Did the NY mayoral Democratic primary put to rest the "defund the police" slogan?

[JohnSJ]

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[hlthe2b]

1. The rise in violent crime nationwide is what will have the impact. But the RW will still use it

like a cudgel against us.

[Dorian Gray]

2. I voted "no"

I think it should. I am all for reforming the police departments across the US. But defunding is a losing slogan for a number of reasons. NYC doesn't want that. The communities that voted for Adams spoke loudly about not wanting that. We need to open our ears and listen to communities across our cities and states about what is best for their lives.

Having said that, down ballot, people chose some of the more liberal/progressive candidates, so it will be interesting to see how the Manhattan AG and the city council (both more progressive) work with a more moderate mayor.

[JohnSJ]

3. I think we both agree that needed police reform is not the same thing as defunding the police

[Dorian Gray]

5. Police reform definitely necessary

and some of that reform will take training money.

I would like to see some of the military grade weaponry taken from them in NYC. The militarization of the police makes them into something they're not trained properly to be.

[ChrisF1961]

4. It should be noted

that “defund the police” was never a Democratic Party policy or slogan. Nor did most democratic candidates endorse it. It was a slogan that the gop and corporate media dishonestly accused all democrats of supporting.

[JohnSJ]

8. Absolutely, but it didn't help when Rep. Rashida Tlaib and others in the progressive caucus were

supportive of it.

When you have to explain what you "really" mean, you have already lost the debate.

The media today, especially the television media, is not going to provide context

A perfect example is how the vaccination headline from them was that "Biden failed to meet the vaccination goal". Not that it was 3% short of the goal, and the fact that you cannot force anyone to get a vaccine.

A similar point with the reporting of the U.S. getting out of Afghanistan, that any chaos that follows will be due to the Biden administration, conveniently leaving out the small detail that after 20 years, and the history of Afghanistan, it was never going to end nicely

[ChrisF1961]

10. I blame the media and gop more

They were pushing a falsehood.

And every candidate is responsible for their own race. They shouldn’t be blaming candidates in other districts or states for their loss.

[JohnSJ]

11. Of course, but the reality is that anyone who is in the national spotlight is going to get attention

[ChrisF1961]

13. So what?

Blaming someone in another state or district for your loss is childish and unfair.

Every elected official should represent the concerns and interests of the people who elected them, not what is best for a candidate two states away.

The responsibility for spreading false information about DTP lies with the gop and the corporate media, not with anyone else.

[uponit7771]

19. Didn't matter who was supportive the GQP DTP message was 100% lie that wasn't addressed

[JohnSJ]

21. That was one of the issues in the Democratic NY Mayoral primary

[Funtatlaguy]

6. Our 2022 crime slogan: "Train more cops and Pay cops more".

[JohnSJ]

9. +++. I agree. There is no doubt this is going to be a 2022 issue, and Democrats better take

a pro-active lead on this

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. Throwing more money at cops doesn't mean a decrease in crime. It simply means more cops,

more interactions with cops, and more violent interactions with cops. Which leads to throwing more money at cops, which leads to...

[Funtatlaguy]

20. The hope is that it will attract better cops.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. Derek Chauvin made $90K a year, before overtime, which can double base pay.

How much more do they need?

[JHB]

7. No, because why would FOX & the rest stop with that lie any more than they stop any other?

They don't.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. Activists will continue to work to defund or abolish the police, regardless of who is running or

holds power. If candidates want to use that as a slogan or are tagged with it, that's a separate issue.

[tirebiter]

15. The same activists who just couldn't vote Democrat since 1988

And gave us the Roberts Court?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

16. I don't know of any cop abolitionists who don't vote. They could certainly exist though!

[brooklynite]

17. Only if activists stop advocating for it.

Organizers described the effort to The Associated Press on Monday as a counter to the political power of police unions and a way to continue educating voters about what the "defund" push means. The result, they said, would be a shift in local government budgets and public safety systems around the country.

"We've abided by an era where 'law and order' was this stamp of approval, where law enforcement endorsements somehow signified legitimacy," said Maurice Mitchell, executive director of the Working Families Party, which backs democratic socialists and progressive candidates at all levels of government.

"So we are creating a counterbalance that can create the space for elected officials to do the work that's being demanded from the streets," Mitchell continued, adding that the goal is "divestment from things that aren't working and investment in things that are working."

https://www.businessinsider.com/defund-police-advocates-look-to-forward-cause-through-local-elections-2020-7

[JohnSJ]

18. If candidates use the term "defund the police" in their campaigns, I suspect that will not be looked

on favorably by most of the voting public