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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCouldn't vote for HRC? So where are we now?
Let's see:
Neil Gorsuch.
Brett Kavanaugh
Amy Coney Barrett
And what's to come? Well, the very real possibility that women's right to choose their own reproductive course could be gone.
Hyperbole? I don't think so. Our failure to elect Hillary Clinton gave us the worst president in history and a very rare THREE new kook judges.
comradebillyboy
(10,144 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)In fact, it's about damned time
Redleg
(5,814 posts)crying helps balance out the feelings of rage.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)my own feelings of rage will EVER be balanced out.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And as long as we have to live fearing this dangerous weakness could bring us down again. We really need enough of them to have realized that, and how, they were duped into turning on themselves to make a difference.
As for those who thought losing to Republicans would be better, or at least no worse, than electing a "corrupt corporatist" and those caught up in Hillary derangement syndrome,...they are what they are.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)There is literally NO excuse for anyone who is not a GQPer NOT to have voted for Hillary in 2016! NONE!
Those people are dead to me. It's tragic that their selfishness and stupidity have also caused harm and death to so many others ... and will continue to do so.
They KNEW BETTER. The very least they can do is to own their mistake, STFU and support those Democrats who are working very hard to try to mitigate the very real damage that has been done, in part because of their mistake.
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JI7
(89,248 posts)They aren't the left as they claim to be .
Budi
(15,325 posts)Oh ya, & the 'no big deal' attitude by those who ignored & excused the degrading 'Rape Fantasies' with a wave of their hand.
Women's legal rights were mocked & ignored rather than respected by that political faction.
The mysogony of Kulinski & Uyger & those they surrounded themselves to cash in big.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)A vote for Jill Stein was a vote to overturn Roe V. Wade
Budi
(15,325 posts)They all need to be named.
Called out & made public & made to wear & own their unforgiveable legacy to women, girls, lgbtq, & human rights.
But no doubt they're all capitalizing on the result of their failure with fundraising emails, as we speak.
Think it's time the FEC examines deeper, some of those small dollar donor private "grassroots" PACS.
I am heartsick by the fear of what is approaching with this SC decision.
They took it for granted & flat out campaigned against our one critical shot at a fair SC, to secure generations of effort to bring Roe v Wade & human rights to our nation.
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)Taking the left for granted ... Needed to be taught a lesson ... Clintons too cozy with ... And yada, yada, yada.
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Please! Just STFU ! -- while I attempt to rinse the ick out of my mouth!
Hekate
(90,674 posts)The worst kind is willfull blindness.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)Trump won by about 40 k give or take in 3 states and Biden flipped it back in 20, Biden won by 7 million total and yet it could have easily flipped.
I didn't vote for Hilary (live in Oregon, she already won here by the time my vote was counted) She would have been a great president but I truly feel the Repubs would have tried even harder then they did Obama to take her down.
The electoral college is still the problem.
Never forget
Kav, Roberts and Barrett had a role in Bush V Gore
Budi
(15,325 posts)Yes they did. Thanks for that reminder.
They did all have a role in Bush v Gore, as did 3rd Party fringe spoilers, like Nader.
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)But I think it's pretty well established that 'not Hillary' votes could have swung the electoral college for us as well.
treestar
(82,383 posts)fewer votes in some of the swing states than the votes for 3rd parties? And that does not even count nonvoters.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)He said she and the former guy were the same.
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)Never considered him anything like a political leader (or oracle). The statement you illustrate is about as stupid as stupid can be. Case closed.
Redleg
(5,814 posts)as were many others who couldn't vote for Clinton. My biggest concern about Hillary, for whom I voted, was that the Rethugs were going to try to impeach her on day 1 because they believed all the bullshit stories about her. Hillary had too much baggage (much of it stuff made up by the Rethugs) for some people to vote for her. Jeezus, they had so many hearings about Benghazi and talked about Benghazi so much that even some democrats started to wonder what it was all about.
Now we have to live with a 6-3 Supreme Court, for which I put more blame on the Rethugs, especially that human piece of shit Mitch McConnell. Mitch is as much to blame as Trump for the crisis of democracy we're dealing with. This shit is why we can't have nice things.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)not have packed anything without their help. I wonder if our Republic can even survive their treachery.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Americans.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)It didn't help that registered voters who identified as Democrats and independents were more likely than Republicans to stay home.
NJCher
(35,662 posts)What is the objective of your post?
Guilting?
Attempt to make yourself feel better by blaming others?
If its either of these two, do you think you will accomplish it with this approach?
Skittles
(153,160 posts)maybe THAT is the point
NJCher
(35,662 posts)Do you think this is a way that will convince people?
Skittles
(153,160 posts)but FUCK THEM anyways, they need to hear it
600,000 people dead and for WHAT? In my mind, pure sexism
NJCher
(35,662 posts)I think it would just be better to be honest and say what you just said.
However, do not think for a moment they will see the error of their ways.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)sideways and to hell and back
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JI7
(89,248 posts)and it's NOT about moving left .
she didn't post it. Stinky the Clown is the OP.
And it's not a question about why the post, it's a question about what one is trying to achieve.
If you're angry and just want to blow off steam, just say so. Don't couch it in some other type of communication that is not honest. Just say, "I'm mad;" don't wimp out and blame it on someone to justify your anger.
