Meanwhile in Canada....

[Heartstrings]

Sorry if this comes off as smug, but the endless excuses for the irresponsible lack of gun control in the USA don't hold water. Stop with the excuses and cynical prayers. You need gun control now!



Sent to me from a Canadian Facebook friend.

[SoCalDavidS]

1. They Should Save Their Breath

NOTHING is going to change in America.

[Escurumbele]

21. If you think you can or you think you can't, you are right! Henry Ford

Maybe we need to start thinking positive on this, and many other issues. When we say "nothing will happen in America" it automatically prevents us from giving our small contribution to the cause. I prevented a friend of mine from buying a gun, he is not crazy, but he has kids, teenagers, so I talked him out of it...one gun less out there...not much to brag about but if we all get at least one person to not buy a gun maybe the numbers some day will count.

Also, we need to spread the word about the need of implementing rigid gun control, we can talk to people, spread the word, but if we don't believe it will happen we will not do anything because why?

[SoCalDavidS]

23. Good For You On Helping The Cause

I truly believe we are past the point of no return. I don't see anything changing for the better in my lifetime.

If anything, it will get worse.

There are far too many in this country that literally don't give a shit about the lives of others. It is what it is, and it's just pure luck that separates those who will be victims of gun violence, and those who won't. Wrong place, wrong time type of thing.

[Evolve Dammit]

45. I would not disagree with your post; sadly.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. Imagine being smug days after the discovery of 215 bodies at the Kamloops School.

[RussellCattle]

6. They looked for the bodies. We'll have to see if we look around our tribal schools.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. Indeed!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. When you start looking, you can maybe think one day you can call other nations "smug"

But first you have to START looking.

If you are honest you will retract your slam.

[Cobalt Violet]

8. It wasn't the government of Canada that looked though.

It was a tribal nation. Outrageous there isn't more of a government effort in both countries.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. It didn't happen until government paid for the ground-penetrating radar

But the Tk’emlups community long suspected that more children were buried on the grounds and tried for about 20 years to find them. Recently, a government grant allowed the nation to pay for ground-penetrating radar,

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-kamloops-residential-school-mass-graves-215-children-explainer/

[akbacchus_BC]

72. No, you are wrong. The Canadian Govt approved the money for the search,

but when Harper became the Prime Minister, he stopped it. It was the Indigenous people who persevered to uncover the mass graves in Kamloops.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

75. No, though you are right about the indigineous people perservering

It seems that the government approved the money, stopped the money and then approved it again.

What's the difference? Liberal, Conservative (Harper), Liberal.

I wrote this post accepting your word on the funding issue, though I was unable to find information about it other than the mention in the Globe and Mail. They reported "recently a government grant ..." but did not say which level of government, so I'm playing your mention of Harper as an indication of the federal level. Do you have more information on this issue?

Thank goodness the Tk’emlups community perservered. It helps us all reconcile and heal, First Nations most of all re healing, but all of us need to know.

[luvtheGWN]

26. And they're going to be searching every residential school

all across Canada to look for more bodies.

It's a shameful, heinous part of our history (trying to knock the "Indian" out of these kids, to paraphrase first Prime Minister MacDonald). But, we are acknowledging the horrible wrongs of the past and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission is at least listening and trying to right these wrongs.

We in North America have much, TOO MUCH to answer for.

[AllyCat]

27. This

[malaise]

10. Careful - versions of these schools were everywhere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_School_for_Boys


The Florida School for Boys, also known as the Arthur G. Dozier School for Boys (AGDS), was a reform school operated by the state of Florida in the panhandle town of Marianna from January 1, 1900, to June 30, 2011.[1][2] A second campus was opened in the town of Okeechobee in 1955. For a time, it was the largest juvenile reform institution in the United States.[3]

Throughout its 111-year history, the school gained a reputation for abuse, beatings, rapes, torture, and even murder of students by staff. Despite periodic investigations, changes of leadership, and promises to improve, the allegations of cruelty and abuse continued.

