The FBI already HAS Hunter Biden's Laptop...

[WarGamer]

Wtf with Rudy G?

The FBI subpoenaed a Laptop from a Delaware Computer shop in 2019, widely believed to belong to Hunter Biden.

CNN reported that it's unclear if the Laptop contains evidence to support the ongoing criminal investigations re: Biden's foreign business dealings... with China and Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/02/politics/hunter-biden-laptop/index.html

[PortTack]

1. Lies...just lies

[WarGamer]

2. Which lies?

[tanyev]

3. Yeah, but they don't have the hard drives that a Russian operative gave Rudy,

clearly labeled “FOR REAL HARD DRIVE OF HUNTER BIDEN NO JOKE”. Totally legit.

[tikka]

6. Sounds like something from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show. Oh, Boris and Natasha!

[Effete Snob]

4. It has never been established where that laptop came from

"Hunter Biden's Laptop" absent quotation marks or other indications, is right wing framing.

I realize you are likely referring to it that way - i.e. as one would Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster - but nobody knows who dropped off the equipment to the legally blind guy at around the time they were starting to lay the foundation for unspecified "bad stuff" about Biden.

I think we are going to learn sometime in the future that "Hunter Biden's Laptop" was a pastiche of some stolen data and some altered data.

My hunch is they couldn't pull another "Wikileaks", so they set up another vehicle to attempt to peddle a mixture of hacked embarrassing information, and some information that was, shall we say, less than genuine.

The timing of the dropoff to that guy's shop matches up with the chronology of Giuliani's Ukrainian ops.

By now, the FBI has done a full cradle-to-now forensic examination of every component of that laptop, and subpoenaed relevant information from Apple in the course of examining whatever might be the origin and life history of the devices in question, the file system, and the physical storage media.

Giuliani and the weird guy from the non-Apple Mac shop can say anything they want without fear of contradiction, because it is not as if actual criminal investigators are going to get into some pointless argument in the media and compromise criminal investigations. So, the idea that any of them have ever had Hunter Biden's laptop, as opposed to "Hunter Biden's laptop", is ceding a piece of reality to them which has not been established as such.

[WarGamer]

5. It's really irrelevant.

But we know some facts.

Many emails and photos have been produced that clearly show Hunter and family.

Hunter's Attorney demanded the laptop BACK from the laptop shop.

These are facts.

It's probably Hunter's.

But that's not the point. There's NOTHING on that laptop that hurts/defames or tarnishes President Biden. Hunter is a recovering addict so I don't care about pictures with drug abuse and I don't care about his sex life. I also don't care about his personal emails with Dad.

GOP attempted to tie Joe to the Laptop and to Hunter with the Ukraine nonsense... Joe is 100% uninvolved.

Hunter may have issues, reportedly he's under criminal investigation for tax issues, but again, who cares? It has nothing to do with Joe.

[Effete Snob]

7. I think it may become relevant....

...depending on just what the FBI has found.

I'm not sure you understand why it matters:

Many emails and photos have been produced that clearly show Hunter and family.

That doesn't mean the device belonged to Hunter Biden, or that the drive in it did.

If I hack into your phone, steal your text messages, photos and other stuff, and if I have a good enough budget, some really good technical people, and a supply of commercial electronic devices which I collect for analysis and other uses over time, then I can put together "WarGamer's Smartphone" containing, yes, GENUINE confidential information of yours, a plausible forged device history, mixed in with FALSE information.

You could not deny that those are, in fact, your nude selfies, but I could also mix in other data and communications which are not real.

False information works best when it contains nuggets of truth.

It's just a possibility, but the backstory on those devices is so outstandingly sketchy.

[Kingofalldems]

9. Then it was stolen.

[Effete Snob]

11. There is another possibility

It has never been established that it was Hunter Biden's laptop.

The presence of stolen DATA on a device does not mean that the device was genuine.

In 2016, they stole a mess of data from the DNC and others, and used Wikileaks to publish what may have been a mix of genuine (stolen) data along with doctored data.

They couldn't do that again in 2020. What they could do, however, was to steal ACTUAL data, and then engineer a device that would have a plausible enough backstory in order to then "discover" the stolen and forged data in the same way that Wikileaks was used in 2016.

