159. Remember that number. That's how many have to die in a building collapse,

[Baitball Blogger]

before Republicans take inspections in Florida seriously.

You know what government regulation is? It's a pro-active safety measure. THIS is what Republican want to remove from government.

In wake of condo collapse, Miami orders inspections of older high-rises

MIAMI (WSVN) - Days after a wing of a condominium building in Surfside crumbled to the ground, officials in the City of Miami and at least two other South Florida cities have ordered immediate inspections of their older residential high-rises.

Miami officials on Saturday said the evaluations will apply to buildings six stories and higher that are 40 years old and older.

Officials urge associations to retain structure engineers immediately. They have 45 days to provide their findings.

Meanwhile, Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava has ordered all cities in the county to conduct similar audits.

https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-dade/in-wake-of-condo-collapse-miami-orders-inspections-of-older-high-rises/

[The Wizard]

1. They will revert back

to putting profits before people in short order.

[Baitball Blogger]

2. Well, they certainly got away with it with the Covid deaths.

[Snackshack]

33. Yep

Inspections will be ramped up for the next 6 months to a year but then after nothing else happens the same profits before safety cost cutting measures will slowly seep back into the daily operations.


As for COVID-19. I simply lack understanding of how this got pulled off. The numerous bits of info leaked on what should only be described as a criminally negligent response, DT openly admitting to lying about how deadly he knew it to be and America has basically accepted it… 600,000+ Americans have died. If you add in the University of Washington study on under reporting of COVID deaths it looks closer to 1,000,000 Americans that have died. No one is calling for any accountability about how it got this bad and how so many died. January 6th is important and needs to be investigated and accountability needs to happen but 600,000+ to COVID-19 (10 Vietnam’s) is important also yet no one has said a word about why. Who knows, maybe at the root of the matter that is what January 6th was all about because it has been very effective at keeping everything else out of the topic of discussion.

[Baitball Blogger]

35. +1000

[llashram]

37. no doubt

[Sherman A1]

3. Inspections may be done

But I suspect that nothing will happen after that.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Definitely there could be building inspectors with good conscience and intentions,

but their bosses have control over what happens next, and the city and county managers over them, and the elected officials over them.

[gab13by13]

4. So what will they do if they find

issues elsewhere? I'm guessing it depends who owns the condo.

[Baitball Blogger]

11. Bingo!

[moondust]

5. When is DeSatan's next Deregathon?

At some point he and other GQP should be asked about it.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. +1

[oasis]

18. +1

[Klaralven]

6. But will HOAs actually assess their members for the cost of the repairs?

Will Miami-Dade actually condemn unsound buildings?

Note that Miami-Dade is largely Democratic, and that these are largely functions of municipal and county government.

[Baitball Blogger]

13. I don't know what to think about the make-up of Miami-Dade's political leanings.

Seems like the last election they were heavy on the side of business, not good government.

[luv2fly]

7. Buildings, bridges, meat, produce, etc...

Republicans think inspections of damn near anything and everything is an undue burden on businesses because it takes dollars out of the owner's pockets. Profit before people, in all cases.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. +1

[tavernier]

8. Don't know about the outcomes, but

I bet you’ll be able to pick up apartments pretty cheap in Miami next week.

[Baitball Blogger]

15. We're about to see a blow-back, for sure.

[fescuerescue]

19. That's another strike against multi unit buildings

Between the pandemic and now this.

Prices are already skyrocketing on single family homes. This will accelerate it.

[Backseat Driver]

9. Action ordered because inspection in the current situation

revealed problems that represented a "clear but distant" danger? We have all been impacted by this incident of building collapse, feeling a bit helpless to prevent or assist the many apparent victims' families to an extent that amounts to not only a national incident but also an international incident. So, of course, it's time for the locals to become responsive in some "important" ways whatever the cause, which is later to be determined.

This happens quite often in smaller scale situations as well. I've seen it when locals suddenly decide to investigate whether or not gates should be placed at railroad crossings or traffic signals or signage indicators should be placed at highway intersections/crossings or even city pedestrian sidewalks. A certain number of deaths and/or traumatic injuries must occur before it's generally blamed on inadequate protective measures that need be added or changed. It's sad these incidents occurred in the first place but sometimes it seems to take a "certain" number of situations to stimulate a feeling that changes must be made/ordered to protect the general public from themselves or others in light of greater traffic, non-maintenance, or just singular human idiocy with failure of value(s)/common sense.

