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WarGamer

(12,301 posts)
Sat Jun 19, 2021, 11:32 PM Jun 2021

Fort Lauderdale Gay Mens Chorus confirms the truck driver was one of their own...

Really sad... apparently an accident after all, despite the jumping to conclusions, I wonder if people that called it terrorism and assassination attempts will take back their comments?

Nevermind, I Know the answer.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/us-news/3118900/two-run-over-truck-man-florida-pride/

The Fort Lauderdale Gay Men's Chorus issued a statement to WLPG confirming that the driver is a member of the choir, as were to two men hit by his vehicle.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected by the tragic accident that occurred when the Stonewall Pride Parade was just getting started," the group said.

"Our fellow Chorus members were those injured and the driver was also part of the Chorus family.

"To my knowledge, this was not an attack on the LGBTQ community. We anticipate more details to follow and ask for the communities love and support."

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Fort Lauderdale Gay Mens Chorus confirms the truck driver was one of their own... (Original Post) WarGamer Jun 2021 OP
You don't seem to really like or respect the people here. ret5hd Jun 2021 #1
Why does that feel like something between a flame and personal attack? WarGamer Jun 2021 #2
Alert if you will. ret5hd Jun 2021 #8
Here's the details behind my opinion WarGamer Jun 2021 #12
So alert. Be done with it. ret5hd Jun 2021 #13
Did you read my post? WarGamer Jun 2021 #14
Uhhh...yeah. ret5hd Jun 2021 #16
And no comment to the point I made? WarGamer Jun 2021 #18
OK enough. This person is a newbie, while you've been here for secondwind Jun 2021 #21
The poster made an accurate observation Doc Sportello Jun 2021 #27
The original poster has done nothing wrong. secondwind Jun 2021 #31
Because Republicans march lock step tavernier Jun 2021 #52
You should ask the OP that question Doc Sportello Jun 2021 #57
The op pointed out a truth. Treefrog Jun 2021 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jun 2021 #40
Observations can often feel like attacks. LanternWaste Jun 2021 #49
I didn't get that and I carefully read it twice jimfields33 Jun 2021 #3
I took your comment the same way as the OP RainCaster Jun 2021 #4
you are not the only one Skittles Jun 2021 #5
Well, I'm glad someone else can see what I see. ret5hd Jun 2021 #6
taken in total Skittles Jun 2021 #7
Thank you, Skittles. secondwind Jun 2021 #24
I'm no fan of that poster, but he's not wrong in this case. Treefrog Jun 2021 #46
I have started noticing also JI7 Jun 2021 #34
allow me to join you tenderfoot Jun 2021 #41
Me too Doc Sportello Jun 2021 #28
In OP's defense... Dr. Strange Jun 2021 #29
it's not just this thread Skittles Jun 2021 #44
I agree. betsuni Jun 2021 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jun 2021 #39
He has a point. Treefrog Jun 2021 #45
Yep (as well as another one on this thread). n/t demmiblue Jun 2021 #53
I've seen worse from people with higher post counts SunImp Jun 2021 #77
time reveals it was not terrorists or an attack on wasserman schult after all eh... msongs Jun 2021 #9
That's a relief. Oneironaut Jun 2021 #10
Was that REALLY necessary...? regnaD kciN Jun 2021 #11
see post #12 pls WarGamer Jun 2021 #17
But it's a common occurrence on DU. And I get why and I'm not really judgmental about it. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jun 2021 #35
Bless his heart, he will never get over it Blue_playwright Jun 2021 #15
I made a terrorism remark. Mainly because of the eyewitness account Bristlecone Jun 2021 #19
Eye witnesses frequently give misguided information. WarGamer Jun 2021 #22
Whoever that was must feel pretty silly today. Treefrog Jun 2021 #48
That was the mayor. yardwork Jun 2021 #54
Just because someone is a mayor means nothing. Treefrog Jun 2021 #58
Yeah, well I don't know this mayor like I knew Trump. yardwork Jun 2021 #61
I'm gay too. That mayor was irresponsible in saying something like that imo. Treefrog Jun 2021 #72
Amazing how many want things to be evil madville Jun 2021 #20
+1000 nt WarGamer Jun 2021 #25
See your point but can't totally agree. I now always wait till I have the facts. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #26
Totally agree BGBD Jun 2021 #33
I am one of the guilty ones, for the wnylib Jun 2021 #42
This. So much this. Treefrog Jun 2021 #47
Oh you should see some of the delta variant threads BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #70
Perfectly said. Treefrog Jun 2021 #71
I wonder if people that called it terrorism and assassination attempts will take back their comments sarisataka Jun 2021 #30
Your gif is repulsive ornotna Jun 2021 #38
It is directed solely towards sarisataka Jun 2021 #63
Getting some joy ornotna Jun 2021 #68
I think you are way off base. LiberatedUSA Jun 2021 #51
As far as I can tell sarisataka Jun 2021 #62
I can think of many of such threads. Treefrog Jun 2021 #79
When I self reflect, what truly makes me upset sarisataka Jun 2021 #80
Bahahahaha BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #67
I'm sorry, but that's just not true. Treefrog Jun 2021 #75
See post 67. LiberatedUSA Jun 2021 #78
one does not necessarily preclude the other. niyad Jun 2021 #32
I guess not. But we should give a gay man who is a member of the chorus the benefit of the doubt. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #37
Yeah, ok, he's a straight sleeper assassin who infiltrated the Gay Men's Chorus. Treefrog Jun 2021 #50
ever hear of self-loathing? niyad Jun 2021 #56
I seriously doubt this is the case in this incident. Treefrog Jun 2021 #59
Don't care about their comments. RegularJam Jun 2021 #43
If jumping to conclusions became an Olympic sport... Jedi Guy Jun 2021 #55
Exactly. I don't like the hypocrisy so often seen. Treefrog Jun 2021 #60
Yep, I've seen it happen several times on threads about various topics. Jedi Guy Jun 2021 #73
Yep, and what gets me is it's so often the same posters. Treefrog Jun 2021 #81
I'm sure no DUers jumped to any conclusions BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #64
Perish the thought... N/T Jedi Guy Jun 2021 #74
The Mayor called it terrorism. twin_ghost Jun 2021 #65
I'd like to give much respect to DWS... WarGamer Jun 2021 #66
This. Treefrog Jun 2021 #76
Local newspaper sites now saying the driver is a 77 year old man. Treefrog Jun 2021 #82