But the absence of any credibly verifiable backstory on the devices is what made actual media organizations with actual legal departments avoid trafficking in the framing of "Hunter Biden's laptop".

It would not surprise me in the least if we find out eventually that Giuliani associates were involved in creation and planting of the devices.

I don't believe the facts justify conceding that the device in question was Hunter Biden's laptop. Might it be? Possibly. But it has never been established.

[Kingofalldems]

14. Yes, whatever they have is stolen.

[Effete Snob]

17. Take a look at this and remember where you heard it

1. A computer repair shop owner in Wilmington, Del., named John Paul Mac Isaac has said Hunter Biden left a damaged Apple computer at his shop in April 2019 and asked to recover any data. Mr. Isaac said in an interview with The New York Times last week outside the shop that he is legally blind and could not be sure whether the man was Hunter Biden but asked his name to fill out a work order, and the man identified himself as Hunter Biden. From https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-laptop.html


Okay, April 2019.

Now:

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

Mid-February 2019 — Giuliani and Ukraine general prosecutor Lutsenko meet for second time, Warsaw

Giuliani meets with Lutsenko again in Warsaw, joined by Parnas, according to the OCCRP/BuzzFeed report, as published by Buzzfeed. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly were in town, too, for a U.S.-led Middle East conference.

Sometime in February 2019 — Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov warns Ambassador Yovanovitch that he has had to rebuff repeated requests from Giuliani to discuss investigations into Democrats and the 2016 election and that two of Giuliani’s associates were telling others that she should be fired, according to Time magazine.

March 31, 2019 — First round of Ukraine’s presidential election, which results in runoff between Zelenskyy and Poroshenko scheduled for April 21.

April 1, 2019 – The Hill newspaper publishes another article online by the same conservative investigative columnist John Solomon that advances the Trump-Giuliani story about Biden. (See entry on March 20 about Solomon and conspiracy theories.) The article reports that Shokin had said in written answers to questions that he had planned an investigation of Burisma before he was fired, including questioning all executive board members. The article says Lutsenko, Shokin’s successor, and “a case file” indicate that the Prosecutor General’s Office had handled three cases related to Burisma, and that the “most prominent” case was transferred to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), which Solomon describes suggestively as “closely aligned with the U.S. Embassy in Kiev,” even though it had long been public knowledge that Western supporters of Ukraine and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists strongly backed the bureau. The article says NABU closed that case.

April, 7, 2019 — Solomon publishes an interview with Kulyk airing his disinformation.

April 18, 2019 — Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s redacted report is publicly released, outlining the findings of his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

April 21, 2019 – New Ukrainian President elected on anti-corruption agenda

Volodymyr Zelenskyy is elected president of Ukraine, to succeed Petro Poroshenko. He ran on a “zero tolerance” anti-corruption agenda.

April 21, 2019 – First Trump-Zelenskyy Phone Call

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They'd been prepping the Biden op for a while and were ready to roll in April. But then Zelensky got elected, and put a fly in the ointment. So that's when they decided to put the squeeze on Zelensky to back up their plan. They just needed Zelensky to say he was backing an investigation. It didn't matter if Zelensky actually DID anything, because they already had the plan in play to flesh out their dumb corruption allegations.

That's why the warrant for Giuliani, IMHO, specifically calls out his communications with John Solomon, who was part of the coordinated information campaign.

If the Giuliani thing ends up shedding light on the origin of "Hunter Biden's laptop", remember where you heard it first.

[WarGamer]

19. Then why did Hunter's attorney demand return of the laptop from the shop?

You're going to a lot of effort to make that laptop NOT Hunter's.

Look at the TV interview with HB, he ran circles around the questions regarding his laptop.

There's nothing incriminating on it... why try to turn it into a myth?

Note: I'm not disagreeing about your assertion of HOW the GOP used the laptop...

[Effete Snob]

20. You are repeating a claim by Steve Bannon

If Hunter Biden’s lawyer requested return of the laptop from the FBI, how would anyone know?

The claim that “Hunter Biden’s lawyer demanded it back” comes from Steve Bannon.

