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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThat awful day in 1968.
On this day 53 years ago, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy won the California Democratic presidential primary. Moments later, walking through the hotel kitchen following his victory speech, he was fatally shot by Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian refugee. Sen. Kennedy died 26 hours later, on June 6, 1968.
Truly one of the most tragic days in American history. An RFK presidency would have spared this nation so much suffering. No Nixon, no Watergate, a shortened war in Vietnam, stronger anti-poverty programs, probably no Reagan.......
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49jim
(560 posts)I was 18 years old.....woke up to the news.....thought I was dreaming until reality hit.
ShazzieB
(16,511 posts)I was also 18, and I remember waking up to the news as well. My parents had the TV on in the living room, and I could hear it from my bedroom. I remember lying in bed listening and trying to make sense out of what I was hearing. It was surreal.
Sympthsical
(9,111 posts)I came across it a few weeks back and listened to it in the background while working one day. It's incredibly interesting. The 1968 version of breaking cable news.
At one point, later in the broadcast, the anchors start discussing gun control.
The more things change . . .
ShazzieB
(16,511 posts)Bookmarking for later.
burrowowl
(17,645 posts)Klaralven
(7,510 posts)He might have had a long and influential career as NY Senator.
Gene McCarthy might have been our candidate instead of Hubert Humphrey.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)Kennedy himself had no chance either. He was 150 delegates behind Humphrey after winning CA. The rest of the delegates were controlled by LBJ and the old guard.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)That would have made it much harder for LBJ to anoint Humphrey.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)Only 14 states had them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Humphrey didn't run in the primaries, and his surrogates did not do well.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)Some men see things as they are and say, why;
I dream things that never were and say, why not.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Awful time, just AWFUL, in so many ways....
Auggie
(31,186 posts)Mom halted any and all celebrations and juvenile activities I had in mind, one of which was a squirt gun fight.
Typical 10-year old. Outstanding mom.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,429 posts)I was 21, in Vietnam when the news broke.
We were all shocked at the news.
Chrisdutch
(70 posts)I'll never forget it. I was close to graduating from grammar school. I watched the wrap up from the West Coast with him giving his victory speech and I turned the TV off and went to bed right before it all happened. I'll never forget coming downstairs for breakfast the next morning and seeing my father standing, totally shocked in the middle of the kitchen and him saying to me in a muted voice, "Bobby Kennedy was shot last night." What a loss for a family and a nation.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)I was 8 and just starting to see the realities of the civil rights movement. Mom was a liberal democrat.
kimbutgar
(21,188 posts)My Mother, sister and I ran into the room and saw the tv and my mother burst into tears. I was 12 years old. A week earlier Bobby was in our City and my Dad had taken us to his rally. He was sitting in the back seat of a convertible shaking hands of the people in the crowds and he shook my hand!
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)I'm half Greek American but not into parades at that point. It's often kind of cold then at times And he was there!
I figured I'd see him when he'd campaign in NYS/C for our primary which I think was around a week or so after Cali. 😔😔😔
kimbutgar
(21,188 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)He was a Mexican immigrant.
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/04/654282422/juan-romero-busboy-who-cradled-dying-rfk-dies-at-68
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,418 posts)campaigning for him in Oregon as a high school sophomore.
After the killing of JFK and Martin Luther King, we became numb to the assassinations.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)for our NYS primary. 😔😔😔
(a week or or so after Cali)
Mickju
(1,805 posts)I remember staying up all night waiting for news. I was devastated. That whole year was a horror story.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,384 posts)what could go wrong. i was a little boy when jfk was shot and dont remember a thing except what i see in the history books and youtube . dont remember rfk being shot either . but ,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador_Hotel_%28Los_Angeles%29
https://www.laconservancy.org/locations/ambassador-hotel-demolished
jfk/rfk/mlk rip america has never been the same since . these folk tried to make a difference .
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,429 posts)the judge did not strike down the 1986 GCA, he struck down CA's ban on AR-15's, which is not a select fire weapon, it's a semi auto, one round expended per trigger pull, just like every other semi auto in the world.
No new auto firearm has been legal to sell since 1986.
AllaN01Bear
(18,384 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,429 posts)Your post claiming that the Fed. judge struck down the automatic weapons ban is pure false info,
no new automatic firearm has been allowed to be sold to civilians since 1986.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)catbyte
(34,447 posts)confirmed that the world was indeed a very scary and dangerous place. I lost my childish innocence that year.
