Thoughts pls on the CDC just saying fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear masks...

[brush]

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or social distance from others?

I'm going to continue masking as this order is just going to further encourage non-maskers/non-vaxxers not to mask.

I mean who's going to be able to check if people coming into restaurants, planes, buses, theaters, concerts etc. are fully vaccinated or not?

I'll wait until we get more of the population fully vaccinated.

[JohnSJ]

1. I agree brush. They are doing it because of the right wing insanity, and hope this will encourage

those right wingers to get the vaccine

but I will do as you are doing. Continue to mask up and social distance in public, until at least 70% of the populous have been vaccinated, and during flu season, I will definitely mask up

[dflprincess]

2. I think it was a bad move

The anti-vax, anti-mask crowd will stop wearing masks and continue to spread the virus.

I hope most businesses will continue to require masks of everyone.

[TheRealNorth]

13. That is what is likely to happen

The non-vaxxers will just not wear masks. He'll, they do it now in some states where there isn't a mask mandate. I would have preferred to wait at least 2 more weeks because there are some people that I know that waited until they were notified that shots were available and that are still waiting on their 2nd shot. It would also allow the teens to get their 1st shots.

But, hey. If more anti-vaxxers and deplorables get Covid, that's a silver lining in my mind.

[Ocelot II]

3. The maskholes were never going to wear masks anyhow.

[MerryHolidays]

4. Same here

I'm planning to go through the summer, masking and distancing. And I'll encourage my family to do so too.

I remember spending a lot of time in Japan, wondering why many people wore masks for seemingly no reason. I now fully get the reason, and perhaps I will mask as much as I can for the rest of my life, at least indoors.

Let's see (and hope).

[MissB]

5. It puts pressure on businesses

To either keep a mask requirement in place and deal with angry and possibly violent customers or to make the mask requirement optional and deal with a loss of customers or politely angry customers.

[cinematicdiversions]

62. I can't imagine many businesses would keep the mask requirement now. NT

[LanternWaste]

68. I imagine many will. nt

[hlthe2b]

6. I think it was a complex decision and probably engendered one hell of a lot of debate...

I would have had no problem arguing both sides.

That said, we now have ended the stigma of facemasks (as the Asian world did with SARS more than a decade ago. Don't feel comfortable without a mask? Wear one. Regardless of how the summer goes, I think their benefit has been amply demonstrated for next winter's flu season (ignoring what may be the case with COVID-19 and its variants).

[ibegurpard]

7. For me it will depend on the facility.

Grocery store at off-hours when I usually go? I'll probably skip it. Anywhere inside that i don't control who's there and I'm stuck for a while? I'll wear it.
Fully vaccinated with Pfizer as of about 3 weeks ago.

[NightWatcher]

8. The message I received was "if you've got the shot, you're protected".

Regardless of who you are sitting next to and whether they have the vaccine or a case of Covid.

If that is in fact the case, I'm ready to pass joints around a concert this weekend. Who is in town or can get here?

[Grasswire2]

30. But you aren't.

You can still catch Covid if vaccinated. It just won't put you in hospital or kill you. (We are told.)

But if you catch it, you can transmit it to someone who isn't vaccinated.

[forthemiddle]

43. Is there anywhere in the US you can't get vaccinated if you want it?

If there is, I agree with keeping the mask mandate. If, however, you are in a place that has ample supplies, then I am not going to alter my behavior based on people who don’t follow the science.

Where I live you can walk into any CVS, Walgreens, or Kroger and get the shot without an appointment, so now it’s on them to protect themselves.

[beaglelover]

56. "so now it's on them to protect themselves."

EXACTLY! Not my issue if you have not gotten the vaccine and I give you COVID.

[Voltaire2]

94. you wont.

The risk of vaccinated people infecting others is even smaller than the risk of vaccinated people getting infected.

[beaglelover]

95. Great! n/t

[LAS14]

67. Whenever I see this kind of reasoning I want to list all of the risks...

.. we take as a matter of course that are WAY MORE LIKELY. Some I know about are clot from birth control pill (one in every 100,000), injury or death from car accident, death from flu, etc., etc., etc. It makes no sense to single out COVID as the one minuscule risk that we're unwilling to subject ourselves to.