If you believe otherwise, or if I have missed something, I’d like to know where you are getting that.

But, for now, please specify to whom you believe this demand was directed.

I politely ignored it the first time, but you seem quite certain of this fact. Could you elaborate further where you learned of thus fact.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Hunter-Biden-s-lawyer-requested-alleged-Hunter-Bidens-laptop-to-be-returned

Is it true that Hunter Biden’s lawyer requested alleged Hunter Biden's laptop to be “returned”?

[Kingofalldems]

21. Thanks.

Thought that was fishy.

[Effete Snob]

22. Here

Please Google - “Hunter Biden’s lawyer” laptop

Punctuate it like that.

You will find the source of the claim, which RT and other sites published. You will scold me for linking those sites, as you did when I pointed out another Qanon theme posted by someone on DU.

———-

Hunter Biden’s lawyer has come to us both with phone calls and with emails saying, ‘Hey, I’ve got to get the hard drive back,’” Bannon told Sky News on Sunday.

———

The other poster here is insisting that we believe a claim by Steve Bannon which he made for the purpose of pushing the claim it was genuine.

[Effete Snob]

25. April 2019

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One has to believe in a lot of coincidences for Hunter Biden to stumble into a blind right-winger’s computer repair shop at the exact moment that the pieces come together to try to get Ukraine on board with the plan.

Then he eventually closes the shop, leaves town, and becomes a Qanon hero.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/us/politics/giuliani-ukraine-trump.amp.html

May 9, 2019
WASHINGTON — Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s personal lawyer, is encouraging Ukraine to wade further into sensitive political issues in the United States, seeking to push the incoming government in Kiev to press ahead with investigations that he hopes will benefit Mr. Trump.

[WarGamer]

30. What's fishy?

Link to tweet

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[Effete Snob]

37. What's fishy is your reliance on a Fox News correspondent

And an email that does not even say what you are claiming it does.

[WarGamer]

28. I won't ask for an apology

But you're wrong. Sorry.

Link to tweet

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[Effete Snob]

33. Lol - FOX NEWS!

Brilliant!

No, I am not going to apologize at you recycling Bannon nonsense laundered through Fox News.

Did you read the email?

Where does it demand the laptop back?

[WarGamer]

35. Housley isn't with Fox News.

You really need to keep up.

[WarGamer]

36. So Messires asked the Shop owner for his chocolate chip recipe?

You're trying too hard, friend.

[Effete Snob]

38. The email is acknowledging a conversation

About the shop owner reviewing his records.

He is not demanding return of a laptop.

[WarGamer]

40. WHY would HB's attorney contact the shop owner?

Think about it... you're REALLY reaching.

[Effete Snob]

44. Is that a joke question?

If someone was making false claims about me, I would certainly want to have a lawyer get in touch with that person to find out why.

The shop owner had said he couldn’t say if it was Biden or not. It makes total sense for Biden’s lawyer to want to find out if there were other records that might help show who it was.

[WarGamer]

34. And here's the Coup de grce to your nonsense

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/

WaPo confirmation that Messires is indeed the Attorney for Hunter Biden

Asked to verify whether the email is genuine, Hunter Biden’s attorney George Mesires told The Fact Checker: “We have no idea where this came from, and certainly cannot credit anything that Rudy Giuliani provided to the NY Post, but what I do know for certain is that this purported meeting never happened.”



Careful in the future when you're punching up in weight.

[Effete Snob]

49. Holy shit that's deliusional

Yes Mesires is his lawyer.

No the email does not confirm the laptop is Biden’s and it does not demand the laptop back.

It acknowledges a conversation requesting the owner to investigate his records.

[WarGamer]

53. Messires wouldn't put that in writing.

They spoke on the phone, he PROBABLY (logically) asked for any property belonging to HB be returned ASAP.

But you can go on thinking that Messires was actually asking for chocolate chip cookie recipes.

[Effete Snob]

56. When you make a phone call

It is a good practice to follow with an email confirming the call, so that your congestion is not later distorted.

He’s not asking for anything back.

He’s referring to a request that the shop owner review his customer records.

