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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:04 PM May 2021

Apparently, I am a very poor communicator. I recently posted an OP that I thought was pretty

clear and straightforward. SEE: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215473923#post67

My entire intent was to express my genuine puzzlement about the few DUers who only seem to make negative responses to posts and seem to never have a positive comment.

Somehow, this nothing-burger of a post led some to assume that 1.) I was fishing for recs; 2.) I had somehow checked up on some DUers' rec frequency; and, 3.) that I was of the opinion that anyone has an obligation to rec posts they like or appreciate.

Recs are NOT, IMHO, an accurate assessment of whether a post is worthwhile or well-said. No one should feel any obligation to rec anyone's post. My point was not that there is anything wrong or remarkable about people who never or seldom rec. My point was that people who make ONLY negative remarks are people who puzzle me. Why bother to tear someone down when you won't take the time to give a thumbs up to someone whose post inspires you?

Finally, if there is a way to check up on someone's rec numbers, I am not aware of it and don't care to find out about it.

I apologize for the confusion my OP apparently spawned.







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Apparently, I am a very poor communicator. I recently posted an OP that I thought was pretty (Original Post) Atticus May 2021 OP
You're good in my book, my dear Atticus! ♥ CaliforniaPeggy May 2021 #1
What she said. Turbineguy May 2021 #5
Thanks. nt Atticus May 2021 #22
Thank you. nt Atticus May 2021 #21
I'll agree with that. Ellipsis May 2021 #40
I rarely rec anything. Almost never. jimfields33 May 2021 #2
Me, too birdographer May 2021 #36
I restrained myself about making a snarky remark about counting recs. Ms. Toad May 2021 #3
That was my take as well. SharonClark May 2021 #8
Whoa! "Rec-stalking" is the "only reasonable basis" for my statement? How about there are a Atticus May 2021 #10
You expressly targeted people who never rec. Ms. Toad May 2021 #30
I concur that this was a totally reasonable interpretation and thought the same at the time Hugh_Lebowski May 2021 #35
It didn't disturb me - Ms. Toad May 2021 #41
I thought I'd take this opportunity to agree :) nt Hugh_Lebowski May 2021 #48
:) n/t Ms. Toad May 2021 #56
I got you. pwb May 2021 #4
I had to rec this, just because I can. Don't apologize for confusion, ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2021 #6
Mostly when I agree with a post a lot of others do too so I don't feel the need to chime in. Srkdqltr May 2021 #7
Seems early respondents (myself, included) took your post at face value.... hlthe2b May 2021 #9
I thought your other thread was good Leith May 2021 #11
Is there a prize for the most recs? I just assumed it was a way to tell others Biophilic May 2021 #12
Thanks. nt Atticus May 2021 #13
This is the post that most closely mirrors my own approach, so I'm going to Reply to it, BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Biophilic May 2021 #46
Thanks, Bob. Where the heck are you. If you were in SE Michigan you would be Biophilic May 2021 #47
I'm in Victoria BC. BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #57
Me at midnight on Friday.... pbmus May 2021 #14
I admit that when I get a lot of recs on an OP, Mr.Bill May 2021 #15
I didn't see the thread mentioned in the OP. wnylib May 2021 #16
For what it's worth, I totally agree. nt Atticus May 2021 #20
K&R multigraincracker May 2021 #34
I missed the post in question... Trueblue Texan May 2021 #17
Adding my agreement to this. ShazzieB May 2021 #54
To look at things that someone has recced, click on their profile. Crunchy Frog May 2021 #18
Which I did, and I have to say I strongly disapprove of your rec'ing patterns, Crunchy! Hugh_Lebowski May 2021 #37
. Crunchy Frog May 2021 #51
I tend to be tolerant of posts by people I've somehow put in the "good guy" Croney May 2021 #19
Your post was a good one. ☺️ secondwind May 2021 #23
I got it... and I agree PortTack May 2021 #24
Recs are largely irrelevant. As you noted, they have no correlation with the quality of the post. TwilightZone May 2021 #25
It's all good. MarineCombatEngineer May 2021 #26
I rec'd your other post because I agreed with you lunatica May 2021 #27
Been here since 2002, you're doing great. I've had the same reaction to posts over the years. spanone May 2021 #28
K&R Retired Engineer Bob May 2021 #29
You're fine. Corgigal May 2021 #31
As someone whose posts I enjoy reading CrackityJones75 May 2021 #32
Like a lot of folks here, I enjoy your posts. Don't worry about it. paleotn May 2021 #33
No worries, Atticus! ShazzieB May 2021 #38
I get that. JohnnyRingo May 2021 #39
I think your last post kinda proved itself through. Ha. Ellipsis May 2021 #42
At some point you need to let it go left-of-center2012 May 2021 #44
No shit. Treefrog May 2021 #60
Some members think of DU as their online "family," Pinback May 2021 #45
You got a discussion going on a discussion board - WIN! Generic Brad May 2021 #49
I got your meaning, and yes there are passive DUers FakeNoose May 2021 #50
Personally I think those folks just like to buzz kill. LakeArenal May 2021 #52
I'll never forget my worst negative comment experience. betsuni May 2021 #53
Here's a rec from me. It doesn't count for much. I'm a big time recker or wrecker or something. NNadir May 2021 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark May 2021 #58
Again posting in General and not the Lounge? DiamondShark May 2021 #59
Gee, I am terribly sorry I did not place my OP in the forum where you thought it should be! Atticus May 2021 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark May 2021 #71
Wow, not the respone I was expecting. DiamondShark May 2021 #72
Anyone who reads your posts knows you don't give a malaise May 2021 #61
Thanks, malaise. nt Atticus May 2021 #66
If you didn't know how to find out if people rec'ed a thread or not, why did you say you did know? Treefrog May 2021 #62
Uh, I never said I "knew" for a scientific fact that the several people I had in mind had never-ever Atticus May 2021 #63
Well, I made my assumption based on the claim you made in your op. Treefrog May 2021 #67
I rec'd this so that you can't say I never rec anything! senseandsensibility May 2021 #65
Rec Hekate May 2021 #68
So I can put this one where I put the other one then, eh? Iggo May 2021 #69
I generally like your posts and think you are a valuable member. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #70