[womanofthehills]

79. But it can put you in the hospital & kill you we are told by CDC

CNN)About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/health/breakthrough-infections-covid-vaccines-cdc/index.html

[beaglelover]

87. I posted this to you in another reply. That's 5800 out of 77 million vaccinated.

Tiny tiny odds of getting COVID once you are vaccinated.

[Yavin4]

97. If those odds are too high for people....

then they shouldn't drive a car.

[Rorey]

9. I think I'll continue to do as I've been doing

I still try to do any errands that I have to do during slower times, and I wear a mask.

Now that all of the adults in my family are fully vaccinated, we are socializing with each other with no masks. There are three small children in our family, and they're my biggest concern.

[Diamond_Dog]

10. I'm afraid we are going to see more

Kicking and screaming over stores that still require a mask for entry. They will be yelling over how the state doesn’t mandate it any more. Honestly, I wish the states would keep their mask mandates until more people are vaccinated. Ohio is only at 42% ... less than half .... I’m not very encouraged.

[appalachiablue]

73. +1 Agree

[Bettie]

11. Until my 12 year old is fully vaccinated

We'll all keep wearing ours.

[Dorian Gray]

12. It's the right thing to do

I live in NYC. I will wear a mask indoors or in a crowd for the most part. But if i am with vaccinated friends or outside, I most likely won't wear the mask. (Unless I"m in times square! Then I'll still double mask!)

[roamer65]

14. Still going to wear them.

I don’t even want an asymptomatic case of this virus.

Nor do I want norovirus or influenza viruses.

[agingdem]

31. I'm with you...

not giving up my mask...I'm 72 and this is the first year in a very long time that I didn't have at least one bout of flu, stomach virus, or a cold..and so far no allergies...and until the Covid 19 vaccine is mandated nationwide there is no way in hell I will trust the guy in a check-out line with the hacking cough is something other than Covid 19...

[roamer65]

37. I usually get a stomach bug at least twice each winter.

Just like you, this year only one mild cold...nothing otherwise.

I’m sold on mask wearing, hand washing and distancing.


Here’s to our health!

[agingdem]

74. L'chaim..to life!!!

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

15. I'm going to keep social distancing

From MAGA types anyway.

[PoliticAverse]

16. That's the thing unfortunately. The only way to be sure the unvaccinated are wearing masks...

is for everyone to be wearing masks.

[FirstLight]

17. I get shot #2 next week...and yet I have no intention of stopping masking

I feel it is a form of respect at this point.

The anti-mnaskers are still going to be assholes, and they are also the ones most likely to NOT get vaxed...

ugh

[csziggy]

18. I'll still wear a mask in public

Other people will not know I have been vaccinated, so it should make them more comfortable. I did take my mask off at a small business last week - it was only the owners of the business and my husband and me - and we'd all discussed how we were all vaccinated. But when another customer came in, we all put our masks on. Ironically, that was the day that DeSantis had said the mask mandate was over.

Otherwise, I have kept my mask on in public, both inside and out, unless I am in an area where there are no other people in sight.

[Grasswire2]

19. plus........ you can still catch Covid even if fully vaccinated...

....and you can transmit it, if you do, to someone who is not vaccinated and could die from it.

I think CDC is making a mistake.

[Rorey]

23. I think so too

Until people of ALL ages are able to be vaccinated, I think it's a mistake.

[appalachiablue]

76. This needs to be broadcast loudly, ignorance abounds!

The ugly reality...

[ananda]

20. I pretty much take mine off outdoors.

But I still wear it inside stores and offices unless
I know others are safe.

[Rorey]

24. I take mine off after I walk out of a store

But I still socially distance. I usually wait to take it off until I'm at least 20 feet from the door when leaving a store.

[ananda]

50. Good thinking.

I really don't feel unsafe outdoors.

I've noticed that not that many people shop in stores,
so it's not difficult to distance.

[JCMach1]

21. I will trust the science here...

[Voltaire2]

85. finally.

Wasn't until post 21 anyone actually said this.

