In enought quantity? Is the machine out of tokens? Are my bills not being read for some reason?

I approached the car wash, feeling secure and superior as usual, knowing I had a large zippered thingie with tons of those things ready to go. Then wait .. what? The car wash was gone! Levelled! Drove across town to one that also took tokens but ... theirs were, sob, different.

I’m old enough to know things don’t stay the same, but too old to remember that reality.

I need to stop buying green bananas.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:44 PM

52. Evolve Dammit

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:49 PM

56. With all due respect to Cayuga Falls (or Watkins Glenn) screw it.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #56)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:03 PM

66. All said while typing on a computer and communicating with thousands, I meant no disrespect.

Technology is a rock, albeit a better one.

There is nothing about technology that imposes itself on the user without the users consent and that consent has been given freely since the first time a person typing up a letter on a computer realized that there was no reason to completely start over or spend 20 minutes with white out to get some document to her file.

Now if the boss asked for multiple copies, that was an entirely different story and hassle involving multiple people and several hours, now you simply click an up arrow to adjust the number of copies desired.

Not only has productivity increased but so has the collective brain power of the average connected individual. Some may scoff at the idea, but easy access to written material without waiting weeks for a particular treatment to arrive for use from the local library has actually sped up the ability to learn more, faster. Doctors benefit from the connected age in that new information is readily available and this leads to better care in a more timely fashion, thus saving lives.

Sure you can use a rock to carve your name in another rock, or you could design a 3D printed model, print it using one of many variety of materials that will last for quite sometime and have a really nice work all in the same amount of time it took the caveman to use that rock.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #66)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:10 PM

68. "There is nothing about technology that imposes itself on the user without the users consent..."

You sure about that? I know many seniors who cannot keep up with the ever-increasing electronic demands from multiple entities that they are not able to meet.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #68)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:21 PM

73. Like what? Paper forms exist for almost all things that Seniors need, you just gotta ask.

Tax forms?

For tax forms:

Local post office.

Medicare?

1-800-MEDICARE (1-800-633-4227)
TTY
1-877-486-2048

Medicaid?

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services
7500 Security Boulevard
Baltimore, Maryland 21244-1850

Toll-Free: 877-267-2323
Local: 410-786-3000
TTY Toll-Free: 866-226-1819
TTY Local: 410-786-0727

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #68)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:41 AM

95. Meanwhile, lack of access to the internet as a basic utility

is a national disgrace that imposes (sometimes lethal) hardships on those who don't have it. Genuine hardships. This administration will do its best to fix something that's now part and parcel of old-fashioned problems like poverty, hunger, deprivations of all kinds.

We complain about multiple entities, but how about the toll of time and labor from walking several blocks to the nearest laundromat after taking the bus to and from work, after getting off near the nearest store, which has the nearest pay phone to use to call the gas company it if wasn't already closed, and then after walking home with groceries to make dinner and check homework?

Though these days I spend too much time growling from the comfort of my armchair at a program that's not working, it's been decades since I drove across town and stood in line to pay a bill because it was too late to mail payment.

But hey -- why not simplify your life? Turn it all off and walk away for a while? It's spring outside.


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Response to Hortensis (Reply #95)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:50 PM

133. Thank you. You are correct. I just find it intruding on our lives from so many angles. Happy Spring

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:46 PM

53. well ,this is what i said !

 


i started building cell tower sites way back when ya had to carry a damn car battery pac to power the phone. Verizon share's was penny stock's damn near. was a tower hand & built radio an tower's . they thought ted ted turner & his cable tv was a joke . won't fly worth a crap with the American public. computer's won't let people use their damn brain. is true, most people can't even make change for a damn dollar without a smart phone . their car crap's out , first thing they do get on a damn cell phone & google. if isolated they are screwed . so , if you think we have a smart society in America , you better do some re-thinking ! ol' saying is - use damn brain's instead of ass !

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Response to monkeyman1 (Reply #53)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:57 PM

63. Yep. I worry about our ability to cope as we have lost many valuable skills and knowledge.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #63)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:15 PM

70. agree'd

 

just hope kid's now a day's will soon realize this ! just hope not late for the ol' folk don't give up !