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
40. I'll agree with that.
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:55 PM
May 2021

Atticus can post whatever he wants, wherever he wants, anytime he wants in my book.

He been here since pretty much day one and has written some "most excellent " posts.

jimfields33

(15,789 posts)
2. I rarely rec anything. Almost never.
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:09 PM
May 2021

Mainly I forget to. I typically get right to the OP, read comments, add a comment here and there. Then off to the next OP.

birdographer

(1,325 posts)
36. Me, too
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:42 PM
May 2021

It never occurred to me that anyone would (a) care, or (b) actually check to see if I rec posts. I'm more of a commenter as well. As for my own posts, which are mostly just photos in the photography group, while a rec is nice, a friendly comment means more IMO.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
3. I restrained myself about making a snarky remark about counting recs.
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:09 PM
May 2021

But since you've started a whole new post about it today: counting recs wasn't an assumption. When you flat out say certain posters make no recs, the only reasonable basis for making that statement is that you've been (at least) rec-stalking the posters you feel aren't making positive comments.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
10. Whoa! "Rec-stalking" is the "only reasonable basis" for my statement? How about there are a
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:24 PM
May 2021

Last edited Sat May 29, 2021, 05:06 PM - Edit history (1)

handful of folks whose names I have seen frequently on OPs, somewhat less frequently on negative or neutral responses and "never" on a rec list for anyone's post?

I was not aware that generalizations were offensive and your assumption---yes, that's what it was--- that I had been "counting recs" is an amazing one.

Respond as you wish. I have no interest in further back and forth.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
30. You expressly targeted people who never rec.
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:09 PM
May 2021

Since recs are not visible at all, unless you click on the count, to know someone "never" recs, you would have to be clicking repeatedly to look for those people in your "never rec."

Not an assumption- it is inherent in the comment you made. It's not in our profiles. There is no other way I am aware of to know - other than to be checking the alert list and taking note of who is "never" there.

As I said - I refrained from making a snarky comment in the original thread - but your OP here challenged the "assumptions" people were making. Just pointing out that we weren't making assumptions.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
35. I concur that this was a totally reasonable interpretation and thought the same at the time
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:42 PM
May 2021

That said, I wasn't particularly disturbed by the post. If someone wants to look at every poster and see 'who recs what', they can knock themselves out. Seems awfully arduous for minimal results however

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
41. It didn't disturb me -
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:57 PM
May 2021

which is why I didn't comment in the initial thread. I just had a knee jerk reaction that I decided to restrain.