VGNonly
(7,505 posts)and say why not.
Mr. Steve
(114 posts)The news the RFK had been shot was what greeted me at McChord AFB as I got off the plane bringing me home from Viet Nam. Basically, it was "Welcome home and Robert Kennedy has been shot."
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)I thought that no one would remember.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,429 posts)it was a shocking moment in my life, one I'll never forget.
myccrider
(484 posts)I was 17, graduating high school in a couple of weeks.
It was such a blow. I loved Bobby and his politics. MLK had been assassinated just a couple of months before, too. Plus Vietnam. I felt such despair and grief.
panader0
(25,816 posts)electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)H2O Man
(73,605 posts)A lot more than one man died from this. I appreciate your posting this.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)dflprincess
(28,082 posts)PCIntern
(25,582 posts)I awakened for the first time in 10 years to my mother sitting on the edge of my bed. She asked me are you awake. I replied yes whats wrong. She gave me the news and the first thing I thought of was everything is different now.
And I was right.
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)We were supposed to have a final in Civics that day but our teacher, who did not hide his own distress, thought it more important we talk about it.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)dflprincess
(28,082 posts)He was such a good teacher, that he never tipped his hand about his own opinion when we'd discuss issues in class.
The 1967-68 school year was a great time to have a Civics class. I give that teacher a lot of the credit for my getting active as he stressed the importance of an involved citizenry.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)Civics in our HS.
However my dad had me come along with him in putting political election flyers under our building's apt doors by the time I was ?12 or 13!
Both my folks were liberals, my mom even more so. The first political candidate I ever saw was (future) Mayor John V Lindsey I guess his first run get out of a car by our local park with no one else around.
After being so furious at Humphrey, I finally campaigned for him during our NYC's teachers' strike, and later in the day, and weekends.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)For me, I was 10. A transplanted northerner, a very very precocious and shy military brat raised mostly in the south - but only a Southerner for a few years at that point.
I played, rode my bike, read a lot, and was very very confused.
My dad was a racist active duty WW2 Era Marine NCO recently returned from 13 in The Nam...nuff said there.
MLK? Don't even mention that name in our house...
Bobby? Who cares. Not at all like his Heroic War Hero Brother John. What a peace loving weak spined...nuff said there.
But in the back yard alone in my head...I LIKED Bobby. I LIKED MLK. I HATED George Wallace. I HATED Nixon.
I cried alone a lot that year.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)But some people got exactly what they wanted.
Marthe48
(17,018 posts)Losing the Kenedys.
Yes, they were rich, but they had great ideas to lift people.
NBachers
(17,136 posts)wnylib
(21,606 posts)or listened to the news in the morning. Did not know what had happened until I got to work where everyone was totally stunned, including me when they told me about it. I remember feeling horrified by the amount of violence that was part of my teen years - the anti war protests, the Civil Rights movement with dog and hose attacks on people, the JFK assassination, the MLK assassination only months before, then RFK. It felt like the world was coming apart and crumbling under my feet.
jalan48
(13,883 posts)His stand against the Vietnam War gave young people hope the tide was changing in US politics. Part of the country's soul died when he was killed IMHO.
DFW
(54,436 posts)Bobby and my dad were friends. I sill have that photo, inscribed in Bobby's small scrawl, "To (DFW'S father), with high regard, Robert Kennedy.) " They were of an age, and did indeed hold each other in high regard. Frank Mankiewicz was trying, pretty much in vain, to keep it together while talking to my dad on the phone that morning. The news came through to DC, where we were, at around daybreak due to the time difference, so we hadn't left for school yet. More than a few of us at school that day already sensed that the nation had just taken a major turn for the worse--a premonition that was to be confirmed that November.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 6, 2021, 02:17 AM - Edit history (1)
had much of JFK's, and Bobby's advisor's, staff etc. on his show from sometime in '67 onward.
Your dad probably knew all the names.
DFW
(54,436 posts)At the time, I probably did, too. My dad was in Bobbys Senate office several times a week. I had a serious crush on one of the receptionists, whose name was Brandi. She destroyed me one day by telling me she was getting married. I pleaded with her to let me complete puberty before making a final decision. She laughed at the joke, but Im not sure I was joking. There was always such a positive vibe coming out of that office.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)RFK ran for NYS Senator in '64 when I was 11. I was some what precocious in science (but not math) and a little bit in politics so I remember some adults calling him a carpet bagger stuff like that. I was also in the giddy thrall of Beatlemania so that was a lot of my life beyond just starting 6th grade. By sometime in '67 I became against the Vietnam War.