After the school failed a state inspection in 2009, the governor ordered a full investigation. Many of the historic and recent allegations of abuse and violence were confirmed by separate investigations by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement in 2010, and by the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice in 2011.[4] State authorities closed the school permanently in June 2011. At the time of its closure, it was a part of the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice.[5]

Because of questions about the number of deaths at the school and a high number of unmarked graves, the state authorized a forensic anthropology survey by University of South Florida in 2012. They identified 55 burials on the grounds, most outside the cemetery, and documented nearly 100 deaths at the school. The state said it did not have authority to allow exhumation of graves, which would permit determination of cause of death and identification of remains. (In addition it wanted to sell land on the property.) A family member of a student who died at the school in 1934, and who wanted to reinter his remains, filed suit and gained an injunction against the state's moving ahead with the sale before remains could be exhumed and identified. The state responded to the court injunction and authorized more work by a multi-disciplinary team from the University of South Florida, including exhumations. In January 2016, the USF team issued its final report, having made seven DNA matches and 14 presumptive identifications of remains. They will continue to work on identification. Three times as many black as white students died and were buried at Dozier.[6]

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. During over 80 years. Imagine being smug in USA that ONLY 299 CHILDREN died in 2020 gun violence

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls

Being smug that only Five Thousand Four Hundred Fifteen people (5,415) died in 2021 SO FAR.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/04/16/more-than-one-mass-shooting-per-day-has-occurred-in-2021/?sh=7e1dd6664932
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=71

Take your smugness and shove it.

[StClone]

41. Kids are shooting back, America is great!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/02/us/florida-deputies-shooting-teen/index.html

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Imagine being smug that there is no Truth and Reconciliation in the US for Native Americans

Canada has a process. We're getting it done (slowly).

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Imagine being smug on the 100th anniversary when HUNDREDS Americans died in ONE DAY . . . nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. Imagine being a smug American when the USA is trying to HIDE 1619 & slavery & Jan 6

The Canadian government and Provincial governments are not trying to hide our past.

We are UNCOVERING it.

We're not WHITE-washing school textbooks in 2021.

[intheflow]

19. My exact take.

[Bev54]

25. Smug?? because we face our history and its problems?

Your country has still not come to grips with slavery, let alone all the post slavery lynching's and black massacre's as we have all learned in the recent months, because it was hidden from the population. We will likely find more as the government, along with the indigenous bands, are searching every property where there was a residential school to find out how many more there may be. We will deal with that fallout as well.

[Scrivener7]

32. Are you fucking kidding me?

[akbacchus_BC]

70. Nobody is being smug. It is two different issues. What the govt and the catholic school

did to Indigenous children and their families is reprehensible. Can you imagine having your children laughing and playing in the yard and then the govt took them away, never to hear if they are ok. Nobody had the decency to even inform the parents that their loved ones were gone due to the cruelty at these schools. Makes me so sick what Indigenous people went through and still going through,

[LanternWaste]

93. John Wesley Harding. A man so mean he once shot someone just for snoring.

I thought I'd entertain one irrelevancy with another.

[BarbD]

3. We know what we need---we just can't get the laws passed.

You have every right to be smug about it. Count your blessings.

[NJCher]

5. and

it's frustrating as hell:

We know what we need---we just can't get the laws passed.

[Jarqui]

4. If one wanted gun control in the US,

just give all the minorities in the US an AR15.

You'll have gun control in no time.

[GulfCoast66]

52. Isn't that the truth. If I were an African American I would own one and know how to use it.

Too many times in our history government has not only turned a blind eye to violence against them but instigated it.

[whathehell]

98. How do you know they don't?

Done any surveys on African- American gun ownership?

[GulfCoast66]

118. I never insinuated African Americans don't. I know some that do. And practice with them.

I was just endorsing that position.

[plimsoll]

90. I'm pretty sure the GOP would be all for gun control if Jan 6 had been a success.

Wouldn't want liberals getting any ideas now.

[whathehell]

97. Riiiight

Lol..I just LOVE all you out of country "experts" on our problems.

[smirkymonkey]

9. K&R

[SoonerPride]

11. I wish I could move to Canada.

Really.

It sounds like a pleasant place to live.

And not nearly as hot and humid as Oklahoma.

