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Thomas Massie
@RepThomasMassie
Ive been contacted by members of our voluntary military who say they will quit if the COVID vaccine is mandated.
I introduced HR 3860 to prohibit any mandatory requirement that a member of the Armed Forces receive a vaccination against COVID-19.
It now has 24 sponsors.
ArmyTimes
@ArmyTimes
Prepare for mandatory COVID vaccines in September, Army says in EXORD
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1:24 PM · Jul 3, 2021
Bet all the DU vets are shocked to hear you could've quit the military if you didn't want to follow an order.
captain queeg
(10,274 posts)Got pumped for of all kinds of vaccines and prophylactic drugs.
former9thward
(32,106 posts)The military has an exception for the Covid vaccine because it has not been approved.
Mysterian
(4,597 posts)I and every member of my unit were given experimental vaccines in 1993.
former9thward
(32,106 posts)Mysterian
(4,597 posts)The anthrax vaccine was initially given to military members off label, without full Food and Drug Administration approval, to protect against inhalation anthrax.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/coronavirus/pentagon-wary-of-forcing-u-s-troops-to-get-coronavirus-shots
Any more questions, sparky?
former9thward
(32,106 posts)In 1998 Congress passed 10 U.S.C. § 1107 which requires the military to get informed consent before giving vaccines which have not been approved. The military stopped requiring anthrax vaccines in 2000 as a result. President Biden has the authority to override that but he has said he will not do that.
Mysterian
(4,597 posts)Believe it or not, the Gulf War started in 1990.
former9thward
(32,106 posts)The Gulf War is not called the Iraq war. Catch up.
Mysterian
(4,597 posts)not the "Iraq War."
Stop digging when you're in a hole. You made a bogus claim and you got caught.
former9thward
(32,106 posts)And you know what he meant by the word "Iraq"? interesting claim.
Given your lack of knowlege about the military and vaccines post 1993, your comment about "stop digging" is pretty rich.
Mysterian
(4,597 posts)There is nothing unclear about that statement.
You made a bogus claim and now you tap-dance.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)orangecrush
(19,655 posts)For anthrax.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)...it kills the bacterium (Bacillus anthracis) that causes anthrax. But I thought they used a vaccination during the Gulf War, not an antibiotic?
sarisataka
(18,839 posts)We were handed cards of cipro for anthrax and something else for nerve gas (the name of the medicine escapes me now). We took the cipro because some guys who came from ranches knew it was used for anthrax. Since no one had previously heard of a pill to reduce the effects of nerve gas, those pills had a funny habit of getting lost
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)It's an interesting approach. Vaccinating against anthrax would have been more effective, but there might have been resistance? If there was, using cirprofloxacin would have been a much less effective, but less controversial way to protect against anthrax.
orangecrush
(19,655 posts)As a prophylactic.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)sarisataka
(18,839 posts)It may be true, they can resign.
For those of us who worked for a living you volunteered once, after that we were voluntold
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Many of those officers have mandatory obligations because of education or bonus money. I was literally obligated up to my 20 year mark because of bonus money I took at my midpoint of like 120k.
Only stayed two more years to qualify for O5 retirement.
sarisataka
(18,839 posts)There are cases where the option to resign is not available
paleotn
(17,990 posts)"Quit?" Well, I guess you could...sorta, but I wouldn't recommend it. Got a hell of a laugh out of that one.
denbot
(9,901 posts)If I refused, Id have been standing outside the gates with a dishonorable discharge under my arm that afternoon..
sarisataka
(18,839 posts)denbot
(9,901 posts)The hell I wouldnt.. LoL
sarisataka
(18,839 posts)You would have to be convicted by a General Court Martial. Maybe during Vietnam they would have convened a Court Martial but it would have been a Summary or Special to give you time in the brig before giving the boot.
Mid 70s they would have handed you a bus ticket with a general discharge or perhaps a under other than honorable if they were in a pissy mood.
Traildogbob
(8,856 posts)San Diego Navy boot. First day. Penicillin in the ass. There was a hepatitis raging through boot. Before pulling anchor for a 7 month tour through Europe and Middle East, we stood in line, both sleeves up, and walked through with the high pressure Vax streaming guns hitting both arms. Up to 6 different vaccinations. We could not whine and quit. After a few days of liberty in a port city, quite a few sailors would be in sick bay line desperately seeking vaccinations. The preLiberty horror films that were mandated we watch with rotting penises by SDTs worked for me. Celibacy, was my cure.
denbot
(9,901 posts)Its been long enough so to be seen through nostalgia..
Traildogbob
(8,856 posts)And Oars😁
denbot
(9,901 posts)I still dont miss that..
The Shellback ceremony. No more of that please. We actually had no GPS. Navigated by stars while crossing the big pond.
denbot
(9,901 posts)But every junior officer was on the bridge wing sighting with sextons, knowing the XO was there with his personal sexton. LoL!