It just seemed a bit odd to rehash the whole thing in a new thread by suggesting that those who did respond were makng assumptions.

Srkdqltr

(6,276 posts)
7. Mostly when I agree with a post a lot of others do too so I don't feel the need to chime in.
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:13 PM
May 2021

Should have LIKES like FB.

hlthe2b

(102,239 posts)
9. Seems early respondents (myself, included) took your post at face value....
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:16 PM
May 2021

I guess those more "analytical" (critical) showed up shortly thereafter.

Still got 69 recs and counting though.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
11. I thought your other thread was good
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:26 PM
May 2021

I agreed.

Most of us have lived through several troll attacks on DU. It can make us leery when a bunch of new posters arrive around the same time and don't take the time to see how things go here.

I feel a little guilty for not saying it before, but I really like your posts. Seeing your name as OP is a good enough reason to open the thread.

Cheers!

Biophilic

(3,651 posts)
12. Is there a prize for the most recs? I just assumed it was a way to tell others
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:26 PM
May 2021

that the post was worth a look. Half the time I don't remember to rec a post. Although I never rec a post that is negative. Life is too short unless something really important is being said. I always read your posts, Atticus, 'cause they are almost always worth reading. No one is perfect.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
43. This is the post that most closely mirrors my own approach, so I'm going to Reply to it,
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:58 PM
May 2021

endorse it and avoid having to come up with a semi-original way to say the same thing on this hot, badly siesta-less afternoon.

You are both all good in my book.

Response to BobTheSubgenius (Reply #43)

Biophilic

(3,651 posts)
47. Thanks, Bob. Where the heck are you. If you were in SE Michigan you would be
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:16 PM
May 2021

enjoying a perfect UP day. Yes, it honestly makes sense. I wish I could share with you. It has been
wonderful. But thanks for you vote of confidence.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
57. I'm in Victoria BC.
Sat May 29, 2021, 10:46 PM
May 2021

It hasn't been that hot, but I'm sensitive to the heat, especially if I'm active.

One of the things I love about Victoria is that it's so temperate. The Japanese Current ensures that it rarely freezes here, and Victoria has never recorded a 100F day.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
15. I admit that when I get a lot of recs on an OP,
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:33 PM
May 2021

it does make me feel good. I've made it to the top of the greatest page three times, but the OPs that made it there, I thought were quite unremarkable, certainly not my best.

I also admit I don't rec as much as I probably should because I participate on a lot of forums and most don't have such a system, so I just dont think about it. I will rec this one.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
16. I didn't see the thread mentioned in the OP.
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:47 PM
May 2021

The only value of recs that I can see is that they "float" some threads to the top of the rest on the trending page.

But I choose to open a thread based more on the thread title than the number of recs.

There is more than one way to say something positive about a thread or a post than simply hitting rec. A positive post in response to the OP or to another post indicates supportiveness of what someone else has said.

Trueblue Texan

(2,429 posts)
17. I missed the post in question...
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:47 PM
May 2021

...but I do see a lot of negative responses to posts that are meant simply to share experiences, opinions, or thoughts. The combative response to many posts frequently make me rethink posting at all. I guess I'm self-censoring here at DU. I wish there were less reactive responses to posts and more thoughtful responses. This is a great place to gain broader perspective on issues, but not if those are presented in a combative manner. Just sayin'.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
18. To look at things that someone has recced, click on their profile.
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:54 PM
May 2021

You will see a button with a star and "recs" on it. If you click on it, you will be able to see all the things the person has recced, at least within a certain time frame.

Some people may have felt that you were judging them in that post, and reacted poorly.

Croney

(4,659 posts)
19. I tend to be tolerant of posts by people I've somehow put in the "good guy"
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:02 PM
May 2021

category, which you're in, but I wouldn't be able to explain the criteria because I think it's checked off in my subconscious.

PortTack

(32,762 posts)
24. I got it... and I agree
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:29 PM
May 2021

I’m one who sometimes reads what the commenters have to say more than the OP, and find your comments spot on..including the one in reference here

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
25. Recs are largely irrelevant. As you noted, they have no correlation with the quality of the post.
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:41 PM
May 2021

Posts that are fake news often get 200+ recs even after many people point out that the news is fake.

