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ancianita

(36,055 posts)
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 08:36 AM Jul 2021

Learning the Hard Way: example of cascading climate disaster due to uncontrollable Earth dynamics.

Lytton, BC, burned to the ground because the heat dome turned the surrounding forest into a tinderbox creating a pyrocumulonimbus event triggering over 700k lightning strikes and forming an inland tropical depression.







We puny humans, ALL of us, have a real hard time understanding how fucking fast large systems can change once enough energy builds up. It’s all exponential stuff that we just don’t usually have the mental capacity to conceptually grasp, nor the alghorithms for predicting or measuring.

There are changes that could easily wipe all life out in a matter of hours on this planet if the right mechanisms got the right energy.

Lytton, BC, is humans' first example.



Humans. WE ALL must learn this now. NOW.

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Learning the Hard Way: example of cascading climate disaster due to uncontrollable Earth dynamics. (Original Post) ancianita Jul 2021 OP
What, short of an asteroid impact, could wipe out all life on Earth in a few hours? Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #1
That's the ONLY past example we have. All I gotta say is fuck around and find out. ancianita Jul 2021 #4
Actually, no known asteroid has destroyed all life on Earth...otherwise, we wouldn't be here. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #5
You're having a hard time, I see. Like I said... ancianita Jul 2021 #6
As bad as all of that is, it can't come close to wiping out all life on Earth in a few hours Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #7
Rational as all that is, don't think it won't happen just because it hasn't happened yet. ancianita Jul 2021 #8
So all you have is "Just wait, you'll see!"? Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #9
Duly noted. ancianita Jul 2021 #12
A swarm of cascading climate disasters could certainly result in a life not worth living. Hugin Jul 2021 #13
Are you not reading my posts? I'm not for a moment denying the gravity of the situation. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #14
+1 n/t Hugin Jul 2021 #10
Lytton is located in British Columbia, Canada at the confluence of the mighty Fraser River ... Botany Jul 2021 #2
News story: Village of Lytton, B.C., evacuated as mayor says 'the whole town is on fire' FakeNoose Jul 2021 #3
pyrocumulonimbus milestogo Jul 2021 #11
A devastating warning peggysue2 Jul 2021 #15
Yes! By the time we wait for our turn to believe it, it will have already, long ago, been too late. ancianita Jul 2021 #17
Not disagreeing with you, ancianita peggysue2 Jul 2021 #21
Oh, I know that, and am glad for that. ancianita Jul 2021 #22
We're too busy arguing about our own identity politics to come together and deal with the biggest jalan48 Jul 2021 #16
Thank you! Fussing & fighting while Earth is busy healing, maybe curing itself of human existence. ancianita Jul 2021 #18
When did this happen? W_HAMILTON Jul 2021 #19
Wednesday. Hugin Jul 2021 #20
this week we reached the back half of FAFO 0rganism Jul 2021 #23
Yep. ancianita Jul 2021 #24
 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
5. Actually, no known asteroid has destroyed all life on Earth...otherwise, we wouldn't be here.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 10:03 AM
Jul 2021

I'm not trying to minimize the significance of the wildfire which destroyed that town, but saying that it's a precursor to somehing which could exterminate all life on Earth is a wee bit overdramatic.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
6. You're having a hard time, I see. Like I said...
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 10:13 AM
Jul 2021

We puny humans, ALL of us, have a real hard time understanding how fucking fast large systems can change once enough energy builds up. It’s all exponential stuff that we just don’t usually have the mental capacity to conceptually grasp, nor the alghorithms for predicting or measuring.








Your life. You learn your way. I'll learn mine.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
7. As bad as all of that is, it can't come close to wiping out all life on Earth in a few hours
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 10:16 AM
Jul 2021

as you asserted in your OP. If I'm wrong, please explain how.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
8. Rational as all that is, don't think it won't happen just because it hasn't happened yet.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 10:24 AM
Jul 2021

If I'm wrong, please explain how.

If we're stuck without proof, I know which side you'll err on.

So hey, let's dance it out!





Now, can you see those dark clouds gathering up ahead?
They're gonna wash this planet clean like the Bible said
Now you can hold on steady, try to be ready
But everybody's gonna get wet
Don't think it won't happen just because it hasn't happened yet

I'm just rolling away from yesterday
Behind the wheel of a stolen Chevrolet
Gonna get a little high and
See if I can hot-wire reality

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
9. So all you have is "Just wait, you'll see!"?
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 10:44 AM
Jul 2021

Not the most convincing argument I've ever seen....


