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brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 05:28 PM Jun 2021

Harry Enten: How this is the most unpredictable NYC mayoral race in 50 years

CNN

(CNN)Poll of the week: A new WNBC/Telemundo 47/Politico/Marist College poll finds Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams leading the New York City Democratic mayoral primary 24% to Kathryn Garcia's 17%, Maya Wiley's 15%, and Andrew Yang's 13%. All other candidates are in single-digits.

The same poll found that when ranked choice voting was applied that Adams defeated Garcia 56% to 44% in the final round.

Pretty much every other public poll puts Adams on top in voters' first choice, but other surveys show anything from a large Adams lead to a small Garcia advantage in the final round.

What's the point: With the primary on Tuesday, the word "mess" is the only real way to describe the Democratic mayoral primary in the country's most populated and heavily Democratic city.

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Harry Enten: How this is the most unpredictable NYC mayoral race in 50 years (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2021 OP
I just want to say KentuckyWoman Jun 2021 #1
Harry Enten montanacowboy Jun 2021 #3
More specifically he was the polling expert at 538 brooklynite Jun 2021 #4
He's not nearly as annoying as Steve Kornacki... comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #6
I don't see this as a mess jimfields33 Jun 2021 #2
"Soon enough" is apparently "a month from now" or longer... brooklynite Jun 2021 #5
I know. But New York used to have nothing but one day voting jimfields33 Jun 2021 #7
Agree, but imo it's fine so far because Adams and Garcia are pretty similar, Hortensis Jun 2021 #8
Not how its playing out at all brooklynite Jun 2021 #11
On another race. Blue_true Jun 2021 #12
I'm in Brooklyn (obviously), so I have my own races to try and track... brooklynite Jun 2021 #14
Like I said, I am following the Manhattan DA race because of the Blue_true Jun 2021 #16
Understood, but I have to juggle the Mayor, City Comptroller, Borough President, City Council... brooklynite Jun 2021 #17
Well good luck. Must be really nice to live in a heavily Democratic location. Blue_true Jun 2021 #18
oh, mannn I haven't even looked at any race beyond Mayor... electric_blue68 Jun 2021 #19
Is it a straight up primary Jilly_in_VA Jun 2021 #9
Ranked choice, unless one person wins 51% outright. nt Blue_true Jun 2021 #13
That doesn't seem likely this year Jilly_in_VA Jun 2021 #20
Polls are just not that reliable as has been proven over the last 3 cycles PortTack Jun 2021 #10
Yeah, but John Q. Public doesn't get big money for walking down the street. Blue_true Jun 2021 #15

KentuckyWoman

(6,687 posts)
1. I just want to say
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 05:33 PM
Jun 2021

I saw that as "Harry Eaten" and had about 6 jokes lined up before I realized I saw that wrong.

I am unfamiliar with Mr. Enten, but I would expect NYC Mayoral races to be particularly messy. There is a lot at stake.

jimfields33

(15,823 posts)
2. I don't see this as a mess
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 05:34 PM
Jun 2021

We’ll see the winner soon enough. Adam’s may win and that’s fine. Garcia may win and that’s fine. Any of them may win for that matter. I don’t see a mess.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
5. "Soon enough" is apparently "a month from now" or longer...
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 05:40 PM
Jun 2021

NYC Board of Elections has a particularly bad record with vote counting, and the new rules on receiving mail-in ballots, curing ballot errors and manually going through 12 rounds of counting will drag things out.

jimfields33

(15,823 posts)
7. I know. But New York used to have nothing but one day voting
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 05:45 PM
Jun 2021

Even absentee was a bit harder then now under the new name mail in. This is an improvement even though it will take time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Agree, but imo it's fine so far because Adams and Garcia are pretty similar,
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 05:52 PM
Jun 2021

out of the same reasonably experienced and grounded liberal bowl.

If they were significantly different ideologically, it'd qualify as a mess to me. Primary elections should not be an unstable ideological crap shoot. Whatever its benefits, ranked choice does increase the possibility of bad surprises unintended by any true majority.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
11. Not how its playing out at all
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 08:40 PM
Jun 2021

Morales supporters are unhappy that Wiley is too wishy-washy on "defund the police".

Wiley supporters are unhappy that Scott Stringer is splitting the progressive vote, and the top three candidates are moderate.

Adams supporters are unhappy that Garcia and Yang have agreed on a co-ranking deal to block Adams, which apparently is denying hime his "right" to be the next Mayor of color.

Garcia and Yang supporters are unhappy that Adams is too cozy with developers and is too pro-gun.

Not sure how many people will be satisfied with the final outcome.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. On another race.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 08:49 PM
Jun 2021

How do you see the Manhattan DA race playing out?

It seems that the Assistant State Attorney is the best choice, IMO.

I read today that it is basically a two person race between Weinstein(sp?) and the Assistant State Attorney. The race is making national news due to the Trump Organization criminal probe being run by that office, that is why I read about it here in Florida.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. Like I said, I am following the Manhattan DA race because of the
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 08:54 PM
Jun 2021

potential for criminal charges being filed against the Trump organization, Trump or both.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
17. Understood, but I have to juggle the Mayor, City Comptroller, Borough President, City Council...
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 08:58 PM
Jun 2021

...each with five candidates to rank out of as many as 13. It's keeping me busy.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. Well good luck. Must be really nice to live in a heavily Democratic location.
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 09:00 PM
Jun 2021

I am not remotely as lucky.

electric_blue68

(14,909 posts)
19. oh, mannn I haven't even looked at any race beyond Mayor...
Mon Jun 21, 2021, 03:10 AM
Jun 2021

to think I have to rank choice everyone. Ugh.
I haven't quite made up my mind for Mayor yet, either.

I'm in The Bronx. I guess I know be doing tomorrow (checking the debates, League of Women Voters, Gothamist etc), and part of Tues.
Thank goodness I can walk to my polling place, and that polls are open till 9M.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,983 posts)
20. That doesn't seem likely this year
Mon Jun 21, 2021, 12:45 PM
Jun 2021

I'll keep an eye out. I personally like Maya Wiley but I don't think she has a snowball's chance against the machines.

PortTack

(32,778 posts)
10. Polls are just not that reliable as has been proven over the last 3 cycles
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 07:00 PM
Jun 2021

Saying the mayoral race is unpredictable just lets them off the hook for not having any idea.... anymore that Jon q public walking down the street

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