WarGamer

(12,301 posts)
2. Why does that feel like something between a flame and personal attack?
Sat Jun 19, 2021, 11:38 PM
Jun 2021

FYI, I was mostly referring to the people on Social Media jumping to conclusions.

WarGamer

(12,301 posts)
12. Here's the details behind my opinion
Sat Jun 19, 2021, 11:55 PM
Jun 2021

People get invested in a story and their reaction to the story.

For example, if a story breaks that Tom Brady tested positive for PED before the Super Bowl game... it would light up the SM's and online Sports forums... we'd hear what a cheating SOB Brady is and how he never deserved any wins. People would call for him to return his past salary and return his trophies.

The next day the Lab admits the testing samples were mixed up and Brady's sample came back clean.

Few people will reverse their original reaction even though we all know their reaction was based on misinformation.

It's the psychology behind people getting invested in their formation of opinions and the threats to their ego that a retraction would involve.

Have I helped you understand me better? Trust me... I'm all about the facts in everything I do... I don't like clickbait media and I don't like anyone that forms news stories to support a narrative.

I'm 100% unbiased when it comes to the quality of our "news".

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
31. The original poster has done nothing wrong.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:26 AM
Jun 2021

Why are we attacking each other this way? Pandemic? Boredom?

There are marvelous beautiful books to be read.

tavernier

(12,363 posts)
52. Because Republicans march lock step
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 08:06 AM
Jun 2021

and Democrats are like herding cats. Big tent with multiple personalities and opinions.

It often gets tedious and annoying, but I prefer it over the former.

Doc Sportello

(7,483 posts)
57. You should ask the OP that question
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 09:38 AM
Jun 2021

And yourself as well. You are blaming the pandemic or boredom for attacks, so it's a personal failure on their part according to you. While giving the OP a pass. Heed your own advice.

Response to secondwind (Reply #21)

jimfields33

(15,642 posts)
3. I didn't get that and I carefully read it twice
Sat Jun 19, 2021, 11:40 PM
Jun 2021

Is the OP wrong that some called it terrorism? I didn’t go back and read all the threads. I did read one and some were blaming white supremacy.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
46. I'm no fan of that poster, but he's not wrong in this case.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 07:11 AM
Jun 2021

Lots of people join du to read the threads, not to become part of some big echo chamber.

Dr. Strange

(25,915 posts)
29. In OP's defense...
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:19 AM
Jun 2021

I think they may not like or respect some of the people here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215543806

Which, given the Alex Jones level of conspiracy going on in that thread, I can understand.

Response to ret5hd (Reply #1)

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
45. He has a point.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 06:59 AM
Jun 2021

I saw numerous references to assassination right here yesterday.

