A simple guide to Manchin's voting rights proposal

[StarfishSaver]

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[The Magistrate]

1. Ms. Adams' Support Settles It For Me

[Bettie]

2. I have made no secret how I feel about Manchin

but this is a good first step and I give him credit for this.

[StarfishSaver]

5. First steps are important

There are times when incrementalism is good.

This is one of those times.

[Bettie]

6. The big reason that incrementalism is OK here

is that gerrymandering is on the list.

That is, in my opinion (which is worth practically nothing), is the single most important piece, because it has the biggest impact.

[StarfishSaver]

8. Almost every important civil rights gain was an incremental step

Many people don't realize that such landmarks as the 1964 Civil Rights Act and Brown v. Board of Education were not the first stab at solutions. They built on incremental steps that came before. We have to start somewhere. And I'd rather start with something than dig in our heels and get nothing.

[LonePirate]

11. The gerrymandering ban is a must have for Dems and a must kill for Repubs.

I would guess that provision alone will garner at 49 Republican votes against the measure. It will be what maintains or overturns the filibuster in this Congress.

[Volaris]

31. Ya un-gerrymandering the congressional districts will be most welcome.

It might not be immediate, but very likley the result will be (as someone here put it earlier):

'It means the democrats will be able to hold the House for basically, well eternity.'

I suspect that this more than anything else, is why the GOP wont vote for it.

[HUAJIAO]

9. I honestly don't give him credit for shit.

This is what the dark money people told him he could get away with, and no more.. So. he followed orders...

[StarfishSaver]

18. What's your plan?

[nycbos]

3. If Stacey Abrams is okay with it am too.

[Buns_of_Fire]

4. Actually, it looks like a pretty good start to me.

It also has as much chance of getting past Moscow Mitch as I do of winning the Decathlon.

[HUAJIAO]

10. Then of what use is it?

[uponit7771]

14. Show the middle that dems are trying? Give Manchin some real cover to vote dem ways

[Buns_of_Fire]

17. It's a basis for negotiation. *IF* MM & Company feel like negotiating.

If not, it's an excellent "well, I tried" cover for Manchin and every other Democrat.

It's like that saying, "If you love the law and you love sausage, you should never watch either one being made."

[Mike Nelson]

7. Great start!

... more than I expected. I hope we can get this done!

[Atticus]

12. Thank you for that. nt

[mcar]

13. This is a good summary

Seems like we'd be getting more than we're giving and if people can show a utility bill as proof of identity? I'm OK with that.

[Thunderbeast]

15. Show me the 60 votes...

The GQP will consider this the first bite of the apple. They will now make another set of demands...then another. They will keep going until the dems give up.

McConnell is not a reliable negotiating partner. They have ZERO interest in voting rights.

[StarfishSaver]

16. OK

What is YOUR plan for success?

[Thunderbeast]

19. Don't get me wrong....

I am glad that Joe Manchin is making this effort. It will bring clarity to the Republican obstruction.

I am skeptical that any proposal will interest the right wing...EVER!

Manchin May be forced to moderate his position on the filibuster after proving to himself that bipartisanship is no longer a feature of the US Senate.

[PSPS]

20. moscow mitch has already said he won't support it.

And, even if some republicans ignore moscow mitch and vote for it, it won't be enough without eliminating the filibuster. In other words, I don't see ten republican senators voting for this.

Unfortunately, in our minority-ruled country, manchin's 0.5% has veto power over everything.

[questionseverything]

21. Poor people move a lot, we need same day registration

Isn’t it already federal law that people can register to vote at the dmv?
So I don’t see what we’re gaining there

It’s wrong to have to prove need before receiving an absentee ballot

[StarfishSaver]

22. Yes, we do need those things

But we can't get it in this bill. We need to go for what we can get through and then build on it moving forward.

I don't understand how you can't "see what we're gaining here." The fact that everything we want isn't in the bill doesn't mean we aren't getting anything.

[questionseverything]

23. Specifically about automatic registration at dmv

Basically we already have that so I don’t see that as gaining anything

Or am I mistaken?

Does federal law allow voting registration at dmv or not?

[StarfishSaver]

24. You are mistaken

Automatic registration is not available in every state.

Federal law allows it, but does not require it. And in many states, people have to opt in to register rather than opt out not to.

Here's some info: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/automatic-voter-registration-summary

[questionseverything]

26. I said , they already allow which is true

The automatic is the difference

Shrugs

It’s the difference of opting out with automatic, rather than opting in as we have now

Hey forgive me I live in Illinois where we want everyone to vote

Before same day registration, when i door knocked, the thing that stopped people from voting was not being registered…..happily now it’s not a problem

[StarfishSaver]

28. You are still wrong.

Current law ALLOWS states to automatically register voters at the DMV. Manchin's proposal (which is also in the original For the People bill) would require that every state adopt it.

And if you think there's not a big difference between opting out and opting in, you must not have ever signed up for a free trial ...

(FYI, it would be helpful if you would actually read the proposal you're critiquing and shrugging at before arguing about it ... It certainly would save a lot of time and back and forth).

[Takket]

27. half a ham sandwich is better than starving to death

i expect mcconnel to be a hard no on anything that stops voter suppression efforts but... we'll see. this is the second inning of the game

[LetMyPeopleVote]

29. For this thread

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[redraider1974]

30. Does Joe Manchin's voting rights proposal prohibit state legislatures

from changing vote totals in order to steal an election? Would the final bill include this stipulation?

[StarfishSaver]

32. Why not just read the proposal that's been posted here a couple of times?

That should answer your question.