[barbtries]

22. I have no immediate plans to quit wearing a mask in public.

This could last as long as I do, and I'm 65 not in the greatest possible shape. The reasons are that I can still catch the virus and if I do and am asymptomatic could still infect others, and i figure there's going to be another virus coming down the pike. I plan to be like so many Asian citizens who just make masks part of their daily lives. This came about I believe because of MERS and SARS. Now it's SARS-CoV-2.

[Rorey]

32. In the beginning, I endured getting laughed at

I started wearing a mask right away. The first time I was laughed at it was by an older teenage boy. It was before we were told to wear masks, but my common sense told me that the only reason it wasn't recommended was to save the masks for medical workers.

Then another time later on, after we were told to wear masks, a mask-less woman said, "Nice mask" to me. I'm sure she was just being snarky. I just said thanks, and chalked it up to her being a trumper idiot.

I'm way past the point in life where I care about being laughed at, so it won't bother me if I'm the only mask-wearer in my whole town someday.

[barbtries]

52. you're not the only one,

as seen by this thread, there are lots of us. another fb thread likewise: one response was, "I’ll probably still wear mine. I don’t want to be confused for a Republican."

[TraceNC]

25. I'm fully vaccinated and will continue

to wear a mask. I haven’t had so much as a minor cold in about a year and a half, so that’s good enough reason for me to continue wearing one. I’ll probably do it as long as I feel like, and I couldn’t care less what anyone thinks about it.

[Rorey]

34. I really liked the social distancing too

I'm going to keep that up as well as I can.

[roamer65]

39. THIS.

Same here.

[AllaN01Bear]

26. please see my prior post here . link below

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2742825
even though youre fully vaccinated , dosent mean you can go off half bang and be irresponsable and get cv19. you can still get it but the vaccine will help in my opinion.

[pandr32]

27. There needs to be an app

Businesses, security, first responders, medical staff, etc. should be able to check the app to see if the person is vaccinated or not. If not, and they are maskless and/or not socially distancing there should be a fine generated.
People could be randomly checked so they would never know if their idiocy would be expensive or not.

[Vinca]

28. Despite being fully vaccinated, I'll continue to mask for 2 reasons:

first, you don't know who is or is not vaccinated and a vaccinated person can still contract Covid and, secondly, in a town about 15 miles from me the U.K. variant is reported to be widespread. There's also been an outbreak at the college over there. I'm also afraid that if cases tick up again, it's going to be hard to get this genie back in the bottle. People won't want to wear masks and social distance again.

[Roland99]

41. I've considered *always* wearing a mask *from now on* in a store

Or crowded indoor setting

[Ace Rothstein]

29. I will stop wearing a mask unless required by the business.

[GulfCoast66]

33. Good call. The data is in.

Unless a business asks me wear it I’m done.

I have no problem respecting a private business that ask me to wear one.

[NightWatcher]

35. I do wish we had more people vaxxed and kids the chance to be vaxxed before they did this

But it appears that the WH is going with a carrot and not a stick to get more people vaxxed.

[Jose Garcia]

36. If you have been fully vaccinated, your risk of a severe case of COVID is close to zero.

[BGBD]

38. Wow....a lot of anti science views here

If you are fully vaccinated yoi are safe AND you are at nearly no risk of spreading the virus.

Save your mask and put it back on next flu season if you want, but the CDC is signaling that the pandemic is over in America.

[brush]

49. Not true. It's not over yet. There are still thousands of infections everyday.

Just check the news. People are still getting it, less and less though because of the admin's very effective rollout of the vaccines.

I'll keep wearing one inside in public places until 70% of the population is fully vaccinated. That's projected to be in the fall.

I won't wear a mask outside.

[BGBD]

54. Yes people are still getting it

And probably will for a long time.....but we don't need eradication for the pandemic to end.

Vaccinated individuals don't need to take precautions and vaccines are universally available for 12+ and soon for 6 mo+.

