Manchin to support voting rights??

[cilla4progress]

Anyone else reading this?

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[Johnny2X2X]

1. He's always supported it

It's a matter of if he's willing to go it without any Republicans on board.

[piddyprints]

2. Yeah he supports it.

And will vote for it. The problem is getting past the filibuster, which he won’t budge on. He is perfectly willing to sacrifice our democracy for his own delusions about bipartisanship.

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. Manchin supports a modified HR4 which would be overturned by SCOTUS. Nt

[Mad_Machine76]

26. Are you talking about the pre-clearance bill?

Why do you think it would be overturned?

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. Because the version Manchin supports would apply to all 50 states w/o any preclearance. Nt

[OnDoutside]

3. He's always supported that, but he has big problems with HR1.

[Mike Nelson]

4. I think...

... he will vote for it, of course. The problem is that it needs 60 votes to pass... and Mitch is determined to block it because it means more American citizens will vote.

[gab13by13]

5. Yeah but the Biggie is S1,

the For The People Act.

[lagomorph777]

6. Will he support democracy enough to end the filibuster and pass JLVRA and S1?

Only if he receives infinite pressure from all possible directions.

[TwilightZone]

10. Sinema, Feinstein and reportedly two others.

We need more than Manchin. We always did. That fact is constantly - and intentionally - ignored, in my opinion.

Get the other four and then go after Manchin. Otherwise, all of this incessant complaining about Manchin is entirely pointless.

[lagomorph777]

13. I agree - put huge public pressure on all of the recalcitrants.

We have to do them all simultaneously though: no time for a serial process.

[PortTack]

14. Feinstein is open to changes

https://www.vox.com/2021/3/20/22341271/feinstein-filibuster-reform-talking-joe-manchin-kyrsten-sinema-joe-biden-senate-60-votes

[PortTack]

7. Saw Amy K interviewed on TRMS a while back. She remains optimistic about passing some form

Of HR1. They all know they will have to end the filibuster..or suspend it or whatever. She wouldn’t lay out specifics, but said they have a plan.

Arm chair politics and speculation isn’t for me. I’ll let our dem leaders do the heavy lifting...and support them with emails, calls and donations

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. Manchin is supporting a Trojan horse modification of HR4 that will be reversed by SCOTUS

Manchin supports a bill that would automatically apply 1965-type VRA regulations to voting in all 50 states, without any sort of test or “pre-clearance” to determine necessity.

Such a bill would undoubtedly be reversed by the current SCOTUS.

...and he STILL is the ONLY Dem senator not to co-sponsor the For The People act, HR1/S1.

There’s a reason they call him J.C. Joe...

[FBaggins]

11. HR1/S1 would also be reversed by SCOTUS

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I don't think that it was really intended to be enacted. I think it exists to draw out republican opposition and/or judicial action.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. Not from what I have read both HR1 and HR4 in its original form, were drafted to withstand

Challenges to constitutionality.

Besides, once the filibuster is killed to pass HR1, Dems can ram through court reform/expansion to protect democracy even more.

[StarfishSaver]

20. Yes

HR1/HR4 have been very carefully crafted.

But Manchin's "improvement" is unconstitutional on its face.

[FBaggins]

21. Two different arguments

It may very well have been intended to withstand challenges.

But that's a different thing from arguing that it wouldn't be overturned by the current court.

I don't think they would find that challenging at all. Likely in half a dozen different directions.

[Fiendish Thingy]

23. But if the filibuster is killed to pass HR1, then courts can be expanded, preventing reversal

If SCOTUS gains 6 new, young, liberal justices, then Biden’s agenda is safe.

[FBaggins]

24. That's a bunch of IFs that don't seem likely

I suspect that we’ll need three new senators before the filibuster is seriously in danger.

[Fiendish Thingy]

28. Let's see what kind of heat the summer brings to Manchin and Sinema first. Nt

[FBaggins]

12. So few similar posts seem to be able to tell the difference...

... between supporting a bill - and being willing to get rid of the filibuster in order to get it passed.

[StarfishSaver]

18. Exactly

His "support" for the bill is meaningless if he continues to allow it to be blocked.

[Hotler]

15. He better gives us something, The president is thinking about

keeping the orange one's tax cut. Which doesn't make sense, because he said trickle down doesn't work.

[StarfishSaver]

17. Easy to claim he supports a bill if, through his own inaction, he never has to actually vote on it

[brooklynite]

19. Manchin said he supported the John Lewis Bill months ago

[LiberalFighter]

22. I don't trust Manchin.

[budkin]

25. It's not HR1

He's always supported this one.