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Response to monkeyman1 (Reply #70)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:21 PM

72. Don't think they could survive without electronics for navigation, (air, water) etc.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:46 PM

54. Computers were supposed to make life easier,

more efficient, and save us time and money.

Now life is more complex and more expensive, and we have no real downtime.

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Response to Demobrat (Reply #54)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:54 PM

60. More succinctly said than my rant! It is a major time sucker. No humans needed, except to pay $.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:07 PM

83. I'm a writer by trade. When my IBM selectric (yes, I'm that old)

needed work, I took a minute to change the ribbon. When my computer at work has an issue, I call the IT department, wait in a queue for 45 minutes, then spend another 30 minutes on the phone with a tech.

Even changing my password is an ordeal.

Work sharing used to involve putting a piece of paper in a folder and handing the folder to a person.

Now we use a software program that requires multiple training sessions and a 20-page manual. When the program goes down (happens on a regular basis), work cannot move forward until the techs can fix it.

Call me a Luddite, but I fail to see the value. Except, of course, to the multitudes of people the company employs to keep the systems up and running.

There’s that.

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Response to Demobrat (Reply #83)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:30 PM

114. I'm pathetic with a typewriter

I make far too many typos to not have cut-and-paste and a delete key handy.

Maybe if I were forced to deal with older tech my typing would improve, but I suspect I'd be going through a few bottles of white-out per week if I typed as much on paper as I type into computers and phones.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #114)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:16 PM

116. It's not the word processing that's the problem.

It’s everything that happens after that. Attaching a file to an email and hitting send was way too easy.

Now we have to have a system that requires an entire technical support group to push paper from one desk to another.

Because reasons.

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Response to Demobrat (Reply #83)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:35 PM

126. I agree. My job only required a word processor (or selectric) for letters. Changed dramatically.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:55 PM

61. Most identity protection services are utter bullshit.

Lifelock was a joke until they got bought by Symantec / Norton. Now they're slightly less of a joke, but still a joke. And Norton is still kind of a joke when there's much better anti-virus software out there. Same with companies like Experian - they're really selling an invisible product.

And yeah the constant upgrading is infuriating. But what's even more infuriating is the constant updating - I swear, everything I own that has an operating system gets updates after updates, and it is so maddening.

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Response to Initech (Reply #61)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:00 PM

65. Right. And you have to try to scrutinze what is legit or possibly spam/hack attempt.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #65)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:54 PM

89. My theory about scammers is that there are a *LOT* of them out there.

And you do have a right to be paranoid about them, and like crooks they can strike at any time. Only they use a different weapon - instead of bullets or baseball bats, their weapon is your computer and your credit cards and bank accounts.The thing is you just got to be careful - don't trust anything you get that's not from someone you know or already subscribe to, and don't click on anything that might even be remotely suspicious. Just block that stuff and report it to your e-mail provider. Most have tools for that sort of thing.

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Response to Initech (Reply #89)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:47 PM

132. We're good about that. Anti-virus, don't click on stuff, etc. Credit card fraud has been rampant

and has happened to us 4-5 times. We are never liable because the fraud is obvious to the CC companies. Don't do any on-line banking or any financial transactions.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:59 PM

64. The fracturing of which you speak has been a long time coming.

My parents used to give me a subscription to Newsweek as a stocking stuffer every Xmas, and by FAR the most memorable article of all of those issues was about this very subject. This was in the 1970s!!!

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Response to BobTheSubgenius (Reply #64)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:04 PM

67. 20 years ago I heard that all combined "technology" was doubling every 8 years. Try to keep up.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #67)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:24 PM

75. walk out a store with a lap & next day it's out of date ! duh !

 

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:24 PM

74. I have gone from a party line to VOIP

My phone is no better. WTF?

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:27 PM

76. What's a VOIP? See! Another new acronym.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #76)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:13 PM

84. VOIP - Voice Over Internet Protocol

Lets you route voice over an internet connection, wired or wireless without having to screw with massive switches or PBX's.. Cheaper, faster and more efficient...

and has been around since 1973. Hardly 'new'

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Response to Rosco T. (Reply #84)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 01:23 AM

91. In rural places like where I live, it's pretty modern

Yes, I live an easy 90 minute commute to Microsoft. 2 hours home. It's still a crappy way to talk to the world.