Traildogbob
(8,856 posts)Ops Specialist. I would do love to see whats up in todays CIC. Tech must be amazing.
denbot
(9,901 posts)I was an OS too.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)...they shot you with? There have been hepatitis A and B vaccines for a long time. I wasn't in the military, but I got them because I worked in a hospital. Maybe it was the Hepatitis B vaccine you got?
But yes, recruits have been getting military series vaccines for decades. Nobody was ever allowed to refuse, despite the fact that anti-vaccine hysteria has been around for decades, too.
Traildogbob
(8,856 posts)There was a Big outbreak from mess hall sanitation, Or lack thereof.
Whatever the gave us was a cold thick glob, on purpose by the corpsmen. They knew days of marching with that clob would hurt like hell. Lined us against a wall, drop trow, and pretended they were gonna throw needles like darts.
Today there woulda been law suits with this generation of, oh you cant make me take a shot crowd.
denbot
(9,901 posts)And wondering about recent decisions..
sarge43
(28,946 posts)At best you'd be handed a bus ticket and told "Go away now" (too much paperwork otherwise). Worse, Come to Jesus duty like painting every rock on the patch over and over until you modified your behavior.
Traildogbob
(8,856 posts)Hahahaha. Vietnam near end and draft coming to a close. NOBUDY was joining. If you were enlisted, you aint leaving. We had people jumping overboard in a mass population of man of war, to get thrown out. They were given extra duty. Had a guy crawling through a full days worth food scraps, 339 sailors on my Destroyer, rotting food in garbage bags before being thrown overboard like a dumpster, just to get a crazy discharge. Extra duty. Had an EW throw over secret publications with codes for comparison comma, a damn pilot, he went to brig to finish enlistment. Nobody walked away.
Saying I aint taking no shot, hahahahaha!🤣🤣😂😂
sarge43
(28,946 posts)It had people lining up at the door, so "don't let the gate hit ya" was the easier way to deal with the eager young space cadets PITAs.
The Come to Jesus method was the preferred reinforcing the learning instructions. Mine was cleaning every barrack garbage can until She Who Must Be Obeyed was satisfied all the crud atoms were gone.
Traildogbob
(8,856 posts)Have a younger brother that Stationed in Brindisi Italy during my enlisted years at an Air Force Base. All he had to do was run the radio TV Station. Loved off base on the beach, had a Fiat Spyder. Went to see him while in port in Naples on leave. He Got a less than honorable discharge, Unable to adapt to military life. Got picked up by a Russian Troller, (🤔 after current pulled him and friends out to sea on a raft. Held for hours for questioning.
After Air Force worked at Savannah Nuke plat as IT.
Against company demands went to Russia for a bride, during Obama years, with a laptop owned by the Plant. Fired!!!! Now he works at a tiny right wing TV station, all Jesusy. His minimal English speaking wife now inviting family here. He is all Trump, stolen elections, Covid is fake, Vax will kill you.
The kicker, it was hard to get her into US. Daughter fighting cancer. And quess who pulled political strings to get an immigrant into country?
One anti immigrant Lindsey Graham. Now ole Lindsey is God to him. Oh what a web. Pride of the U.S. Air Force. Military life!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
marie999
(3,334 posts)There are jobs in the military that preclude you from going anywhere near a war zone. Neither my future husband nor I were allowed anywhere near a war zone.
Traildogbob
(8,856 posts)Draft number, 306. Probably would no been called up.
sarisataka
(18,839 posts)Willy-nilly, even some who should know better.
If we are criticizing a Congress critter for not knowing military procedures we should be accurate in our statements. I can understand a civilian not knowing there is a difference but any vet should recall the knowledge of various discharges that were beaten into our heads ad nauseum.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)DD has a high (low?) bar.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,375 posts)Dunno about now, but when I was vaccinated, they used hydraulic guns instead of needles. Lined us up, each station with a different vaccine, held the gun against the shoulder and "bang", vaccine was pushed through the skin. Easy and fast, except for anyone who flinched, which caused a big slice, ouch.
Then we were bussed to the train station, and on to a basic training post. Me, and a couple hundred other draftees.
Buckeyeblue
(5,504 posts)If they are refusing to voluntarily get the covid vaccine I don't trust their judgement and would prefer they not fight for my freedom.
moonscape
(4,674 posts)the worst RWNJs.
usaf-vet
(6,227 posts).... especially if the Delta Variant continues to spread.
Jason Borne is fighting for your freedom, but he absolutely refuses to take the vaccine so no respect. Poor Jason. And thank you for standing up to him.
Sorry. That was my attempt to poke fun. Please don't take offense.