A year or so later my dad had me join him putting local election flyers under the doors of our neighbors apts. I did campaign work at Humphrey's Manhattan HQ. The next year Mayor Lindsey's reeclection. I was sad to find out that Lindsey's Manhattan Election HQ was Bobby's the year before . So my years of electorial, and single issue semi-activism began.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I lived in South Carolina and was 10 years old. I remember my neighbor came over before school, I think (on June 5th I guess) and told us Senator Kennedy had been shot. I definitely don't think of it as occurring right as the school year was ending but it must have been. In my mind, I associate it with walking out to ice on a nearby pond but that is essentially impossible for SC in June.
Funny how memory gets fuzzy and jumbled as the years pass.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)A friend who was going to Long Beach State College came back to and told us about Senator Eugene McCarthy being the first to run on an antiwar platform, and away we went.
Another friend who had some kind of connection to Bobby Kennedy (I never figured out what) went to work on his campaign; but McCarthy got there first, so my friends and I were loyal, yay us.
The night of the primary election we hung out in our headquarters on the towns main street, watching the returns on TV. Some older guy tried to kick in the door, but it was locked. We watched, until it was clear that we lost. I went home to my little apartment, where all I had was a transistor radio, the battery of which of course gave out, so I went to bed.
The following morning I went downstairs to see the old couple whose house it was; they were glued to the tv in shock, still in their nightclothes. In a montage of the commentary, we watched Mankiewicz age about a century overnight. I could weep now for that memory.
And that was it. I knew it was all over for those of us trying to elect an antiwar candidate.
1968 was a terrible year for assassinations how could it get even worse? Yet it did. We got to see the Chicago Dem Conventions police riots unfold, and my friend from Long Beach State had friends who were there in person one of whom was in his political party office minding his own business when the cops stormed in and threw him against the metal filing cabinets.
I could hardly wait to leave California, and had already been accepted to the university back where I came from in 1965. At LAX as I headed for my plane back to Hawaii, I saw passengers from Chicago coming back, wearing black armbands.
How could it get worse? Well, we got Richard Nixon, didnt we?
As for Hubert Humphrey, poor guy. I had to grow up some more to gain perspective on him he had an exemplary record as a progressive from Minnesota, before agreeing to run with LBJ. And over many decades, LBJ himself was considerably re-evaluated, coming up as one of our great presidents on social justice policy if only it had not been for the Vietnam War.
RIP, Bobby. You gave your all.
RIP to our other liberal Democratic politicians of that time, who each in their own way gave their all, even if not brought down by an assassins bullets.
RIP to our youth.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)after being so mad at him about Viet Nam, and I guess because he wasn't Bobby. I was 15.
Years later I also found out about HHH's progressive stances.
LBJ's Great Society... when they started cutting so many many programs in the Nixon years. Those things don't work overnight.
Oh, and your poor friend who was assaulted by the Chicago cops!
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My family was on vacation, and we'd come back from dinner and watch it in our motel room's TV!
I was furious though that the night they had the tribute to RFK we went out to dinner instead. I saw it years later in some documentary.
Ferryboat
(923 posts)RussellCattle
(1,535 posts).....what a different country we may have become if he had gone on to win the election. The profound difference that one man with a gun can do, in this case, is just incredible.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)(and the former guy's four years made the contrast soooo much worse! )
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)There have only been a couple of years out of these 53 when June arrives that I didn't remember what was coming up, and 6/5 I didn't blink an eye till later in the day, or the next.
In fact I joined DU on 6/6 last year because 1) the sub forum I was on in politics on a liberal music groups site wasn't lively enough at that point, with the election x months away, and 2) the former guy in office was such an afront to RFK's memory that I had to find another liberal political site to work off steam, learn stuff, keep up with news etc and remembered seeing DU back near the start at an Internet Cafe. 👍
Anyway...
I was asleep in NYC and I woke up a little after 4AM with the strangest stomach ache I'd ever had. I'd long out grown the nervous stomach ache I might get on occasion when waaay younger going to school. I turned on my dad's little transistor radio, and heard the news.