[roamer65]

15. Beautiful British Columbia.

I don’t know if they still have that license plate, but it is NO lie.

British Columbia IS beautiful.

[SeattleVet]

22. They still do...

and I look forward to the day when we can once again cross the border to be able to enjoy some of that beauty. We loved being able to go to Vancouver, Victoria, Sun Valley, Whistler, Nanaimo, etc. We have friends north of the border that we haven't seen in 2 years or so now.

[roamer65]

24. I did a diving trip many years ago in the Johnstone Strait.

In between the mainland and Vancouver Island.

I still remember it vividly to this day. Playing with the seals in the water was amazing.

[grantcart]

86. Did you ever see their freshwater phosphorous lakes? Amazing

[roamer65]

91. I didn't.

It was all diving.

[whathehell]

108. Playing with seals in the water?

I guess those aren't among the 400,000 baby seals they slaughter each year in their seal hunts -- I bet that's 'amazing' too.

[roamer65]

117. They are very curious animals.

Not deserving of any slaughter.

[whathehell]

119. Canada routinely slaughters about 400,000 baby seals a year

primarily for their fur..It is the largest slaughter of marine mammals
on earth. They are clubbed to death
As might be expected, it draws international revulsion and condemnation.

https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/about-canadian-seal-hunt

[roamer65]

120. I know they still did but not that many.

I went above water, clapped my gloved hands together and made seal-like sounds.

They would come over and look through my mask glass and swim all around me.

Never will forget it.

[whathehell]

121. Yes, that many, and It's brutally cruel..

I've read that they're dragged from their mothers and clubbed to death -- ..So much for that humane, 'civilized' Canada image.

https://www.peta.org/category/campaigns/canadian-seal-slaughter/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/wildlife-watch-canada-harp-seal-hunt

[BobTheSubgenius]

30. We do, and it is.

I can't imagine living anywhere except the SW coast of BC. It's expensive, but you get what you pay for, I guess. How people pay is beyond me, but they do. I bought my wee piece of the dream in 79 and consider myself incredibly fortunate.

The dirt my house sits on is worth 15 times what I paid for the house and land together. If you tore it down and built even a modest house on this lot, it would be worth 30 times as much as I paid. How young people have ANY hope of owning even a little piece of all this beauty, I can't even imagine.

[roamer65]

40. I could very easily live there.

Just breathtaking.

[George II]

48. And in many places not nearly as cold and snowy. I should have done so years ago.....

....when I was a lot younger. I'd even do it tomorrow if I was 10 years younger. It's really a great country, but not without their own problems and rightwingers.

[SammyWinstonJack]

60. I wish I could. I would in a New York minute.

[raccoon]

74. Same here in SC. But Canada doesn't want people my age. Nt

[LakeArenal]

84. My dad was from Prince Edward Island.

Beautiful and not as cold as some think.

[whathehell]

99. Apart from the current Covid problem

What's keeping you?

[SoonerPride]

105. Family responsibilities

Those won’t last forever and I hope to be able to move to Canada in 10 years.

Maybe sooner.

[whathehell]

106. I see..

It's good that you get there eventually, though. Perhaps then you'll see that, in the words of Canadian DUers themselves, it's not the virtuous, discrimination free paradise you imagine.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/canada-must-stop-normalizing-inequality-for-indigenous-people/

[SoonerPride]

107. Come on. I live in Oklahoma

You must be joking.

Yeah Canada has been an offender against First Nations People.

My state was literally stolen from them.

Canada seems like utopia in comparison.

Really

[whathehell]

111. ."Come on", nothing

I'm not joking at ALL
Your state was stolen?.. Weren't they ALL stolen?..Wasn't, in fact, Canada 'stolen' as well?

Canada seems like "Utopia" in comparison because you don't LIVE there, and have, I suspect, very limited knowledge of their problems

[Bev54]

112. Funny you have no problems weighing in on our country but

chastise us Canadians at DU for commenting on yours. Wow!

[whathehell]

115. Funny you haven't noticed you've put the cart before the horse

I was just responding to Canadians presuming to lecture us on OUR problems, without acknowledging their own.