Buckeyeblue
(5,504 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,297 posts)But, I also don't believe his "quit" story, (I doubt he talked to more than one rogue officer).
And, I know this has nothing really to do with vaccines.
Midnight Writer
(21,819 posts)All the Right Wingers will be on the same page on this by tomorrow.
ProfessorGAC
(65,297 posts)So he can't quit over this.
My instinct tells me this rep made the whole thing up.
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Midnight Writer This message was self-deleted by its author.
11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)by simply refusing the fairly lengthy series of injections I had to receive prior to heading that way, I'm going to suggest that Rep. Massie is a major dumbass.
Just for fun, I think I'll contact his office and ask him what he thinks my options might have been in 1970.
Mr.Bill
(24,344 posts)is ignorant and full of shit. This bill will never get out of committee.
SunImp
(2,228 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)I got in line, got my shots and that was it.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)we were simply told we "needed" the shots. I got more shots after basic training and advanced training because I was being sent to Germany.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)KS Toronado
(17,388 posts)Just one of those things to help make us live longer.
COL Mustard
(5,939 posts)Otherwise you had to start all over again.
sarisataka
(18,839 posts)Transferred from Lejeune to Pendleton, med records were shipped by courier because, as a Lance Coolie, I couldn't be trusted to hand deliver them. All the papers I was tasked to carry were delivered but the med file vanished without a trace.
It sucks getting the entire shot battery in the space of an hour. I think the only shot I didn't have to get was tetnus because I have a card on me from my civilian doctor.
ornotna
(10,807 posts)Who knew.
Yeah, good luck with that one.
twodogsbarking
(9,853 posts)are very stupid.
turbinetree
(24,735 posts)I don't think so....we had to get shots before deployment overseas even as a kid....
sarge43
(28,946 posts)Quell surprise.
Not that it would happen, but pin head should take a look at the disease vs battle causalities rates.
In the Revolution the disease rate was 90%. WWII .4%. Thanks vaccinations.
turbinetree
(24,735 posts)he deliberately infected them with Chicken Pox, and then that chicken pox went right after the natives and the British and there allies...but he more than likely doesn't know this fact....and your points are very good also...but he wants to yammer like a pin head idiot that he is and what's really galling he gets to be in office with a title and and do this shit show...
Mickju
(1,807 posts)Of course they were all required.
usaf-vet
(6,227 posts).... for known jungle diseases. And I have my original shot records to prove it. It was assumed that anyone could end up in Vietnam regardless of your AFSC I was a medic and had all the shots including yellow fever. No one said NO and no one resigned. Several would pass out in the shot line. Some just didn't LIKE SHOTS but they got them anyway unless they were medically allergic.
Anyone who went TDY to Vietnam had their shot records review and renewed as needed before shipping out.
I personally hope Covid shots become part of passport records. And that you will be prevented from entering some countries without government-issued picture ID proof of being CURRENT with Covid vaccinations.
Mickju
(1,807 posts)I remember vividly those shot lines and those guns they used to give us the shots. I agree with you 100% about requiring covid shots to travel.
usaf-vet
(6,227 posts)..... was in basic training because of the long long shot lines. I'm curious did you get the "water cooler shot " in 1970.
Actually, it was the "yellow fever" shot and there was a slightly delayed reaction until you walk to the exit at the door there was a "water cooler" just about then it felt like someone stabbed you with a knife in the arm as you reached the "water cooler".
The DIs used to warn for weeks "wait until" you get the WATER COOLER SHOT! DIs knew how to put the fear of the unknown into the troops. PsyOps!
Mickju
(1,807 posts)But I'm pretty sure I got the yellow fever shot. I went in in Oct, 1970 exactly a year after you got out. I was in the AF Band so I had enlisted directly into the band after auditioning and was in DC for the whole 4 years after basic. I was drafted right before I turned 26 after having teaching deferments. I have never regretted serving. I got my Masters Degree at the expense of the Air Force. (They paid 75%) I also got to travel all over the world and made some great friends. I am proud that I was able to serve my country even though I didn't see combat. I was a professional musician my whole career and am now 77.
kimbutgar
(21,229 posts)He felt like a pin cushion!
Massies comment sounds like another right wing bs talking point echoed by chucker farlson
joetheman
(1,450 posts)EYESORE 9001
(26,012 posts)Actually, I am a veteran, and 24-hour time is one of the few things about the military that I retained into civilian life.
usaf-vet
(6,227 posts)paleotn
(17,990 posts)brooklynite
(94,815 posts)Because its still an unapproved emergency vaccination, they're not requiring it.
Stinky The Clown
(67,832 posts)That is all.
Aviation Pro
(12,210 posts)Good luck with that shit, Snuffies.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)bluedigger
(17,088 posts)If your vac card wasn't full, you weren't ready.