SMH and awaiting the results of the factors here for sure. It's also a wake-up call about what rising sea levels in climate change could mean to those in crisis areas that were unknown or just not envisioned by science to perhaps happen at the time of construction, unheeded dangers indicated by failures but procrastinated against a rapid need for expensive repair, unknown choices to make corrupt business practice decisions, then the victim's deaths themselves that resulted because we did not know, did not take action to rapidly make the needed changes, nor did anything at all to prevent because there were already a prevention process in place or legislation that could be litigated. SO SAD and HEARTBRAKING, and as a whole, even both politically unhealthy and responsive healthy communities do respond to that because we just don't like feeling like, somehow responsible, about this tragic loss of life while cynically wondering just how many deaths are needed to effect change.

[malaise]

16. Yep

K & R

Do you know where DeathSentence signed some of those very recent bills?

[Baitball Blogger]

21. Do you have an answer? I feel irony coming.

[malaise]

31. Here

He's sorry the founding fathers didn't want religion in schools.

[Baitball Blogger]

36. De Santis will do more to target and punish people who think outside his world view

and he signs the law in a synagogue, where people should know what it feels like when you're being singled out.

[Johnny2X2X]

17. This is DeSantis's Texas Power Grid moment

This is what Conservatism gets you, sure, short term it might be nice for everything to be cheaper, but you end up with power grids that fail in bad weather and buildings that collapse with 160 people inside of them.

We already have examples of Conservatism run wild in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi. You end up with failed states, and near 3rd world living conditions and outcomes for most of the population.

[FakeNoose]

20. Is zoning a local issue or state-wide?

I'm guessing in the case of Florida, it's a local issue.

Zoning these high-rise buildings out of existence could be one answer for the future. However for the immediate response, those buildings need to be condemned. Get those people out of there before the next disaster strikes. The banks and insurance companies will never agree on anything, except for the universal concept that THEY don't want to be held responsible.

[treestar]

22. This shows how they are wrong about self interest

The right claims pure unregulated capitalism is best, because the profit motive makes the profiteer think of his own interests, which of course are that his building is quality and does not fall down.

Yet it doesn't always work. The only deterrent would be lawsuits, and the motive to avoid those does seem to work, look at all that is done in the name of avoiding them. Yet the right always wants to curb those, too.

So they know they don't believe their own theories. They only want to use those to fool the voters into thinking government regulation is the bad thing.

[elias7]

23. Republicans fail to see the are typically wrong about most everything

[The Jungle 1]

24. I was in the Miami airport for 17 hours yesterday.

On the second floor in departures the floor keep shaking. It would be still and then it would violently shake. We were right above baggage handling. I am guessing something down there was making the floor shake.
No way can it be right for that floor to shake like that. I couldn't wait to get on the plane.
SOMETHING IS WRONG IN THAT AIRPORT BUILDING!
We departed from D43

[TNNurse]

25. Well, if some of the dead are known to be wealthy Republicans

who donate, then they will pay attention.

Remember issues are only meaningful to the GOP when they affect them.

[Baitball Blogger]

26. I wonder about that.

It's obvious that the Delta Covid variant is going to knock out more Republicans (unvaccinated) than Democrats. So, they're purging their own voter rolls.

[lark]

27. The building was inspected in 2018 and repairs were needed.

Who decided not to do that - was it the board - sue the MFers if so. If it was the condo owners refusing to fund it, or was it the building owners never brought it to the homeowners attention? If so - sue him or them or whichever group made this fucking horrible decision.

[Captain Stern]

32. Aren't those groups pretty much all the same people?

The condo owners are the HOA and the owners of the building.

These folks individually own their units, but jointly own everything else.

I suspect that if it turns out that repairs weren't done because of the cost, then the people in this building will get nothing.

[lark]

34. I really don't know how that works and you could very well be right.

I expect the result you said, unless there was someone or someones - who got the information and hid it. Now if it is proven the building was constructed wrong, & I have seen a lot of speculation about that, maybe they could be sued?

OTOH, if the condo owners knew and ignored the need, I doubt there is any relief for them legally.

[BradAllison]

28. Ron DeathSantis doesn't care

He'll blame it on Biden or some Democrat elected 50 years ago down there when he slithers out from his hole.

[lark]

29. The building was inspected in 2018 and repairs were needed.

Who decided not to do that - was it the board - sue the MFers if so. If it was the condo owners refusing to fund it, or was it the building owners never brought it to the homeowners attention? If so - sue him or them or whichever group made this fucking horrible decision.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

30. Short-term profit is the main motivation.

That's blatantly clear about nearly everything, such as the climate change issue.

It's like, "I'll be dead before it affects me. Tee hee!"