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Response to Rosco T. (Reply #84)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:37 PM

128. '73?? I need a horse, tablet and chisel. So sad.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:36 PM

88. I have to disagree on Skype/VOIP.

I went to college at the opposite end of the country from where I grew up and remember getting $100-150 a month phone bills just to call home a few times a week.

I've been living overseas for the past twenty years or so and Skype saves me a bundle. There's a lot of people I would have completely lost contact with if I had to pay the kinds of overseas phone charges they were getting away with back in the 90s.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #88)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:05 AM

155. This is a good example of positive tech. improvement

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:37 PM

77. The laptop I'm using right now is 11 years old and still going strong.

It appears that you are letting advertising determine your purchasing decisions.

I myself love the modern technology. YouTube alone has saved me hundreds by giving me the instructions on how to fix my own appliances. My extended family is spread all over the country and several are overseas and Facebook allows me almost instant communication with all of them.

The basic geometry classes I took at the free, on line Khan Academy was very helpful in giving me the tools to lay out my vegetable garden and fruit orchard.

Google maps has been fantastic in giving me direction on how to get to places. With Google Earth, I can get a good visual on points of reference at places I never have been to before and well before I actually travel there.

DU is my one stop shopping for news and discussions about current events.

My wife has some serious medical issues and the texting feature on our smart phones allows us to keep in constant communication with each other when I'm not home.

My wife and I love to binge watch tv series for our evening entertainment. We are into season 2 of the Blacklist now.

Shopping on the internet offers a much greater and often cheaper variety of products and it's delivered to our door. No need for 90 mile round trips and spending the day stopping at a number of stores.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #77)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:47 PM

79. Glad it's all working well for you!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #79)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:02 PM

82. I'm 62 and really love the modern technology.

My mother and paternal grandmother wouldn't have died in their 40's had they had the medical technology we have today.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #82)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:32 PM

125. not debating medical advances; added years to my parents lives. Our corporate health care system

sucks for average consumers with escalating deductibles, co-pays, non-covered treatments and soaring costs. 35 other countries don't have this issue. This has happened in the last 30 years. We used to have really good health care insurance; no longer in our experience. Glad you're satisfied!

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #77)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:42 AM

100. Which OS are you running?

If you don't keep everything simpl, Windows 10 can become painful to use on any machine with less than 4 GB ram and 128 GB hard drive.

An eleven year old machine was probably sold with Windows 7 which is no longer supported by Microsoft.

A machine designed for Windows 7 will run Linux well.

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Response to hunter (Reply #100)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:57 AM

101. Windows 10

I'll keep that in mind about Linux.

I don't do much on the laptop. Browse the internet, get yahoo mail, pay bills on line, watch YouTube videos and such.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #77)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:21 PM

113. Moore's Law ain't what it used to be when it comes to laptops and PCs

In 2001 an 11-year-old computer from 1990 would have been hopelessly antique.

In 2021, an 11-year-old computer, especially if it was top-of-the-line in 2010, isn't that bad at all.

Most of the advances in the past decade or so have been in making low-power mobile processors faster, and increasing the numbers of processors and cores. There's still a lot of code that runs at single-core speed, however, that can't take advantage of multiple cores, so in a lot of cases the speed and performance increases over the past 11 years haven't been that earth-shattering.

Cheaper, bigger SSDs have helped disk-intensive stuff speed up fair amout.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:13 AM

94. My gripe is with web sites that become unusable after myriad redesigns

Over the past decade there has been a big movement to take perfectly awesome web sites and navigation tools and redesign them past the point of no return. Removing functions and concealing navigation tools (not to mention seriously degrading the content) has given much of the internet a corporatized, dumbed down feel.

This happens with content providers, many interactive sites, and most merchants that provide vital services.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #94)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:01 PM

136. good insight. It changes so rapidly that good models are discarded for "new" not improved.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:17 AM

102. It occurred to me this morning that the most uplifting part of this whole week has been

the Royal funeral. That's just sick. And I totally agree with you on the phones. Modern phones - landlines - feel more like holding a hairbrush than a telephone. Ours drives me nuts because every so often it seems to like to erase everything it's supposed to do on it's own. I've got an old touchtone in the kitchen that I like better than the new gizmos. And don't get me started on the cell . . .