I really didn't go back to sleep, blurrily made my way through my HS day. I overheard one person say they were happy. It took a lot out of me not to slap them. A subdued day at a rather usually boisterous HS as we said in low voices to each other that we hoped he'd make it. 😔
I listened to a particular radio show who's host had had many of JFK, and then Bobby's people on his show that I'd been listening to since some time in '67. Much of the staff, and advisors, etc that you read their names in history books now would talk away. Finally went to sleep.
Woke up again around 4am with that same stomach ache in time to hear Frank Mackowitz read his statement.
A friend and I stood on line for ?5 hours to view the casket at St Patrick's Cathedral. Then the next day my mom made my dad go with me (because she thought I looked terrible) to see the procession going to Penn Station for the train.
I had to study for year end exaims as I watched the train travel to DC. I slid between being so annoyed that I had to study so couldn't always pay full attention, and being in surreal sorrow.
Do you remember the crowd singing 🎶 The Battle Hymn of The Republic? 😔
My folks in 1964 when we visited our cousins right outside of DC (I was 11) we went to visit JFK's grave with the internal flame, and iconic white picket fence. It only dawned on me last year the sadness they must have felt, that they'd go to honor him.
Decades later on a Perfect DC Summer Day - low's '80s, low humidity, crystal clear deep blue sky I visited both JFK's final grave with a circular area with the quotes, and everything. As I turned I saw the simple white cross on the green for RFK further down the slope. Of course I was going to visit that, too. Facing the cross they had a space, and two quotes from him.
It still hurts all these decades later. The paths our country could have taken then, if....
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Two Kennedys One MLK. That changed so much in so many ways, and not in a good way.
How different our recent history would be minus those heinous murders.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)like a river being suddely diverted by three major natural disasters in arelatively short period of time.
This was our USA's political river!
Evolve Dammit
(16,763 posts)electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)Yeah, I know it's by Chris Matthews, and it's still incredible. If you don't want to give him $ , then get it out of your library by e-book, or in person.
Besides detailing all the ups and downs, ins and outs finding out that...
RFK was empathic at a young age but hid it away because of his father who hated that kind of compassion.
That was amazing.
I can remember my mom (because she as a liberal/progressive probably watched or heard about The McCarthy Hearings [HUAC] ) saying to me as Bobby started campaigning, and what he was saying said to me "he's really changed".
turbinetree
(24,720 posts)czarjak
(11,289 posts)"All men are created equal", "Liberty and justice for all"? That'll be the day.
mnhtnbb
(31,402 posts)in the mid '70's who had been working the ER the night Bobby was brought in to Good Samaritan Hospital. She said it was one of the worst nights of her career.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)GReedDiamond
(5,316 posts)Oh, what could have been...such a sad and tragic (for everyone) anniversary.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)that I collected on my own from campaigns. I'm an artist, and former professional graphic designer so I always tried to get the best buttons.
I never got any RFK one's but I would have - had June 5th never happened and he got to NYS/C's primary!
My uncle gave me a very small Kennedy-Johnson button some years later.
GReedDiamond
(5,316 posts)...I found the RFK button at the Pasadena City College flea market several years ago.
I have an FDR button, too, from the same place.
Plus I have a lot of YIPPIE! / Smoke-In / Rock Against Racism/Reagan buttons.
Which I was associated with when I got them.
Haven''t seen them at the flea market so far.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,805 posts)Thank you all so much.
nebby70
(471 posts)... those of us who lived thru the 60s as 'coming of age' adults, this date invokes clear, sharp memories ...
... I was at my H.S. senior picnic, sitting in the grass listening to a transistor radio; giggling & commiserating ....
... my bf & a couple other guys were drafted for 'Nam, a couple of the girls were talking of their upcoming marriage ...
... a few of us were off to college and a few of us we talking about their soon-to-start jobs ...
... we'd been pals since 1st grade and lived, discussed, debate and cried together thru all the horrors of the 60s ...
... when the news broke; the group's silence made the crickets nearly deafening ....
... to this day, I swear, even the lightening bugs stopped flashing for a bit ...
... the 60s made us tough, sadly tough ...
... it was wonderful to read other 'my-agers' memories ...
... RFK managed to inspire so many of us; and with so much in our tender young lives then, it was another trauma ...
... so much potential was squandered ...