LiberalFighter
(51,197 posts)rownesheck
(2,343 posts)let them. They're obviously not on our team anyway.
Siwsan
(26,308 posts)I'm not even sure they HAVE mosquitoes in Iceland. I know I never saw one. I think they'd have a rough time with both the temperatures and the almost constant brisk wind.
Codifer
(548 posts)that those vets from US and UK who suffered from "Gulf War Syndrome" caused by tainted Anti Anthrax vaccines wish they could have declined that particular shot. French soldiers did not take the vaccine. As a result, they did not suffer from GWS and they did not die.
Culprit was an extremely small organism called Mycophyta pneumonii (if I recall from my research into this some twenty plus years ago). It is a quite common contamination in laboratories.
Department of Defense tried to clamp down on the GWS concern by stating that:
"The percentage of Gulf War veteran's who displayed these varied symptoms was the same as the percentage of the general population who displayed these symptoms."
Many folks did not question that the military population consisted of medically screened folks in the prime of life while the general population included old farts like me, and cancer survivors and folks with bad hearts and com[promised lungs.... loooong list. Not surprised to find symptoms in the latter. Seems to be unusual in the young Airborne Rangers.
Edit to add: I am NOT absolutely sure about this opinion. It has been a very long time.
NH Ethylene
(30,819 posts)That was what I heard back when soldiers were being given unwanted anthrax vaccines, and it stuck in my mind. If so, they would have no choice in the matter.
onethatcares
(16,195 posts)and talk about how tough they are.
Warpy
(111,397 posts)for which a safe and effective vaccine exists,.
Military who object to Covid vaccine after all of that? Who do these loons think they're talking to?
marble falls
(57,398 posts)Captain Zero
(6,845 posts)Nt.
intheflow
(28,509 posts)What do you mean, they signed a contract and get paid?
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)Or is it just THIS vaccine they're making a fuss about? Here we go again. It was the same with the anthrax vaccine during the Gulf War. With all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the woodwork, claiming that all the soldiers who got the anthrax vaccine were damaged by the adjuvant (squalene) that was included in the vaccine. Somebody should have told those nuts that squalene is a a natural lipid, and that the human body makes bucket loads of it already. If it actually does cause damage to the human body, we've got a MUCH bigger problem than including it in vaccines.
How about this? We inoculate the military against IGNORANCE by cutting off the supply of FOX NEWS? It clearly causes significant neural damage.
Turbineguy
(37,383 posts)They get a bigger reward for making it worse.
Yavin4
(35,453 posts)What this "congressman" is saying is borderline criminal.
Shellback Squid
(8,934 posts)lolololololol.........
dchill
(38,578 posts)I was 18 years old. My number was 305.
Iggo
(47,579 posts)Thats me answering the question in the subject line. Wink.
(Not really a question, but you know what I mean
lol.)
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)Here we go. Here are the standard vaccinations in a US Army military series. The average soldier is given NINETEEN different vaccinations (mostly at once, but some boosters), and none of these jackoffs said a word about them. Presumably because Faux Noise and Fucker Carleson are not constantly harping on them.
How about we ALSO immunize the military against PROPAGANDA, by cutting off Fox News, and reactionary AM Radio? Treat Fox News like they used to treat TOKYO ROSE during WWII.
https://usarmybasic.com/about-the-army/army-shots
Adenovirus types 4 and 7
Measles
Miningococcal (meningitis)
Mumps
Polio
Rubella
Tetanus-diphtheria
Influenza
Yellow Fever
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Japanese B Encephalitis
Typhoid
Cholera
Rabies
Varicella
Small Pox
Anthrax
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)... Moscow Murdoch propaganda.
Good post, by the way!
marie999
(3,334 posts)HAB911
(8,926 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,098 posts)Jeezus, what a piece of work. What a pile of unprofessional garbage. These fuckers still think they're in high school.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)nitpicker
(7,153 posts)nitpicker
(7,153 posts)My mother worked in military clinics, and every year they were shot up too for the flu.
And they STRONGLY encouraged civilians like me to show up for a shot too. ((I usually got it from my FEHB provider.))
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Gee I remember being in line and getting a boat load of vaccines in one day. They had an air gun to administer them. And then the one at the end where you got the big needle in the buttcheek and had to sit on the floor and roll around on it to spread it out or you end up with a golf ball sized painful lump.
Aristus
(66,481 posts)When we were told to line up for vaccines, not only did none of us say out loud "Well, I guess we have to; we took an oath", nobody started bleating about their "rights" or throwing childish tantrums, either. We got immunized because we knew the Army wanted healthy soldiers and, hey! we were getting free health care into the bargain.
Frankly, I can't understand why the whole "Freedom means having absolutely no responsibilities to anyone else, ever" crowd would even want to join the military, in which making sacrifices, large and small, for the greater good comes with the territory.