[Midnight Writer]

18. I reckon they don't have videogames in Canada.

[JHB]

109. They do, but when something unfortunate happens in the game...

...the exclamation is "Oh dear!"


(I know a real example of this)

[KT2000]

20. I shared this

with my BIL who is just sure there will be a need to fight back against the government if something or other happens. I tell him things like this and it is like I am not even talking.

[Martin68]

28. You don't need to apologize for just pointing out the truth.

[SergeStorms]

29. The majority of Americans agree.

However, we have another thing Canadians don't have. Politicians who are willing to sell their souls to the NRA and demented gun nuts for campaign contributions. And those are BIG campaign contributions.

The money that influences our political system is obscene, and no one will do anything about that, either. It's the main reason 75% of our politicians are in politics in the first place.

[Kaleva]

39. the money donated to gun control groups is tiny compared to the amounts pro-gun groups get

My guess is that not many here donate to the various gun control groups.

the below article is from 2012 but it highlights the problem:

"By the Numbers: Comparing Spending by Gun Rights and Gun Control Interest Groups"

https://www.propublica.org/article/by-the-numbers-comparing-spending-by-gun-rights-and-gun-control-interest-gr

[dawn5651]

43. oh we have them...check out the rwnjs in alberta

[BobTheSubgenius]

55. A suprising, or at least unexpected, partial reason for that difference is the Canadian

election timetable. Elections are mandated to be held every 5 years, but can be called early by the current governing party, or by the opposition being able to marshal enough votes to declare a non-confidence motion and dissolve the government. Both situations trigger a new election. That, in and of itself, is not the most remarkable thing about the whole process. however.

The real genius, in my opinion, is the very, VERY short campaigns that lead up to election day. From the day the election is called, until the day it is held, has never been more than 78 days. This leaves such little time for spending money and buying influence that the whole process of government is freed up to work much better. Again, my opinion.

But what would REALLY help American politics is the limitations placed on donations to politicians. Only Canadian citizens/natural persons can contribute to a politician, and the maximum donation is $1550. You can, however, donate that every year, and for the second year forward, you can increase your donation by $25. You can donate this amount to one party, or two or more. No corporate donations is really the key, though. Again, my opinion, of which I seem to have several on the subject.

And, as a small side issue, only paper ballots, counted by hand. We always know for sure who the winner is by the following day at the latest. Usually on election night.

I'm sure you can see both the shortcomings and advantages of the Canadian system. If there were only one perfect way to run one's elections, everyone would do that.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

59. Great points on short campaign, limited donations, lack of corporate money, paper ballots

If there is a way for the US to make something needlessly complicated, they will find it. Reference voting machines, restrictive election laws, huge tax code to hide corporate subsidies, and a health care system that costs twice as much per capita and is less effective while bankrupting many people.

[KPN]

68. Sigh. Why can't we have sensibility like that?

[MontanaMama]

33. I talk to Canadian business owners several times a week...

the businesses that I deal with tend to be politically right leaning and or in the RWNJ category. That said, the vast majority of them vehemently disagree with their gun laws, the Covid lock down, mask mandates and have no love at all for Justin Trudeau. I have to bite my tongue because I make a living manufacturing and selling a niche product that isn’t available north of the border. Bottom line is that there is a scary fascist undercurrent in Canada too and plenty of Canadians are buying into it. Lord knows I have to hear about it way more than I want.

[Bev54]

63. That is true, we have conservative nut jobs here as well and the anti maskers

but 85% of Canadians want the vaccine, most are ok with masks, there is not the same uproar here about it. The few there are get drowned out. I have relatives and friends that don't like Trudeau, most of them are men and rarely can they provide a legitimate reason, when I point out what the conservatives did to this country. They are the reason we no longer have vaccine manufacturing. Yes there is an undercurrent but it is not as prevalent in the US and has been around for a long while. Trump seemed to give them permission to be aholes here as well. The worst ones here are many that winter in the US and have been influenced by their Trumper friends.