[womanofthehills]

66. Vaccinated still need to take precautions - & wear a mask

Because the Indian mutation B.1.617.2 is now in the US and scientists believe 2 of the mutations on this variant could make the vaccines not very good at neutralizing the variant virus. Some scientists say our vaccines will provide 50% protection against this variant and some say 20% protection. No one knows and lots of disagreement about this. The AstraZeneca vaccine and a Chinese vaccine in India are not working in India but the Indian vaccine Covaxin is supposedly the best to stop these variants. We were supposed to get that vaccine in US end of yr but probably not now. We keep getting double messages about our vaccines and this mutation in US. I think it’s stupid for the CDC to say this when this mutation is in the US. The CDC just upped the category of this virus while telling us we don’t need masks. Makes no sense to me.

[BGBD]

70. No

The CDC says they don't. This isn't the Trump administration making politically beneficial statements in place of the science.

I've been hearing about how x mutatuon was a game changer and they have all been duds. I'm not worried about the Indian mutation either.

[brush]

77. You've not keeping up with the news. 7 already vaccinated NY Yankees just came down...

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with covid. They were vaccinated with the J and J vaccine which is has less efficacy as the other two. Also it was just reported that fully vaccinated Bill Maher has tested positive for the virus.

I say it's smart to still be cautious and still wear masks while in public indoor spaces for a while...maybe until fall when it's projected that 70% of the population will be fully vaccinated and thus effectively just about reaching herd immunity.

[BGBD]

83. And none with more than a sniffle

Yawn

[brush]

84. And you know that how? Being infected and able to pass it on is of no concern to you?

That's not really clear, responsible thinking.

[BGBD]

88. You are fear mongering

I'll take my advice from President Biden and the CDC, thanks.

[brush]

89. Just drop it. You're not coming off well.

[BGBD]

96. Lol

I don’t care what you or anyone else on this board thinks about me.

I'm following CDC guidance, just like I have for the past year. You, for some reason, think you know better than they do.

[womanofthehills]

82. The CDC has been saying weird things

The CDC director, Walensky was on Rachel’s a few weeks ago saying you could not get the virus if you have the vaccine. Then the next day she takes her statement back. This is weird and abnormal.

[LisaL]

91. Wow.

NT

[Tomconroy]

40. I too am done with masks unless a business requires it.

Hallelujah!

[Ocelot II]

42. If that's what the science tells them, they are obligated to tell the public the truth -

which is, apparently, that people who are fully vaccinated now can safely go out in public without masks. I'll probably keep wearing one, at least for now, when I'm inside among other members of the public, just to be on the safe side, and to avoid getting something else. One side effect of staying at home most of the time and wearing a mask when going out is that I never got sick with anything all year, not even a cold. So maybe when winter comes I'll wear a mask no matter what the covid situation is by them.

The people who were opposed to masks weren't wearing them anyhow

[Treefrog]

44. How will anyone know who is or isn't?

That’s what I don’t get.

[JoanofArgh]

46. They won't unless businesses ask for customers vax

cards.

[Treefrog]

51. Simply no way that's going to happen at grocery stores, convenience stores and so on.

Never mind how easy it would be to forge a card.

[BGBD]

58. They don't need to

They are saying fully vaccinated people are safe. If you are. Fully vaccinated and forgot the mask the risk is your own.

[JoanofArgh]

45. I'm fully vaccinated but I'll continue wearing a mask

indoors in close confined spaces. I had COVID and I don’t want even a mild case of this crap again. Even mild cases can have complications.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

47. Joe says I dont need to wear a mask, thats good enough for me!

I still will carry a neck gaiter thing around, but only use it for those places still mandating mask wear

[global1]

48. I Believe They Should Have Waited For 2 Weeks Past The Memorial Day Holiday.......

They've been here before. They've relaxed some restrictions only to see a surge in cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

We know that Memorial Day is typically considered the start of summer. We know that a lot of people will be traveling, meeting with friends and family, having picnics and BBQ's.

If we can make it 2 weeks past Memorial Day without any unusual surges - I'll feel better about these new mask relaxations. So right now - I think it is premature on their part to do this now. After the Holiday I believe it would have been better timing. Heck - it's only another couple of weeks.