I hate the conclusion jumping that always happens in these instances.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
11. Was that REALLY necessary...?
Sat Jun 19, 2021, 11:52 PM
Jun 2021
I wonder if people that called it terrorism and assassination attempts will take back their comments?

Nevermind, I Know the answer.

Because it's always people on OUR side who falsely accuse people of terrorism, right?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
23. But it's a common occurrence on DU. And I get why and I'm not really judgmental about it.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:08 AM
Jun 2021

Anytime someone in a marginalized group is attacked we can expect the chorus of posts blaming trump and republicans. And that is often the case.

But often the posts don’t age well. Hell, I’ve done it myself. But now I wait till I get the entire story.

When I heard this person was actually in the parade I suspected an accident. Never driven in a parade so nervous. Hit the wrong pedal then panicked. It is pretty common. I’ve seen 2 grocery stores that had vehicles go thru their front for just that reason.

Again I understand why people jump to conclusions when there is so much hate around against marginalized groups. Just wish DU members would wait for the rest of the story before reaching conclusions. But it not like what we type here is going to negatively affect the guy who messed up so I guess no harm done. But if it spread on Facebook around the country it could cause him unnecessary pain. He must be suffering now horribly.

Have a nice evening.

Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #11)

Bristlecone

(10,110 posts)
19. I made a terrorism remark. Mainly because of the eyewitness account
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:03 AM
Jun 2021

And video I watched of that account within the post

“ This was a terrorist attack against the LGBTQ community,” Trantalis said. “He came here to destroy people. This was clearly no accident.”

nt

WarGamer

(12,301 posts)
22. Eye witnesses frequently give misguided information.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:08 AM
Jun 2021

I'm not blaming you or ANY of the consumers of "news"... the newsMAKERS need to be more cautious.

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/emo-a0029220.pdf

yardwork

(61,526 posts)
54. That was the mayor.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 08:14 AM
Jun 2021

There were other eyewitnesses who stated that it wasn't an accident, that the car crashed through a fence, etc.

It's true that people jump to conclusions online, but this was an unusually extreme example of eyewitnesses getting it wrong.

yardwork

(61,526 posts)
61. Yeah, well I don't know this mayor like I knew Trump.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 10:24 AM
Jun 2021

Like many others, I felt the story yesterday was incomplete. I didn't post anything. I waited for more uniforms. I'm just pointing out that there were persuasive-sounding eyewitnesses.

More importantly, five years after the Pulse massacre and in light of regular attacks on gay people, of which I am one, it wasn't a stretch to consider the possibility that this was a deliberate attack.

It's certainly nothing to laugh about.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
72. I'm gay too. That mayor was irresponsible in saying something like that imo.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:18 PM
Jun 2021

Damn shame about the whole incident. I can’t imagine what that whole group is dealing with too.

madville

(7,403 posts)
20. Amazing how many want things to be evil
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:05 AM
Jun 2021

Many are willing to manufacture outrage to feed their predetermined narrative.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
26. See your point but can't totally agree. I now always wait till I have the facts.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:12 AM
Jun 2021

That said, there are so many attacks on marginalized groups I can understand people jumping to conclusions. For every one like this you read there is one that is an actual hate crime.

I just try not to do so myself. And sometimes fail!

Have a nice evening.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
33. Totally agree
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:34 AM
Jun 2021

I fully understand why the first thing in people's minds is that it was an attack. We've seen this exact thing happen time and time again. Vehicle attacks are a big part of the radical rights MO and hearing that a truck crashed into people at a Pride parade certainly puts that into your head.

But, this one ends up being an accident by a person who was there in good faith to participate in the event. So, it's a good example for resisting that impulse and considering the alternatives, at least until some real information is available.

wnylib

(21,281 posts)
42. I am one of the guilty ones, for the
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:44 AM
Jun 2021

reasons you mentioned. There have been so many attacks on marginalized people that it sounded credible to me that this was deliberate and not an accident.

But I should have known better and not jumped to conclusions.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
47. This. So much this.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 07:17 AM
Jun 2021

Ive seen people twist themselves into pretzels to try and prove something that’s already been disproven.

BannonsLiver

(16,275 posts)
70. Oh you should see some of the delta variant threads
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:15 PM
Jun 2021

Lots of sickos rooting for unvaccinated people to get sick and die. I think people who don’t get vaccinated are really dumb. Yet, I don’t hate them so much that I hope they die while also pretending I’m somehow different than magats.

sarisataka

(18,458 posts)
30. I wonder if people that called it terrorism and assassination attempts will take back their comments
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:24 AM
Jun 2021

Yes, you know the answer

sarisataka

(18,458 posts)
63. It is directed solely towards
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:00 PM
Jun 2021

Those who make speculative posts based on nothing but personal bias.