[Gymbo]

34. In Our Defense

Canada doesn't have a population problem. They have 37 million people spread over ten provinces, we have nearly 330 million over 50 states. Of course things run smoothly in Canada, how could it not? Give us a break, when Canada is as populated, and as complicated, as the U.S. and things run as smoothly as today, I will be more than happy to throw kudos their way.

[Ferrets are Cool]

37. Give us a break???????????????

Why? WE deserve all the derision that is throw in our direction. We should be ASHAMED to be so callous of all the mass shootings in 'Merica. We, and I include myself in this, are all too busy making a living and buying "stuff" to be out on the streets in mass until WMD's are outlawed.

Hell, in Europe, they demonstrated en mass just recently just because the rich football owners were planning to fark up their precious game. The demonstrations were so successful that the plan was canceled inside a week. All this over a game, and yet WE can't get off the couch to stop the killing of school children. No, we don't deserve to be "given a break".

[knightmaar]

51. What? Our population is entirely crammed up against the southern border.

We have skyrocketing house prices in all of our major cities right now.

Most of our land is non-arable and a tonne of it is uninhabitable in any concentrations above a few people per square kilometre.

Density is not the problem.

[Bev54]

64. The biggest problem - self reflection.

[LanternWaste]

94. Defense of what? Defense of mass shootings?

There is no defense.

[DownriverDem]

35. Yes we do, but

too many politicians will never step up. They are afraid of of the voters.

[colsohlibgal]

36. That Damn Amendment

It has turned into an excuse to let any loser or psycho load up on Military grade weaponry.

So now we have mass shootings seemingly every other day.

[BlueWavePsych]

38. Nice to know we can 'visit' if we transform into Gilead.

[dawn5651]

42. i wouldn't call this true. nova scotia,,,mass shooting a year ago....ontario,,,3 people shot in a

restaurant 1 person dead...cops going on wellness checks killing the person they are supposed to be checking on...we have a gun problem ..and it covers all segments of our society. it just isn't covered in the united states like canada covers mass shootings in the united states.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

46. The numbers do not compare. Not even close

To account for population, multiply Canadian numbers by 9 or divide US numbers by 9.

In 2017, a bad year, 267 Canadians died by gun homicide. 267 x 9 = 2403

In 2017, there were 15,723 Americans killed by gun violence. 15723 / 9 = 1747.

15,723 is a lot more than 2,403.
Equivalently, 267 is a lot less than 1,747.

Americans are dying at a rate SEVEN TIMES GREATER, even accounting for population.

In 2020, roughly as many American CHILDREN were killed by gun violence (299) as total people were killed in Canada.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510007201
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls

[peppertree]

44. And they've got hockey brawls! But - you guessed it -

No mass shooting problem.

[Baked Potato]

47. is Inequality an issue in Canada? I can find stats and articles online,

and they show “inequality” is rising, but I don’t know which sources are trusted in Canada.

I think inequality drives many of America’s problems.

Is there a storm brewing in Canada with respect to inequality?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

49. Which inequality?

Wealth and Income disparity? Rising. https://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/hot-topics/canInequality.aspx

Inequality under law? Declining.

Systemic racism? Being worked on, more or less. Present to some degree, but declining, I think.

[Baked Potato]

53. Wealth and income. I suppose that's a worldwide thing.

[Bev54]

65. To some extent yes but not like the US

The wealthy and corporations are taxed and while there are loopholes not as many as you have. Our province has had a $15 minimum wage for about 5-6 years and everyone screamed it was going to make businesses go broke, it didn't. Our biggest problems with wealth inequality came from out of country residents buying our realestate, sight unseen, increasing prices unrealistically for our residents. That is still a problem that many places are trying to deal with. The other thing I have found here, is our wealthy are much more humble and easily coalesce with us mere workers. We have some dicks for politicians but not much corruption and if there is they still have shame.

[Baked Potato]

82. Thanks for the details. It sounds like your conditions are

very similar to USA with speculators in real estate and the hesitation to pay living wages. Looks like there is still some trust in your country which is extremely lacking in ours. T***p crossed many lines and there is no going back in many areas.

[akbacchus_BC]

71. Canada is not a beacon of virtue. Racism is alive and well here.

Check out how the abuse against Asian Chinese after Covid.