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Skittles
(153,160 posts)I am still very angry indeed. I hope those people know that they helped to install Donald Fucking Trump, and hundreds of thousands of people have paid for that with their LIVES.
JI7
(89,248 posts)and it's to help republicans win. Many who did it in 2000 did it again in 2016
NJCher
(35,662 posts)and how do you know what anyone's motive is? Can you get inside their head and say what it is? If you can, please tell me how you do that.
People ascribe motive often, but to people who know the rules of argumentation, it's considered amateurish.
JI7
(89,248 posts)more obvious public ones.
NJCher
(35,662 posts)wouldn't it be better to write to him directly or publish and open letter to him? He's not going to see this post nor will he know that you think he's at fault. Or do an open letter and publish it somewhere that a lot of people will see it, thus calling into question his judgment.
It does make a difference. I have often directly contacted columnists, opinion writers, and the like about the error of their past positions. Surprisingly, they have been pretty open about admitting their mistakes, or at least what I perceive as their mistakes.
All I'm bringing up is a better way to channel energy. I would just like to see people channel it constructively instead of wasting time grousing on a board where they are preaching to the choir.
JI7
(89,248 posts)but you only listed one.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)a Democrat and a Republican (third parties are merely a way to cause us to lose usually). The choice should be easy. Given the GOP's behavior, any Democrat is better than any Republican. If Democrats don't start showing party loyalty, we are not only going to lose elections but we are going to lose our Republic.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)are approaching 700,000 dead, a packed SCOTUS, and new Jim Crow laws in the states. I feel the same about those who did not vote for Gore.
betsuni
(25,486 posts)She was paid for a speech.
Money contributed by people working for corporations or financial institutions is corrupting. Fundraising is corrupting. PACs wanting to elect Democrats, all lobbyists are corrupt (even those who lobby for environmental protections and green energy, etc., apparently). Democrats "take" money from the donor class, billionaires and corporations and Wall Street -- bribed to stop anything progressive (ignore their goal of repealing Citizens United, taxing the wealthy and corporations, regulating Wall Street). All that money goes straight into their pockets, not to, like, pay for things. All dysfunction in government comes from money in politics, obstructionist Republicans have nothing to do with it. Democrats are the true roadblock to progressive legislation (Michael Moore).
She used the word "super-predator" in 1996 to describe drug cartels, gangs and the mob and people believed the lie that she said it in 1994 to support the crime bill then and that it was racist, that Hillary was personally responsible for putting everyone in jail because she's racist (heard that one a lot, Russians really liked it).
Unlikeable, inauthentic, shrill, overconfident, arrogant, gravely ill, wearing a full body brace.
"80% of her supporters are paid shills," echo chamber, cheerleaders, stupid: personal attacks. Trump supporters were merely nice people suffering from economic insecurity.
Can't be trusted/liar (when Hillary was judged to be the most honest of all candidates in 2016).
Didn't talk about jobs (when the most frequent word in her speeches was the word "jobs" ), only ran as "not Trump" and had no message, only ran as a woman because of "identity politics."
Establishment, status quo, neoliberal, centrist, donor class, liberal elite, coastal elite, Third Way, incrementalism, milquetoast, conservadem, complacent, corporatist, 1%, Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, oligarchs, won't fight for anything.
Clinton Foundation as corrupt for collecting "many dollars from foreign governments which are dictatorships."
The DNC apparently is a powerful diabolical group that rigs everything so Democrats are evil, corrupt and bad.
Vote my conscience, send a message, hold feet to the fire, lesser of two evils (while insisting the idiom doesn't mean that Hillary is evil), hold my nose, speak truth to power, voting as an expression of personality or brand rather than a civic duty.
Insisting everything's about policy but attacking character: corrupt and immoral, warmonger, more dangerous than Trump.
90s trade deals caused changes in manufacturing jobs, not automation and the choices of corporations. All Democrats fault!
The myth that Democrats have shifted right for 40 years and hate the working class and unions (ignore the most progressive platforms in history of Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden).
Something called the "Clinton Machine."
All incredibly stupid. And there's so much more!
Stinky The Clown
(67,798 posts)betsuni
(25,486 posts)The best books about the lies that I know of so far are Steven Stoft's "Ripped Apart, How Democrats Can Fight Polarization to Win" (can be read online at Google Books) and Susan Bordo's "The Destruction of Hillary Clinton" (she has another more recently published book about lies that I want to order soon).
treestar
(82,383 posts)calimary
(81,238 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)even a lot of Democrats fell for much of the anti-Hillary propaganda
Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)For not recinding dadt fast enough and because Gitmo wasnt closed ...
When you sit out elections you lose ... now here comes 2022
betsuni
(25,486 posts)because he was so disappointed with President Obama. Not true of course, he had moved before Obama became president. It was just the hip and cool thing to do.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)we must not allow this GOP colluding person to win. She is not a Democrat and is using the party to advance her career...show her the door. Also Democrats and/or progressives, any who didn't vote for Hillary- period- are responsible for all the horror we have faced and the horror that is yet to come from a right-wing court...it was the same with Gore. I would include Kerry who was attacked during the primary and never really recovered.