For example, the myth that won't die about Ginny Thomas funding a bunch of buses for January 6th was almost immediately debunked, yet one post about it spent the entire day at the top of the rec board, well after the fact.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
27. I rec'd your other post because I agreed with you
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:50 PM
May 2021

I rec’d this one too. Because I agree with you. I have my own beef with the subject of negativity on DU.

spanone

(135,830 posts)
28. Been here since 2002, you're doing great. I've had the same reaction to posts over the years.
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:53 PM
May 2021

Learn to shrug and move on.....

29. K&R
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:01 PM
May 2021

Runs and hides

Seriously, I understood your original post. I believe a lot of folks here appreciate your content, I do.

I’ll confess I was a troll on Yahoo. Posted as a RWNJ. My intent was to demonstrate to normal people that RWNJs are insane. One of my favorite memes was to tell folks how proud my wife and I were to have been married by Fred Phelps of the infamous Westboro Baptist Church. It took a while, but I got called out and banned shortly before the site blocked all replies to stories. I’ve decided not to repeat this on DU.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
32. As someone whose posts I enjoy reading
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:13 PM
May 2021

As someone whose posts I enjoy reading and someone who has been here for a while I think you are good and have no problems posting those questions.

I appreciate it.

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
38. No worries, Atticus!
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:50 PM
May 2021

I'm one of the ones who misunderstood, so I really appreciate this clarification.

I definitely share your sentiments about negative comments. I don't know how many times I've clicked on the subject line of a positive-sounding OP, only to encounter one negative post after another in the comments. I don't keep track of who the negative commenters are, and it doesn't sound like you do, either, but like you, I've definitely noticed the negativity and been bothered by it at times.

Personally, I try to see the big picture of an issue, not just the negative side. I don't always succeed, but I do try, and I absolutely refuse to completely give up hope in the vast majority of cases. There are a few exceptions; for example, I do NOT have any hope of Chump ever growing a conscience or changing in any other meaningful way. However, in this time, when we have a new president who is doing such a fantastic job, I feel that there is quite a bit to feel hopeful about. I wish more people felt the same, or at least that there wouldn't be such a rush to rain on other people's parades sometimes.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
39. I get that.
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:51 PM
May 2021

I can sit at the keyboard and go into minute detail on a subject that I consider worth learning more about. I get all of three recs and one comment. Someone else can post "Trump is a Poopie head" or copy & paste a meme and go straight to the Greatest Page.

I gives recs depending on if the post is something people should be aware of instead of good news that I want to hear. Extra consideration given if it's a hand typed composition.

Hang in there Atticus. I would have rec'd it if I'd seen it.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
44. At some point you need to let it go
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:02 PM
May 2021

Post what you want to share, or post a comment to others' threads.
Comment to comments if you want.
Then just move on.

Personally I don't count 'recs', comments, etc to my threads.
I have so much more in my life to worry about than that.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
60. No shit.
Sun May 30, 2021, 11:45 AM
May 2021

I always wondered what the term “thirsty’ in today’s world meant, but I think I get it now.

Pinback

(12,154 posts)
45. Some members think of DU as their online "family,"
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:04 PM
May 2021

while others come spoiling for a fight or deliberately try to stir up shit, and everything in between. Some members are on a tremendous ego trip and others are self effacing to a fault.

Just as in real life, I know who I like to hang out with and who I can learn from (and the two categories do often overlap!). I try not to take it personally when somebody comes out of nowhere to give me a hard time — or, worse, ignores me!! I know I’ll never get invited to sit at the Cool Kids’ table, and that’s ok. I like the dorks and misfits better anyway. They’re my tribe.

And I try not to worry too much when my post is the one that kills a thread (a particular talent of mine, apparently!) or when my fabulous, laboriously crafted OP gets 4 Recs and withers in minutes (that’s my other talent!).

I share your puzzlement about those who never have a kind word to say and don’t seem to be here to promote the greater good. But, just as in real life, they don’t get under my skin for long because there’s plenty else that’s positive that I’d rather focus on.

I don’t fault you for your post(s) on this topic, though. You’ve brought up a little-spoken truth that’s worthy of attention.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
50. I got your meaning, and yes there are passive DUers
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:25 PM
May 2021

There are contrarian DUers ... people who disagree with everything - no matter what is posted, they'll find some way to disagree with it.