[whathehell]

104. Thanks AGAIN...Canadian discrimination against their Indigenous people

is, it seems, a continuing problem.

https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/discrimination-aboriginals-native-lands-canada

[zentrum]

50. Learned today that the 2nd..

...amendment came into being so that White slave owners could keep their Slaves in line.

That says everything there is to say about guns and America.

[SYFROYH]

54. Not quite. Slave control was an interest of southern states, but even abolitionist Pennsylvania...

... had a right to keep and bear arms statement in their state constitution.

From the PA Declaration of Rights in their Constitution:
XIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

[treestar]

56. No second amendment

That’s what gets in our way

[Bev54]

67. It is the misinterpretation of your second amendment that gets in the way

[treestar]

80. Yes, that may be

The SCOTUS holding that it granted an individual right is the problem. But it being there brought the issue about. The Founders had a lot of good ideas, and the Second likely seemed a good idea at the time. They could not know what an albatross it could become.

[whathehell]

101. So, you know all about it, do you?

Gee..Maybe our big problem is not having brought YOU in to explain it to us!

[Bev54]

110. Wow what a friendly and welcoming person you are!

[whathehell]

113. Yes!

and what a modest, non- presumptuous person You are!

[Bev54]

114. Save your insults for someone else

I would have to respect you to be insulted by you.

[whathehell]

116. What insults?

I thought they were compliments.. As yours to me when
calling me a "friendly, welcoming person".

[whathehell]

57. Yeah, um, I think we get it..

You "do not have a mass shooting problem" -- Gotcha.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

58. No, you do not get it.

It's not about Canada, duh. It's about the US mass shooting problem.

I have heard every excuse listed there, at various times over the years in the US, cited by the Right Wing as a reason why the US has a mass shooting problem.

The point is that the Right Wing will blame everything except the mass availability of guns.

[whathehell]

66. The Hell I don't

and, sorry, "duh", but the post IS about Canada and their lack of a mass shooting problem. Do you know what else Canada lacks? -- A.Second Amendment that makes it much harder to enact gun restrictions --
- Have a nice day.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

73. Of course no 2nd A in Canada or Oz or UK or .... But that is a list of US RW excuses, debunked.

And there are a number of OTHER countries that could have been used to debunk those points about the US Right Wing gun nuts. So, no, it only about Canada on the surface. Duh.

Go ahead, stick your head in the sand and pretend those are not US RW gun nut talking points, debunked. Sure, ignore them, pretend they don't exist, and pretend that 2A is the only reason little progress is made.

[whathehell]

78. Are you KIDDING me?..it's no "RW excuse", it's a FACT

and a huge OBSTACLE in our fight for stricter laws, 'duh', one
YOU clearly fail to grasp -- Try EDUCATING yourself on our country and it's laws before coming here and "sounding off".

[Bernardo de La Paz]

81. Yes, I know 2A is a fact. I never claimed it was an RW excuse, so don't attempt to

... so don't attempt to stuff words into my mouth that I didn't say. It's a cheap debating tactic deployed when there is no counter to the main points.

1) You don't like the message in the OP, though you know it is true. So you attack the third party (Canada in this case, but perhaps you would have also attacked the UK, or maybe only just Canada).

2) You have not denied any of the facts in the OP and you can't deny the facts, so you attack the messengers.

3) Now you try to misdirect by attacking things a poster (myself) never said.

Those facts are counters to RW excuses. The Second Amendment to the US Constitution (as it is currently interpreted) is a big impediment. I never denied that and nobody else here is denying it. So quit with the bogus straw man attacks.

4) I lived in the US for decades.

[whathehell]

83. Please Re-Read your posts

because you certainly HAVE called it a "RW excuse".

As to your so-called "facts", one hardly need "deny" them since you did such a poor job substantiating them in the first place, claiming, for instance, that "many other countries" have laws equivalent to our 2nd Amendment, while failing to identify any.

I don't care HOW long you lived here, you're not here now, and have nothing but Keyboard Warrior experience fighting our gun laws. We bear the scars -- not you.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

92. Read. You turned 180 what I wrote

You try to say

claiming, for instance, that "many other countries" have laws equivalent to our 2nd Amendment, while failing to identify any.

