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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsU.S. GDP is 20.93 trillion. Russian GDP is 1.7 trillion. Why are we messing around w/ Putin at all?
Is it the nuclear weapons? We give him way too much attention and he loves it. He basks in it. The press can't stop talking about him.
Interesting exchange between Michael McCaul and Gary Kasparov.
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Should the Russian president opt instead to continue invading countries, mounting hacking and disinformation campaigns, and arresting innocent Russians and Americans, it will be clear that he, not Biden, is responsible for confrontation with the United States. 2/
Biden is also right to try to work with the Kremlin on a limited agenda of mutual interest, particularly on arms control. Even during tense moments of the Cold War, U.S. presidents saw the wisdom in cooperating with their Soviet counterparts to reduce the risk of nuclear war. 3/
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Mike, is this tweet from 2007?! This is what the West has been saying for 14 years. "If Putin keeps doing all these terrible things, THEN.." and he keeps doing them. It's 2021, everyone knows what Putin is.
Every new US administration doesn't press the reset button, they press the snooze button. Putin doesn't reset, he doesn't change, and he won't until someone stands up to him
Putin goes through the same motions with every new democratic leader. They get to act tough for a moment; he gets to stay in power and keep looting Russia, attacking the world order, and his mafia pals live like tsars--in the free world of course.
What are these "democratic forces" to protect in Putin's Russia, in 2021? You can't support democracy and empower the dictator killing it at the same time. Meet Zelensky & Tsikhanouskaya. Meet Nemtsov & Navalny's families. Not their assailant.
I'm not an expert in foreign policy and I suppose there are reasons but I really hate that we're meeting with Putin at all.
ansible
(1,718 posts)Sanctions don't really affect them much, they have their own internal economy, closed off internet and simply don't care that much about anything else but Russia and their neighbors.
no_hypocrisy
(46,230 posts)J. Edgar would be envenious.
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)Jim__
(14,088 posts)... in Eastern Europe. Trying to build a relationship and establish some restraints on him now is probably well worth the effort.
JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)NCDem47
(2,250 posts)Add in friendly to other rogue nations and China and its a force we cannot ignore.
Plus, they just like to stir shit up with democracies.
Someone correct me if Im wrong here, but they have a long history of thuggish behavior. Its part of their culture.
JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)he interfered in our election . He might have done irreparable harm to our country.
StClone
(11,688 posts)Putin has little big-man syndrome. He is as small and insignificant as a country leader could be, but wants to be the biggest of players not much different thanks Kim Jong-un. His toxic way of getting that is by thugging up, nukes and Mafioso. Trailer Park trash master of Russia, with nukes, where the cops always have to breakup loud escalating bs to keep the peace.
Russian people themselves have many positive attributes (Science, athletics, dance, literature, art) and are, as a people, being subjugated and eroded, so to keep Pootey's appetite for control in-place.
JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)cally
(21,597 posts)Plus nukes. But we seem to let him control us and our elections.
hatrack
(59,593 posts)But as an economic player, meh.
GoodRaisin
(8,930 posts)Otherwise, ignoring him on world stage would be best.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)Then where is universal health care? Where are high-speed passenger trains?
Somebodys gettin screwed.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)Universal health care, high speed rail, built out broadband for everyone, free or very low priced higher education and vocational training for all who want it, are all in the same place. The pockets of some EXTREMELY wealthy people and corporations who think that it would be immoral to provide the vital services to the average person.
We know exactly who is getting screwed because it is the same group of people who have been getting screwed since the 1600's and since the US became a nation in the 1780's.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)or at least truth-telling in history class.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)I would wager that less than 10% of people in the US had heard of the Tulsa Massacre until this year, and I would wager that less than 25% still know about that AND the multitude of other incidents where White people, just because Black people were getting ahead, decided that those Black people needed to be burned out, chased out of their neighborhoods, or killed.
Our expansion westward, took place at the expense of people who had been living in those spaces for centuries, if not thousands of years. Those people are portrayed as "hostile savages" bent on marauding and preying upon poor settlers (pioneers!) who just wanted their lot in life to improve, yet we have shit on every other immigrant group that has come to the US or have taken, by war, the lands belonging to other nations.
Conservatives do not want history taught in classrooms. They want mythology taught.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)Israel has a GDP of about 320 billion dollars a year and look at how important Israel is in US politics and in world events.
Russia has a very large military, highly capable cyber warfare, they supply much of Europe's natural gas, and yes, they have a stockpile of nuclear weapons that could wipe out the world.
Not that they would use them, because they would be ensuring their own complete destruction, but they are there.
There are definitely reasons to meet with Russia. Partly to make sure Putin understands that Biden will not capitulate like Trump did.
Buckeyeblue
(5,502 posts)Putin is crazy but if he dropped dead tomorrow, how destabilized would Russia be. If we thought for sure someone better would take over we would make that happen. My guess is a Putin flunky would take over and might be a wild card.
ProfessorGAC
(65,228 posts)Mostly it's the nukes.
They bankrupted the USSR to build an unnecessarily large military-industrial complex, and now that's almost all they've got.
(Yeah, oil, titanium, & platinum, but that's puny by comparison.)
Now, given the lineage of their leadership, being a rogue state with a crazy destructive potential makes them relevant.
Not a good reason, but THE reason.