You lied about the “demanded the laptop back” and now you are pretending this email says something it doesn’t say.

[WarGamer]

59. I made a logical progression.

Any thinking person would make the same progression.

You're just playing with words now.

Let me repeat.

It's HB's laptop. Daily Mail published photos and content from it. It's embarrassing. HB never said the images and comms were NOT his. He had the opportunity in the TV interview and danced around it.

But it has NOTHING to do with President Biden. It's unfortunate evidence of a man struggling with addiction. Nothing more. And YES the GOP tried to turn it into an October Surprise.

[Effete Snob]

64. Kinda sad

The laptop had REAL STOLEN EMAILS AND PICTURES ON IT.

I already said that.

The presence of real stolen data doesn’t make it real.

They couldn’t use Wikileaks again. This was the new and improved version of “let’s get some embarrassing stolen data out there.”

Yeah, the shop owner, in Delaware, couldn’t get ahold of anyone who worked with a Biden and so, logically, he took it to Rudy Giuliani.

Because that’s what everyone does with unclaimed property.

No lawyer ever demanded it back. No one has ever confirmed the provenance of the laptop. The presence of hacked info on the laptop does not make the laptop genuine.

You recycled Bannon’s false claim about a return demand and are furiously trying to claim that an email saying nothing of the sort is that demand.

[Effete Snob]

23. Specifically you want us to believe what Bannon told Murdoch

Hunter Biden’s lawyer has come to us both with phone calls and with emails saying, ‘Hey, I’ve got to get the hard drive back,’” Bannon told Sky News on Sunday.


Why are you insisting Steve Bannon was telling the truth about that. Do you often insist that Steve Bannon’s claims are true?

[WarGamer]

29. Sorry... you're wrong

Link to tweet

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[Effete Snob]

41. That email is not a request to return a laptop

A Fox reporter laundering an email from Bannon (to whom the shop owner provided it) does not support your claim.

It is an acknowledgment of a request to review the shop records - most likely for information about who dropped it off and other information - and not a demand for return of a laptop.

At that time the shop owner did not have the laptop any longer.

So, let’s discuss your claim that the lawyer demanded the laptop back.

[WarGamer]

43. I'm asking you to use your logic.

I think we're finished here. This is where I'm talking about the beautiful BLUE sky and you're arguing that the sky's NOT REALLY blue because of the refraction of light or whatever...

The sky is blue and the laptop is HB's.

Good Night.

[Effete Snob]

46. You are peddling a lie

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That email is about a conversation seeking records.

You said he demanded the laptop back.

You now know that is a lie.

The lawyer is trying to have the shop owner review records about the transaction. Most likely because he was investigating an attack on his client.

The provenance of the laptop has never been established, but it sure is important to you.

[WarGamer]

48. So if I said he demanded the contents of the hard drive back

Would you like that? It's a distinction without a difference, my friend.

Part of HDD restoration requires making a backup copy which can be copied infinite times.

[Effete Snob]

52. I covered that already

The lawyer wouldn’t request a copy “back” as in returning it, because the copy was made by the shop owner.

The email requests a review of records of the shop.

It would not be surprising if Biden’s lawyer would have wanted a copy of the alleged drive, in order to investigate the matter, but that is not at all a demand for the return of property.

[WarGamer]

54. Sometime when the vase falls off the shelf, it's just a vase falling off a shelf

It's not a ghost, aliens, gravitational abnormality or psychic ability.

[Effete Snob]

58. When Giuliani is trying to get Ukrainian support in April 2019

...for a theory that a vase fell off a shelf, and then a vase falls off a shelf, you have to be pretty stupid not to have a good idea why that vase fell.

But, yeah, sure, there was no Russian plan to use a nearly similar technique of stolen emails to attempt to interfere with the US election in 2020. After 2016, they just closed up shop and stayed home.

[WarGamer]

60. You DO know that HB's business partner CONFIRMED the veracity of some of the emails, right?

Because he was in the email chain... don't make me find links to back this up. I'm tired.

[Effete Snob]

63. Was there a shift change at your office?

The entire point of the laptop was a vehicle to disclose HACKED EMAILS.

We covered this earlier already.