See my post #62 for further comment and my own apology to the few who did retract and/or apologize for speculating.

ornotna

(10,791 posts)
68. Getting some joy
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:15 PM
Jun 2021

From a little one-upmanship from this whole ordeal is distasteful at best.

My comment stands.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
51. I think you are way off base.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 07:32 AM
Jun 2021

As far as I can tell, when people here make mistakes, which is rare, they immediately own them and update older posts with the facts and the old narrative is never seen or heard from again.

sarisataka

(18,458 posts)
62. As far as I can tell
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 01:57 PM
Jun 2021

People often build a fictional perpetrator of an event that matches what they hope he will be. Then a background and motivations are assigned along the same pattern. This perpetrator is then used to support why we hate people like that.

When the facts come out there are few to no admissions of mistakes and no updating old posts.

Look at these threads-
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142758590
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215543806

Note the posts speculating the driver was a skinhead after the GMC identified him as a member. Very few updates to old posts or a owning mistakes.

To end on a positive note I will commend our poster blogslug for putting egg on my face. Blogslug not only deleted their erroneous OP but added an apology.
I tip my hat and offer my own apology to blogslug and the others who at least deleted their speculative posts.

sarisataka

(18,458 posts)
80. When I self reflect, what truly makes me upset
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 04:06 PM
Jun 2021

Is not even the constant stereotypical speculation. It is the way the threads simply drop when expectations are not met.

What that tells me is the outrage was not truly about the victims but the perpetrator.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
75. I'm sorry, but that's just not true.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:21 PM
Jun 2021

I’ve lost count of threads that blow up to a huge size as everyone decides that a trumper has committed a heinous act, only to watch that thread vanish POOF! when the truth comes out that it was not a person that fit the narrative of the thread. VERY few people every admit that they were wrong.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
37. I guess not. But we should give a gay man who is a member of the chorus the benefit of the doubt.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:00 AM
Jun 2021

I don’t believe a hateful POS would join the chorus just to pull this off. People would know. For sure.

This is more common than you might know. When studying vehicle safety for my job one of the things I learned and made policy for my employees is that when you pick up or drop off someone the vehicle is in park. Multiple people die every year because under that scenario the vehicle is left in Drive and they unintentionally let their foot off the brake. Then panic and hit the accelerator and run over the passenger. These things happen too often.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
50. Yeah, ok, he's a straight sleeper assassin who infiltrated the Gay Men's Chorus.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 07:31 AM
Jun 2021

Yep. That’s the ticket!

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
59. I seriously doubt this is the case in this incident.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 10:14 AM
Jun 2021

But hey, enjoy thinking things are probably not what they are.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
55. If jumping to conclusions became an Olympic sport...
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 08:27 AM
Jun 2021

Some folks around here would take home medals. To some extent it's just human nature, but you'd think at some point folks would learn to wait for more information. As for walking back those comments, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
60. Exactly. I don't like the hypocrisy so often seen.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 10:17 AM
Jun 2021

People are all outraged at a shooting/ attack when they think it’s some white gopper pos as the perp, but if it turns out not to be that, suddenly the outrage vanishes, threads drop never to be seen again.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
73. Yep, I've seen it happen several times on threads about various topics.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:18 PM
Jun 2021

The story breaks, people leap to conclusions... then the facts come out and the thread drops like a rock. It's very discouraging to see things like that in a community that ostensibly prides itself on being rational and intelligent, unlike those boobs on the right.

Progressives are just as vulnerable to confirmation bias as anyone else.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
81. Yep, and what gets me is it's so often the same posters.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 04:11 PM
Jun 2021

They never learn. Or, there might be a more nefarious reason…

twin_ghost

(435 posts)
65. The Mayor called it terrorism.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:03 PM
Jun 2021

I think the driver has a strong case of libel. Of course, the driver face huge liabilities for the death of one and an injury to another.

WarGamer

(12,301 posts)
66. I'd like to give much respect to DWS...
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 02:07 PM
Jun 2021

She was right there in the middle of it all... she didn't know what had happened and she didn't know if it was an act of terror or an assassination attempt... or an accident.

Not ONCE did she jump to conclusions or unleash the Twitter with crazy ass shit...

That's an experienced and wise politician.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
82. Local newspaper sites now saying the driver is a 77 year old man.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 06:03 PM
Jun 2021

Apparently not able to walk in the parade, so he was driving in it as a participant. What a tragedy all around.

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