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and her parents are sick with it.
sorry but i just can gather up any sympathy......
https://www.rawstory.com/olivia-guidry/
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)She couldn't even save her own, or her parents.
I'm sure if she was still around to watch them suffer and die, she'd say something profound about how mistaken she had been.
Piasladic
(1,160 posts)maybe she's one of those that will say she was fine until the other nurses decided to make her sick.
I do not understand how so many health care workers can be so against a life-saving vaccine.
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)Are you a conspiracy nut?
Piasladic
(1,160 posts)I just meant that anti-vax people are nuts, and who knows what they'll say...even as they die from Covid.
dirtyvu
(1 post)actually, she could've saved herself and her parents if she got vaccinated.
gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)zuul
(14,624 posts)July 12, 2021
Olivia Guidry, a registered nurse in the emergency department at Ochsner Lafayette General, died Saturday after being hospitalized for the coronavirus in the intensive care unit, reported The Advocate.
"Today is a sad day for my ER family and I," her colleague Nick Berthelot posted on Facebook. "Your contagious laugh and smile will truly be missed Liv. Until we meet again sweet girl."
Coronavirus deaths have decreased dramatically in Louisiana since last year, but the state has seen a recent increase that experts blame on its low vaccination rate of 36 percent, compared with about 50 percent nationally, and Guidry questioned their safety on her own social media account.
"This vaccine has been released using recombinant DNA technology faster than any vaccine in the world," Guidry posted on July 26, 2020. "It manipulates your DNA at the tiniest molecular level. Do. Not. Get. It. It's not safe."
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)She transmitted the disease to at least two others. Violated professional ethics.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)And why do so many nurses not learn a damn thing from the prerequisite courses in microbiology and A&P that they're required to take?
LisaL
(44,973 posts)mRNA vaccines use RNA technology, not recombinant DNA technology.
They also don't alter your DNA at the molecular level.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)wnylib
(21,446 posts)and I'm not a nurse. I've only had some high school and college biology. A lot of developments in biology have occurred since then, but my courses gave me a basic enough understanding to follow current developments and how the mRNA vaccines work.
niyad
(113,284 posts)or persuaded not to get the vaccine. And I wonder if the person who wrote that message is one of them.
Midnight Writer
(21,753 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)jpak
(41,757 posts)Yup
Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)Starting with her parents, who may now die as a result. Of course, they weren't vaccinated either, so the apple does not fall too far from the tree.
No loss.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I dont think it means what you want it to.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's a high-risk environment and no place for those who won't protect themselves, and others.
Frankly, I hope her family, union, whatever, sues the hospital, which failed its duty to keep employees safe. NO excuse.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)That they sue the estate of the deceased as well as the hospital. Taking the house will send a message to unvaccinated nurses.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Trying to prove that a certain person infected another certain person is pretty difficult.
Even STD lawsuits, which have a FAR FAR FAR narrower transmission window are rare and difficult. (but not unheard of)
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/sexually-transmitted-diseases-stds-lawsuits.html
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)When you have widespread infections, it can be hard to prove unless you have isolates that can be genetically sequenced.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)Her family are just as anti-vax as she was, so it seems ridiculous they could now place blame on the hospital. Not saying they won't, but it would be ridiculous.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)NT
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in a business is a wired-in attitude of a lot of our conservative friends.
I remember the now-ancient McDonald's suit at a time when near-boiling drive-through coffee caused many injuries. The nationally famous case was when a cup spilled into a woman driver's groin and legs, causing third-degree burns, agonizing pain, and extensive burn-unit stays.
In that era cars did not routinely come with built-in cup holders, and most customers drove off with the cups in their hands. I could not get a Georgia friend to agree that, because McDonalds knew its coffee was dangerous and had caused severe injuries to many people, the company was knowingly selling an unsafe product and was responsible for the injuries -- even if the customers who innocently purchased it were also responsible.
My friend couldn't get it. Either-or. And it was the purchaser, 100%.
My best guess was that that attitude comes from the Bible. God consigns flawed and weak people who sin to eternity in hell, 100% liability on the "customers" heads without excuse, and the beyond-harsh consequences accepted as entirely appropriate. (The alternative would be to criticize god, and McDonalds coffee was nothing to risking the fires of hell.)
Now me, I don't deal people who are to blame a "blame-free" card if someone (usually lower on the socioeconomic pole) is also.
niyad
(113,284 posts)was. And they were not in motion, they were parked. The cup almost exploded on this poor woman. The pictures of the burns were appalling. All she was asking for was for the company to pay her medical bills. Instead, she became the victim of a reichwing smear campaign.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)and it was obvious that the incident hastened an early death.
It was a wonderfully done documentary.
Mosby
(16,306 posts)The fallout from the lawsuit is that McDonald's lowered the temp of the coffee.
niyad
(113,284 posts)negotiations between mcd and Ms. Liebeck. Please do not repeat inaccurate and incomplete information.
brewens
(13,582 posts)slack if she was a long time anti-vaxer, not a FG follower only anti these vaccines.
