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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsApparently, I am a very poor communicator. I recently posted an OP that I thought was pretty
clear and straightforward. SEE: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215473923#post67
My entire intent was to express my genuine puzzlement about the few DUers who only seem to make negative responses to posts and seem to never have a positive comment.
Somehow, this nothing-burger of a post led some to assume that 1.) I was fishing for recs; 2.) I had somehow checked up on some DUers' rec frequency; and, 3.) that I was of the opinion that anyone has an obligation to rec posts they like or appreciate.
Recs are NOT, IMHO, an accurate assessment of whether a post is worthwhile or well-said. No one should feel any obligation to rec anyone's post. My point was not that there is anything wrong or remarkable about people who never or seldom rec. My point was that people who make ONLY negative remarks are people who puzzle me. Why bother to tear someone down when you won't take the time to give a thumbs up to someone whose post inspires you?
Finally, if there is a way to check up on someone's rec numbers, I am not aware of it and don't care to find out about it.
I apologize for the confusion my OP apparently spawned.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,611 posts)Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Atticus can post whatever he wants, wherever he wants, anytime he wants in my book.
He been here since pretty much day one and has written some "most excellent " posts.
jimfields33
(15,789 posts)Mainly I forget to. I typically get right to the OP, read comments, add a comment here and there. Then off to the next OP.
birdographer
(1,325 posts)It never occurred to me that anyone would (a) care, or (b) actually check to see if I rec posts. I'm more of a commenter as well. As for my own posts, which are mostly just photos in the photography group, while a rec is nice, a friendly comment means more IMO.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)But since you've started a whole new post about it today: counting recs wasn't an assumption. When you flat out say certain posters make no recs, the only reasonable basis for making that statement is that you've been (at least) rec-stalking the posters you feel aren't making positive comments.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)Last edited Sat May 29, 2021, 05:06 PM - Edit history (1)
handful of folks whose names I have seen frequently on OPs, somewhat less frequently on negative or neutral responses and "never" on a rec list for anyone's post?
I was not aware that generalizations were offensive and your assumption---yes, that's what it was--- that I had been "counting recs" is an amazing one.
Respond as you wish. I have no interest in further back and forth.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)Since recs are not visible at all, unless you click on the count, to know someone "never" recs, you would have to be clicking repeatedly to look for those people in your "never rec."
Not an assumption- it is inherent in the comment you made. It's not in our profiles. There is no other way I am aware of to know - other than to be checking the alert list and taking note of who is "never" there.
As I said - I refrained from making a snarky comment in the original thread - but your OP here challenged the "assumptions" people were making. Just pointing out that we weren't making assumptions.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)That said, I wasn't particularly disturbed by the post. If someone wants to look at every poster and see 'who recs what', they can knock themselves out. Seems awfully arduous for minimal results however
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)which is why I didn't comment in the initial thread. I just had a knee jerk reaction that I decided to restrain.
It just seemed a bit odd to rehash the whole thing in a new thread by suggesting that those who did respond were makng assumptions.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)pwb
(11,261 posts)Seems we all get jumped once in awhile. It don't mean nothin.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)... it's been that kind of year.
Srkdqltr
(6,276 posts)Should have LIKES like FB.
hlthe2b
(102,239 posts)I guess those more "analytical" (critical) showed up shortly thereafter.
Still got 69 recs and counting though.
Leith
(7,809 posts)I agreed.
Most of us have lived through several troll attacks on DU. It can make us leery when a bunch of new posters arrive around the same time and don't take the time to see how things go here.
I feel a little guilty for not saying it before, but I really like your posts. Seeing your name as OP is a good enough reason to open the thread.
Cheers!
Biophilic
(3,651 posts)that the post was worth a look. Half the time I don't remember to rec a post. Although I never rec a post that is negative. Life is too short unless something really important is being said. I always read your posts, Atticus, 'cause they are almost always worth reading. No one is perfect.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)endorse it and avoid having to come up with a semi-original way to say the same thing on this hot, badly siesta-less afternoon.
You are both all good in my book.
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Biophilic
(3,651 posts)enjoying a perfect UP day. Yes, it honestly makes sense. I wish I could share with you. It has been
wonderful. But thanks for you vote of confidence.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)It hasn't been that hot, but I'm sensitive to the heat, especially if I'm active.