If I'm wrong, please explain how.


That's not how it works. As the one making the assertion, it's incumbent upon you to defend it. Once you've done so, I'll be happy to explain why you're wrong.

I would point out that you've already acknowledged that I'm the one who's being rational in this matter, though.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
12. Duly noted.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 11:07 AM
Jul 2021

I already told you why cascading climate dynamics are not provable or preventable, only observable.
So given that reality, you can beat me with the irrationality club from your current location.


The start of summer 2021. Watch, kick back and enjoy your rightness for the rest of summer.

Hugin

(33,140 posts)
13. A swarm of cascading climate disasters could certainly result in a life not worth living.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 11:13 AM
Jul 2021

There are those who insist that trying to outrun an avalanche is preferable to smartly stepping out of the way.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
14. Are you not reading my posts? I'm not for a moment denying the gravity of the situation.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 11:14 AM
Jul 2021

You have asserted (and continue to do so) that these events can destroy all life on Earth in a matter of hours.

How?

Botany

(70,504 posts)
2. Lytton is located in British Columbia, Canada at the confluence of the mighty Fraser River ...
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 08:42 AM
Jul 2021

... and its largest tributary, the Thompson River.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
3. News story: Village of Lytton, B.C., evacuated as mayor says 'the whole town is on fire'
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 08:55 AM
Jul 2021
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-wildfires-june-30-2021-1.6085919

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1916615747872/

CBC News · Posted: Jun 30, 2021 9:02 AM PT

A small B.C. village that endured the hottest temperatures ever recorded in Canada for days on end this week was engulfed in flames Wednesday night and residents were forced to flee, many without their belongings.

Mayor Jan Polderman says he told everyone to leave Lytton, as a fire rapidly spread into the community of about 250 people. He signed the official evacuation order at 6 p.m. PT.

"It's dire. The whole town is on fire," Polderman told CBC News. "It took, like, a whole 15 minutes from the first sign of smoke to, all of a sudden, there being fire everywhere."

He said he told residents to head for the nearby community of Boston Bar, and was on his way there himself. A reception centre has also been set up in Merritt to the east, and other residents have taken shelter in Lillooet to the north.

"At the First Nation band office, the fire was a wall about three, four feet high coming up to the fence line. I drove through town and it was just smoke, flames, the wires were down," Polderman said.

Video captured by residents rushing out of town show numerous structures on fire in every direction.

Later Wednesday night, residents of another 87 properties to the north of Lytton were ordered to leave home as well.


Wow!


peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
15. A devastating warning
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 11:31 AM
Jul 2021

We won't get many more. We needed to act yesterday. The urgency of NOW is upon us all.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
21. Not disagreeing with you, ancianita
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 11:48 AM
Jul 2021

We had a window when we could have reduced the danger. Now, we're in a situation where we can only mitigate and prepare for what's coming at us, our children and grand babies.

The fact that there are still climate deniers is astonishing which will only add to the destruction of life and property that we now have no way of avoiding, merely reduce around the edges. If we're lucky, that is, because the peril could easily be catastrophic.

We cannot pretend our way out of this. Mother Nature is in charge. Mother Nature has always been in charge. We've been too blind to see it, too arrogant to admit it.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
22. Oh, I know that, and am glad for that.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 11:54 AM
Jul 2021
Yes, you are correct. We left the prevention zone during the years Gore would have been president, and are now in the mitigation zone. Mitigation can take many generations ahead. It's not something that can wind down as quickly as our awareness has grown. Working hard on mitigation will be a way of life, not a hobby for some and/or life's work for the rest.

Mitigation starts with me.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
16. We're too busy arguing about our own identity politics to come together and deal with the biggest
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 11:31 AM
Jul 2021

issue facing all of us. Of course, ignoring the biggest issue works for the fossil fuel industry.

0rganism

(23,953 posts)
23. this week we reached the back half of FAFO
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 12:21 PM
Jul 2021

bummer that we're all still having so much fun with the front half
enjoy the ice cream, right?

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
24. Yep.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 12:53 PM
Jul 2021

We'll someday be reminiscing the good ol' days of the temporary stuff like tornadoes and hurricanes.

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