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Response to Vinca (Reply #102)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:58 PM

135. I found the funeral very comforting as well. Some normalcy in an insane world.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:27 AM

105. I feel you. I just spent a week switching cell phone companies

and still haven't gotten all the bugs out.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:35 AM

107. Is someone forcing you to write this rant on your computer or smart phone?

FWIW - I have been using computers since the Apple Iie. There have been gargantuan increases in productivity as memory, processing speed, application features and storage capabilities improved in that time. The reality is that, as technology has improved, the speed at which improvements are made has increased.

Every older technology device would do today exactly what it did when you first bought it. (I have a fully functioning Apple Newton from the 1990s). But what people seem to want is all the latest features WITH the old technology. That's not how things work.

As for your rotary telephone; what about the good old days when the Operator put your call through for you? Of course you sometimes had to wait for a call to be booked, but who cares about needless progress?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #107)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:26 PM

118. One of these days I'm going to build a candlestick phone with an AI operator.

wikipedia

I'll pick it up, tap the receiver cradle a few times to alert the operator, and ask them to connect me with whoever I want to talk to.

I've seen people do this with their "smart speakers" but it sort of scares me.

I want a phone that is hung up and disconnected when I hang it up, not some machine that is always listening.


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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:17 PM

117. "Get off my lawn kid!11"

That seems to be the motif of many of the responses.

My personal faves: the rant about smart refrigerators and the Luddite who wants their VCR back.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:06 PM

138. I would be thrilled to go back to having one telephone

in my house. If someone calls while I'm out they'd just have to wait and try again later. Even my daughter agrees with me. This is all just getting so out of hand and invasive.

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Response to kskiska (Reply #138)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:11 PM

139. It was just easier. If you're not home, call back. Answering machines are helpful to screen the crap

Emergencies can be dealt with with a pay as you go cell with the number given only to your loved ones. Easy, and not too much $. We call it the "bat phone." God, I'm getting old!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #139)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:34 PM

142. I AM old already, heading for 77.

Our lives were so much less stressful back then. People are getting meaner and meaner. Technology has definitely affected human interaction.

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Response to kskiska (Reply #142)

Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:58 PM

144. That's for darn sure. Love my neighbors but rarely communicate. Hang in there!

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Response to kskiska (Reply #142)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 10:58 AM

151. My mother is 82 and works heavily with computers...

Doesn't stop her from "interacting".

It DOES allow her to run seminars with people from around the world.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #151)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:14 AM

156. That is a great example. Neither of my parents or siblings wanted anything to do with computers. By

comparison, I'm Bill Gates. I try to strike a balance. I think Amazon is here with my new printer! Old HP having "print head issues" and nobody repairs. Toss and pay! OK, I will recycle...

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:00 AM

153. I've got a place near me that makes sabots the old fashioned way. Shall I order you some?



Seriously though, the tech can be overwhelming, and I do understand. I'm glad to be able to video call friends in the US, learn French and Latin on line, manage my bank and credit cards, and navigate back roads with an inbuilt GPS.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #153)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:18 AM

157. which sabot? See below. Size 11 ought to work. Do they come with insoles? No need of the other!

a kind of simple shoe, shaped and hollowed out from a single block of wood, traditionally worn by French and Breton peasants.

a device which ensures the correct positioning of a bullet or shell in the barrel of a gun, attached either to the projectile or inside the barrel and falling away as it leaves the muzzle.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #157)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:38 AM

161. The shoes - Or espadrilles are available as well.

Comfy in the summer.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:25 AM

158. Nothing is wrong with the technology...it's a User issue...

I'm in the middle of a move, and having to go through each room and toss stuff..
It's emotional, but also I marvel about how rapidly the technology changed in the decades I've been here..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #158)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:05 PM

162. Good luck with the move. I just cleaned out 4 generations and it was a 2 year process. Emotional is

right. I tried to find good homes for the things that others would care about. Not easy. Some people can just pitch. I am not like that. Wish I was. It would be easier.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:05 PM

164. People living in the moment

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