As for me - when we go shopping - I'll still be wearing my mask. Cause it will even be harder to determine who is vaccinated. I won't be eating at any restaurants in the near future either.

I'm high risk and even though I'm vaccinated - I'm still playing this cautiously.

[maxsolomon]

53. You're going to wait a very long time.

We're down the the parts of the adult population that WON'T get them, either because of defiance, or they can't find the time.

What % would make you comfortable taking off your mask outside?

[beaglelover]

55. The best news to hear today. I'm very happy with this announcement.

I'm fully vaccinated and no longer should be required to wear a mask. I have very little chance of getting COVID and if I do, extremely little chance of being hospitalized or dying. No more masks for me unless I'm flying during cold and flu season.

[Crunchy Frog]

57. Personally, I'm waiting until lots more people are vaccinated,

and there's quite a bit less of the virus circulating.

With all the antivax loonies, plus the variants, that may take awhile.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

59. I think it's time for Trump cultists to die.

Those are my thoughts for those unvaccinated maskholes.

[Xoan]

60. NO Chip. NO Service.

[tavernier]

61. I haven't had a cold or regular flu in a year.

And I’ve cut down on having to wear beauty makeup (except for mascara... don’t want to scare the children, lol) in months. I’m all for masking around crowds in stores. The last time I had a two week head and chest cold was right before Covid when a lady at Walmart leaned over to help me get something off the shelf and coughed in my face. She wasn’t being mean... just unintentionally spreading her germs.

[sarisataka]

63. For over a year we've been saying

To trust Fauci and the CDC. If I followed that advice under the last administration why would I not follow it under Biden?

However if a business posts that they want customers to wear masks I will happily comply.

[cinematicdiversions]

69. Exactly. NT

[clutterbox1830]

64. I'm ok with it. I believe in Dr. Fauci and health trusted officials.

I still wear a mask where I feel "unsafe" and I'll still encourage ppl to vaccinated.
I hope this will encourage more people to get vaccinated as well.

[LAS14]

65. I've assumed all along that what you describe is what motivated...

... the CDC to hold back so long on saying vaccinated people don't have to wear masks.

[WarGamer]

71. For me it's a freedom issue

the CDC gave the OK.

That's "Science".

If one wants to keep wearing a mask, no need to chide them or call them a "Karen"... let people be.

I just don't want unvaxx'd people running around unmasked.

[Shrek]

72. I'm taking it off

A return to semi-normalcy was one of my motivations for getting the shots in the first place.

No issues with those who decide differently; do what feels right for you.

[Celerity]

75. We already had legacy COVID in April 2020, & are now variant-tweaked fully vaxed with off the charts

B cell, T killer cell, T helper cell, and antibody immunity counts (just got the results today) on top of original strain antibodies still, so no more masks for us. Until the variants hit, we were not masking anymore anyway, as our immunity was off the charts from the original infection (we were ina study for that as well). The new Moderna mRNA-1273.351 vax we were given in the trial is showing 95% plus efficacy here so far against the main variants strains in Sweden.

[bluestarone]

78. I personally love it that most business's here are requiring masks, (North Dakota)

We will continue to wear our masks until WE feel comfortable not wearing them. I'm glad CDC has made a decision on this, But we will decide whats best for us.

[appalachiablue]

80. Another Thread On *CDC Masks News* In LBN Today:

Many interesting COMMENTS, well worth a look-

> "CDC says fully vaccinated Americans no longer need masks indoors or outdoors in most cases," Source: Washington Post, May 13, 2021

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2742802

[LisaL]

81. So we are supposed to trust that anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers will be honest?

Who is going to be checking if they actually have the vaccine? We still have more than 50 % of population un-vaccinated in many states.

[Voltaire2]

86. If you are vaccinated they are not going to infect you.

The risk is negligible. If they are refusing to get vaccinated, that is really now their problem, not ours.

[LisaL]

90. Ever heard of break through infections? Variants?

US still has tens of thousands of cases each day. And yet we are acting as if covid is over.

[brooklynite]

92. I'm sure the scientists took that into account,

[Voltaire2]

93. 5800 out of 74 million

Shall I do the math, or do you understand that this risk is negligible?