One of the things I love about Victoria is that it's so temperate. The Japanese Current ensures that it rarely freezes here, and Victoria has never recorded a 100F day.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)it does make me feel good. I've made it to the top of the greatest page three times, but the OPs that made it there, I thought were quite unremarkable, certainly not my best.
I also admit I don't rec as much as I probably should because I participate on a lot of forums and most don't have such a system, so I just dont think about it. I will rec this one.
wnylib
(21,447 posts)The only value of recs that I can see is that they "float" some threads to the top of the rest on the trending page.
But I choose to open a thread based more on the thread title than the number of recs.
There is more than one way to say something positive about a thread or a post than simply hitting rec. A positive post in response to the OP or to another post indicates supportiveness of what someone else has said.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)multigraincracker
(32,675 posts)Trueblue Texan
(2,429 posts)...but I do see a lot of negative responses to posts that are meant simply to share experiences, opinions, or thoughts. The combative response to many posts frequently make me rethink posting at all. I guess I'm self-censoring here at DU. I wish there were less reactive responses to posts and more thoughtful responses. This is a great place to gain broader perspective on issues, but not if those are presented in a combative manner. Just sayin'.
ShazzieB
(16,389 posts)I completely agree with your observations.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)You will see a button with a star and "recs" on it. If you click on it, you will be able to see all the things the person has recced, at least within a certain time frame.
Some people may have felt that you were judging them in that post, and reacted poorly.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Just kidding
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Croney
(4,659 posts)category, which you're in, but I wouldn't be able to explain the criteria because I think it's checked off in my subconscious.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)PortTack
(32,762 posts)Im one who sometimes reads what the commenters have to say more than the OP, and find your comments spot on..including the one in reference here
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Posts that are fake news often get 200+ recs even after many people point out that the news is fake.
For example, the myth that won't die about Ginny Thomas funding a bunch of buses for January 6th was almost immediately debunked, yet one post about it spent the entire day at the top of the rec board, well after the fact.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,369 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)I recd this one too. Because I agree with you. I have my own beef with the subject of negativity on DU.
spanone
(135,830 posts)Learn to shrug and move on.....
Retired Engineer Bob
(759 posts)Runs and hides
Seriously, I understood your original post. I believe a lot of folks here appreciate your content, I do.
Ill confess I was a troll on Yahoo. Posted as a RWNJ. My intent was to demonstrate to normal people that RWNJs are insane. One of my favorite memes was to tell folks how proud my wife and I were to have been married by Fred Phelps of the infamous Westboro Baptist Church. It took a while, but I got called out and banned shortly before the site blocked all replies to stories. Ive decided not to repeat this on DU.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Dont worry about it. Weve seen ya here for years.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)As someone whose posts I enjoy reading and someone who has been here for a while I think you are good and have no problems posting those questions.
I appreciate it.
paleotn
(17,912 posts)ShazzieB
(16,389 posts)I'm one of the ones who misunderstood, so I really appreciate this clarification.
I definitely share your sentiments about negative comments. I don't know how many times I've clicked on the subject line of a positive-sounding OP, only to encounter one negative post after another in the comments. I don't keep track of who the negative commenters are, and it doesn't sound like you do, either, but like you, I've definitely noticed the negativity and been bothered by it at times.
Personally, I try to see the big picture of an issue, not just the negative side. I don't always succeed, but I do try, and I absolutely refuse to completely give up hope in the vast majority of cases. There are a few exceptions; for example, I do NOT have any hope of Chump ever growing a conscience or changing in any other meaningful way. However, in this time, when we have a new president who is doing such a fantastic job, I feel that there is quite a bit to feel hopeful about. I wish more people felt the same, or at least that there wouldn't be such a rush to rain on other people's parades sometimes.
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)I can sit at the keyboard and go into minute detail on a subject that I consider worth learning more about. I get all of three recs and one comment. Someone else can post "Trump is a Poopie head" or copy & paste a meme and go straight to the Greatest Page.
I gives recs depending on if the post is something people should be aware of instead of good news that I want to hear. Extra consideration given if it's a hand typed composition.
Hang in there Atticus. I would have rec'd it if I'd seen it.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Post what you want to share, or post a comment to others' threads.