My comment was that not everyone has the ability to post a worthwhile comment simply because they're reading on a cellphone (extremely limited) or a tablet (somewhat limited). Many people just skim through and move on rather than post anything - positive or negative.

If you don't always get a lively debate from every post you make, you shouldn't take offense. Spirited comments are a fluke, depending on the time of your post and whatever else is going on. No need to apologize, my friend.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
52. Personally I think those folks just like to buzz kill.
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:21 PM
May 2021

I think they wake up with resting bitch face face. It sits there all day.

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
53. I'll never forget my worst negative comment experience.
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:28 PM
May 2021

I'd had an excruciatingly long dinner with various in-laws at an "Italian" restaurant where one of the appetizers was canned sardines on Saltine crackers. There were supposed to be two different kinds of pasta but out came four enormous platters of the same kind, ketchup and wieners. No wine. The bright fluorescent lighted room and all that ketchup and wiener pasta, which we struggled to finish, put me into a trance. The conversation was the usual, about relatives living and dead and the best directions to get places. I wrote an OP posted in the Lounge when I got home.

Jerry Seinfeld said that comedy is complaining about things, but everybody knows not to take comedians seriously when they complain and are ready to laugh. Not so for anybody else. The first comment on what I thought was an amusing, light hearted story: First World Problems.

I often end up just doing a K&R or +1 rather than comment. The negatively is annoying. I really admire people who post OPs often and can deal with it.

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
55. Here's a rec from me. It doesn't count for much. I'm a big time recker or wrecker or something.
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:54 PM
May 2021

Mostly I love this place, and many of the fine writers here, at least since I made the very pleasant discovery of the magnificent "ignore" button.

I see lots of stuff I recommend.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

DiamondShark

(787 posts)
59. Again posting in General and not the Lounge?
Sun May 30, 2021, 11:44 AM
May 2021

I don't get it, you post one hit and run OP, and instead of engaging with your readers, you post yet another OP.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
64. Gee, I am terribly sorry I did not place my OP in the forum where you thought it should be!
Sun May 30, 2021, 12:59 PM
May 2021

EX-C-U-U-USE ME, ok?

Response to Atticus (Reply #64)

DiamondShark

(787 posts)
72. Wow, not the respone I was expecting.
Mon May 31, 2021, 05:40 PM
May 2021
Are you doing ok? Do you need to talk?

And turns out I was wrong about the Lounge, it isn't appropriate for this kind of topic. I didn't think it fell in line for GD either but
The DU Lounge
Our social forum. Relax with your friends and talk about off-topic stuff. The Lounge is supposed to be a friendly, welcoming place for everyone. No cliquish behavior. No drama. No political arguments. No whining about DU.
 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
62. If you didn't know how to find out if people rec'ed a thread or not, why did you say you did know?
Sun May 30, 2021, 11:47 AM
May 2021

I didn’t know, but I’m pretty new here. In the wake of your thread, I learned that one can find that information on the profile page. I’m assuming you know that.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
63. Uh, I never said I "knew" for a scientific fact that the several people I had in mind had never-ever
Sun May 30, 2021, 12:55 PM
May 2021

in their lives recced a post. I made a general statement which most understood as such.

Like you, I NOW know how to monitor someone's rec history, but I don't care at all about such precise BS. If you assumed I had actually been so childish as to check out such trivial nonsense, you were very wrong.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
67. Well, I made my assumption based on the claim you made in your op.
Sun May 30, 2021, 02:24 PM
May 2021

You don’t have to own it. That’s up to you.

senseandsensibility

(17,026 posts)
65. I rec'd this so that you can't say I never rec anything!
Sun May 30, 2021, 01:10 PM
May 2021

lol, seriously though, there was nothing wrong with your OP.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
70. I generally like your posts and think you are a valuable member.
Sun May 30, 2021, 08:48 PM
May 2021

Your last post did not make me angry or anything. But as a 5 plus year member with over 10,000 posts and no recs given I wanted to make you aware it’s not a good metric for judging DU members.

Until you posted I did not know how. And could not tell you if I’ve ever gotten any.

I don’t see any need to worry about your post. It was fine. But like often on DU good people can disagree about things. Especially picayune things like this.

Have a meaningful holiday.

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