The laptop had REAL STOLEN DATA on it. Along with fake data.

Yes, of course a business partner would confirm that a stolen email was real. Duh.

[Effete Snob]

24. By the way

If the laptop remains the subject of an investigation into just how it came to be, Hunter Biden would have been asked by the FBI not to say anything about it, to avoid compromising the investigation.

But, hey, maybe something else went on, but I would suggest your faith in Steve Bannon is not a good idea.

Just tell me how you know his lawyer demanded it back. Did he make a public demand? To whom? Name this lawyer.

[WarGamer]

31. You haven't deleted these posts yet?

Link to tweet

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[Effete Snob]

32. A Fox News correspondent?

Where did he get it from? Bannon

Jesus you are doubling down.

Is Alex Jones next?

[WarGamer]

39. lol

Politico reported on August 23, 2018, that Housley was leaving Fox News owing to his frustration that hard-news reporting was being de-emphasized in favor of commentary regarding President Donald Trump.

[Effete Snob]

42. You are deflecting

Quote the demand for return of the laptop.

The shop owner no longer had it at that time.

[WarGamer]

45. THen he was requesting return of the backup copies.

[Effete Snob]

47. Quote that part

The copies were given to Giuliani.

You told me he demanded the laptop back.

Biden wouldn’t own the backup copies.

There is no demand for return of anything. There was a discussion about reviewing records, consistent with an investigation.

[WarGamer]

51. You realize this started...

with me calling it HB's laptop and you argued.

Now you're squirming about wondering about the intent of HB's attorney? As you're peddling nonsense that the laptop story was Russian FUD?

This is what the eventual facts will reveal:

The Laptop was HB's

There's embarrassing shit on it

There's NOTHING that casts a shadow on President Biden

HB may or may not be prosecuted for tax evasion or being a foreign agent or whatever the statute is...

[Effete Snob]

55. Your argument is circular.

You said that it was genuine because you claimed the attorney demanded it back.

When it was shown you were peddling a Bannon claim, you shifted gears and are trying to pretend that a vague email referring to a request to review records is the same thing.

It’s simply not the same thing. The email looks like Biden’s lawyer contacted the shop owner in the course of trying to investigate where the data came from.

[WarGamer]

57. And you're glossing over evidence.

If HB never lost track of a laptop, why would his attorney contact the shop owner?

You DO know thats it's been confirmed by ALL sources including NYT, WaPo and AP that the FBI subpoenaed the laptop itself right?

[Effete Snob]

61. Wow

If someone is being defamed on the basis of stolen data which is alleged to have been found on a suspicious device dropped off at a shop by an unknown person, you can’t figure out why their lawyer might want to talk to that person and ask them if they could review some records?

Yes, the FBI would certainly want evidence of a Russian influence campaign. Duh.

You know what? If you sell a forged Picasso, the FBI is going to want that as evidence too. It doesn’t make it a real Picasso.

[WarGamer]

62. Sigh...

Ok.

You win.

Not based on anything other than I'm tired, lol...

Good Night.

[Tomconroy]

8. I thought I had read a long time ago

That Rudy had handed the lap top over to the FBI. Why does he have the hard drive and not the rest of the computer? Why are there multiple hard drives? The story is strange.

[Maeve]

10. Let's sum up Rudy's antics in one word....SQUIRREL!!!!!

[C_U_L8R]

12. Or 4 words

Possession of stolen property.

[Maeve]

13. No, that's his reality

His actions are distractions

[sarcasmo]

15. Rudy says "It's up in the iCloud."

[CentralMass]

18. Rudy aka "The Spleen" Guilliani's iCloud is the methane that he emits that surrounds him.

[Ilsa]

26. I loved that movie.

The Spleen: don't ask him about his superpower.

But my favorite was the teenager who was invisible. I use his lines occasionally.

[CentralMass]

50. Yes. Thst movie was a riot.

[stillcool]

16. one little laptop has had an adventurous life.

[tenderfoot]

27. LOL

eom

[heckles65]

65. The story is bullshitty as hell

Hunter Biden is a criminal mastermind who can get billions from China but leaves a laptop with incriminating evidence at a little computer repair shop and just forgets it there?