If she died from it, what chance do her parents have? Of course one or both of them may have been vaccinated. Almost all other nurses would have been vaccinated and tried to have gotten their parents vaccinated too. Too bad about the parents, unless they were COVID denying FG followers. Then as far as I'm concerned, good riddance. If enough of them die, we may have a better chance next pandemic.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)I'll go out on a limb and say they were not vaccinated either. If they end up dying, we'll pretty much know that's the case.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)She is hardly the only nurse not to be vaccinated.
A large number of health care workers remain un-vaccinated.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)erronis
(15,241 posts)rdking647
(5,113 posts)i no longer have any sympathy for them.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)I'm bad.
UpInArms
(51,282 posts)What a dolt a dead dolt.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)Olivia Guidry, a popular 23-year-old Louisiana ER nurse, just died of covid. Social media is filled with an outpouring of grief from friends and family. Guess what they're not talking about?
23 and dead, and totally preventable.
wnylib
(21,446 posts)Celerity
(43,339 posts)Amy Olivia Guidry
October 29, 1996 - July 10, 2021
https://www.guidryfuneralhome.com/obituary/amy-olivia-guidry
Initech
(100,068 posts)And I will do so in bold, all caps, and underline. But this needs to be clear!
IF YOU DO NOT GET THE VACCINE, YOU HAVE ZERO BUSINESS WORKING AT A HOSPITAL. PERIOD. END OF DEBATE.
Argh this drives me freaking crazy.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,254 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)And her death, while tragic, will save lives (paraphrased from my favorite movie)
StarryNite
(9,444 posts)But how many other people did she "shoot" before she died of her bravado and stupidity? How many people who were unable to get the vaccine due to age or other legitimate health issues and are now sick or asymptomatic spreaders?
iemanja
(53,032 posts)If you "don't believe" in basic medical care, you have no business taking care of others.
GB_RN
(2,350 posts)Who are antivaxx or anti-COVID-vaxx. And it blows my mind, but it really shouldnt: There are a lot of conservative nurses, believe it or not, and that political mindset translates over. Then add in Fecesbook and other social media bullshit
Well, you get the idea.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)This is the problem I have when some people say, just let the antivaxxers commit suicide by refusing the vaccine. The trouble is, they'll probably take some innocent people (such as immune-compromised people and kids under 12) with them.
Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)NNadir
(33,515 posts)She apparently posted this gem:
She wasted classroom space.
erronis
(15,241 posts)GB_RN
(2,350 posts)On social media among the religionuts. They claim it will alter the antennae on you DNA that allow god to talk to you, thus keeping you from hearing your favorite deity.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)Like late 20s or early 30s. Louisiana has always been a hot spot for COVID. Per 100,000 they were the highest for most of last year and have hot spots for community spread even today.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Maybe she should get a Darwin award.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)Since that's a demographic that is high risk for community spread and were told they would survive easily
Celerity
(43,339 posts)Amy Olivia Guidry
October 29, 1996 - July 10, 2021
https://www.guidryfuneralhome.com/obituary/amy-olivia-guidry
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)Bmoboy
(267 posts)I would not work in a hospital today.
Especially in a low-vax state like Louisiana.
With an airborne virus, there is no absolute protection. The initial and still convincing info is that infection rate depends on viral load. How much of the virus are you exposed to in an enclosed space for how long.
A 12 hour shift in an ER filled with coughing unvaccinated people in denial is too dangerous for this old man.
And BTW, nurses are as smart or dumb as the rest of the population.
As George Carlin once said - Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
MoreToTheStory
(1 post)This young woman had severe heart issues (coronary artery fistula) that were somewhat of a time bomb waiting to go off with complications. The cause of death has not been determined and the rest is speculation.
https://www.katc.com/news/lafayette-parish/olgh-autopsy-will-determine-cause-nurses-death
(Snip)
Ochsner Lafayette General says that no cause of death has been determined for a nurse who is reported to have died from complications due to COVID-19.
Beyond this...why would she make a tweet about the "release" of a vaccine in July 2020 when the injections hadn't even come up for EUA FDA approval yet.
Something stinks about the rush to crucify this young nurse after her tragic death.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Apparently her brain swelled, she had high fever and a seizure (presumably due to cytokine storm). Her heart issue as far as I can tell was fully investigated and it was determined she didn't need surgery for it. And the fact that she had a heart issue should have been one more reason for her to get vaccinated.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)Her heart issues were impacting her ability to breathe in 2019 (per her facebook page). COVID 19 impacts the heart and ability to breathe.
catbyte
(34,376 posts)And that it's okay for a medical professional with a heart defect to boot, to not get vaccinated?
What's your point?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)who have legitimate reasons to not get it. That's my problem with her.
I know health care workers in both categories and have no patience with the ones advocating no one get the vx.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Shellback Squid
(8,914 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)It's unbelievable.
Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)But, the FDA could help solve at least some of the vaccine hesitancy by moving along full approval of all the vaccines faster than it has. The EUA is what's causing some people to believe the vaccine is "experimental" and leading them not to want to take it.