But I wrote the opposite. I identified UK and Australia as examples like Canada.

I wrote in post #73:

Of course no 2nd A in Canada or Oz or UK

That is very clear. What part do you not understand and need help with?

You can't find a post where I claimed many, or even any, other countries have laws equivalent to the 2nd Amendment.

Please stop your tactics.

[whathehell]

95. Um, Bernie? It seems you are, again, misreading the post.

Last edited Sat Jun 5, 2021, 04:26 AM - Edit history (1)

I didn't "try" to say anything -- I said you claimed "other countries have have laws similar to our 2nd Amendment". Your peculiar response was to list all the countries "like Canada", that do NOT have anything like the 2nd Amendment, i.e., Oz and the UK.
Are you getting it now, or is there, as it seems, something you need help with?
Before resuming another round of this rather pointless exchange
of "misunderstandings", I think I'll just ask you to make yourself comfortable on my Big I list, while I wish you a fond "adieu". Have a nice one.










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[canetoad]

61. That's cynical

I'm not having a go at you - this thread has aready gone the way of many others where there is a perceived slight to the USA as a whole.

I'm certain that the problems that beset the US today are a result of the colonization and formation of your nation and the mindset that resulted in a violent break with Great Britain. Some say that Aussies reflect their convict heritage by revelling in cutting down tall poppies.

I'm fascinated by the cultural similarities we have with Canada and assume they are because we have similar political systems; parliamentary. And I understand why the war if independence happened and why, as a nation, the US consciously decided to depart radically from 'the old system'.

And, please excuse me if I add to Heartstrings' list; We had three mass shootings in the 90s. There was a public outcry and the political will to minimize the risk of this happening again (by a bloody R-winger, no less!). We did something about it. Obama envies our gun restrictions.

Not unloading on you personally, it's really frustrating to see all these deaths and something CAN be done.

[whathehell]

62. Whatever

I just think that in expressing frustration with our gun laws versus those of other countries, we might acknowledge an obstacle we have that they don't, and that's the presence of our Second Amendment -- It makes our fight much harder.

[akbacchus_BC]

69. It is not that easy to have gun control in the US as opposed to Canada!

Our population is much smaller and guns is an American right according to some kind of amendment. We are a tad more peaceful but we have the occasional mass shooting. For example, the mass shooting in Nova Scotia last year by a male who was driving a cop car. We have our problems too. It's not roses and daisies here, far from it.

[whathehell]

79. THANK You.

Perhaps you could educate some of your countrymen here to those facts.

[whathehell]

96. Hi akbacchus_BC

I tried to respond to your pm ( and did, partially), but, as mentioned, I suddenly began having a TERRIBLE time with typing it for some reason -- Very odd -- not happening now, but after my first couple of sentences, the keyboard started "doubling" some letters and refusing to delete others..Never happened before -- Have NO idea what it was, even my tech savvy husband couldn't fix it..I had more to say, and just wanted to confirm that..Will get back when it's cleared up.

[bucolic_frolic]

76. Everywhere there is peace

RWNJ's are working on the problem.

[IronLionZion]

77. If the last douchebag was re-elected, Canada might have a refugee border crisis

kind of like the US southern border issue, or the fictional Handmaid's Tale type issue.

[Cymande]

85. Canada does so much better firm we do on gun reform

It’s really sad that the Republicans and the NRA prevent us from enacting any meaningful legislation.

[whathehell]

88. That may be because they have so much less to fight..

No 2nd Amendment, for one thing, FAR fewer people, for another.
See Post #69 where a Canadian DUer explains tthings.

[BannonsLiver]

102. Yes they do but their vaccination rollout has been epically shitty

So no country is perfect.

[world wide wally]

87. Newsflash:

In spite of Canada's strict gun control laws, they have MORE freedom than we do.

[Blue Owl]

89. K&R

[dawg]

100. But we need our guns because ...

we have lots more black people to be terrified of.

[BannonsLiver]

103. Get back to me when they can get more than 30,000 people a day vaccinated.

What an epic shit show that has been north of the border.