Comment to comments if you want.
Then just move on.
Personally I don't count 'recs', comments, etc to my threads.
I have so much more in my life to worry about than that.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I always wondered what the term thirsty in todays world meant, but I think I get it now.
Pinback
(12,154 posts)while others come spoiling for a fight or deliberately try to stir up shit, and everything in between. Some members are on a tremendous ego trip and others are self effacing to a fault.
Just as in real life, I know who I like to hang out with and who I can learn from (and the two categories do often overlap!). I try not to take it personally when somebody comes out of nowhere to give me a hard time or, worse, ignores me!! I know Ill never get invited to sit at the Cool Kids table, and thats ok. I like the dorks and misfits better anyway. Theyre my tribe.
And I try not to worry too much when my post is the one that kills a thread (a particular talent of mine, apparently!) or when my fabulous, laboriously crafted OP gets 4 Recs and withers in minutes (thats my other talent!).
I share your puzzlement about those who never have a kind word to say and dont seem to be here to promote the greater good. But, just as in real life, they dont get under my skin for long because theres plenty else thats positive that Id rather focus on.
I dont fault you for your post(s) on this topic, though. Youve brought up a little-spoken truth thats worthy of attention.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)There are contrarian DUers ... people who disagree with everything - no matter what is posted, they'll find some way to disagree with it.
My comment was that not everyone has the ability to post a worthwhile comment simply because they're reading on a cellphone (extremely limited) or a tablet (somewhat limited). Many people just skim through and move on rather than post anything - positive or negative.
If you don't always get a lively debate from every post you make, you shouldn't take offense. Spirited comments are a fluke, depending on the time of your post and whatever else is going on. No need to apologize, my friend.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)I think they wake up with resting bitch face face. It sits there all day.
betsuni
(25,486 posts)I'd had an excruciatingly long dinner with various in-laws at an "Italian" restaurant where one of the appetizers was canned sardines on Saltine crackers. There were supposed to be two different kinds of pasta but out came four enormous platters of the same kind, ketchup and wieners. No wine. The bright fluorescent lighted room and all that ketchup and wiener pasta, which we struggled to finish, put me into a trance. The conversation was the usual, about relatives living and dead and the best directions to get places. I wrote an OP posted in the Lounge when I got home.
Jerry Seinfeld said that comedy is complaining about things, but everybody knows not to take comedians seriously when they complain and are ready to laugh. Not so for anybody else. The first comment on what I thought was an amusing, light hearted story: First World Problems.
I often end up just doing a K&R or +1 rather than comment. The negatively is annoying. I really admire people who post OPs often and can deal with it.
NNadir
(33,516 posts)Mostly I love this place, and many of the fine writers here, at least since I made the very pleasant discovery of the magnificent "ignore" button.
I see lots of stuff I recommend.
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DiamondShark
(787 posts)I don't get it, you post one hit and run OP, and instead of engaging with your readers, you post yet another OP.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)EX-C-U-U-USE ME, ok?
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DiamondShark
(787 posts)And turns out I was wrong about the Lounge, it isn't appropriate for this kind of topic. I didn't think it fell in line for GD either but
Our social forum. Relax with your friends and talk about off-topic stuff. The Lounge is supposed to be a friendly, welcoming place for everyone. No cliquish behavior. No drama. No political arguments. No whining about DU.
malaise
(268,976 posts)flying fuck about recs I love your posts
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I didnt know, but Im pretty new here. In the wake of your thread, I learned that one can find that information on the profile page. Im assuming you know that.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)in their lives recced a post. I made a general statement which most understood as such.
Like you, I NOW know how to monitor someone's rec history, but I don't care at all about such precise BS. If you assumed I had actually been so childish as to check out such trivial nonsense, you were very wrong.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)You dont have to own it. Thats up to you.
senseandsensibility
(17,026 posts)lol, seriously though, there was nothing wrong with your OP.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Your last post did not make me angry or anything. But as a 5 plus year member with over 10,000 posts and no recs given I wanted to make you aware its not a good metric for judging DU members.
Until you posted I did not know how. And could not tell you if Ive ever gotten any.
I dont see any need to worry about your post. It was fine. But like often on DU good people can disagree about things. Especially picayune things like this.
Have a meaningful holiday.