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catbyte

(34,376 posts)
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 06:27 PM Jul 2021

Nine Juicy Details to Come Out of the Barrage of New Trump Books

[Note: Here are 4 of the vilest and most odious of the 9:]

The three newly released books reveal new details about the 2020 election and Jan. 6 riot.

WRITTEN BY DAMARE BAKER | PUBLISHED ON JULY 13, 2021

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Trump suggested using the pandemic as an excuse for indefinitely postponing the 2020 election. It’s no secret that Trump wanted to delay the election due to his concerns over mail-in voting fraud. However, once that idea didn’t work, he brought up delaying the election because there was “too much virus” and “people can’t get to the polls,” according to Wolff. Fortunately, his then-chief of staff Mark Meadows stepped in to inform him that postponing the election wasn’t a constitutional possibility.

Trump said that he wanted the military to “beat the fuck” out of protesters for racial justice and “to crack their skulls,” Wolff reports. Unlike the rioters at the Capitol, Trump allegedly wanted a violent military response to Black Lives Matter demonstrators following the murder of George Floyd last year. Bender reports that aides pushed back on the order, so Trump softened his stance and request that soldiers “shoot them in the leg — or maybe the foot but be hard on them.”

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Trump allegedly told one of his many White House chief of staffs John Kelly that Adolf Hitler “did a lot of good things.” Bender recounts Kelly’s failed attempts to discourage Trump from praising Hitler, regardless of what economic success Germany may have had under the dictator’s rule. Kelly and Trump deny this anecdote, but it’s not the first time Trump’s alleged interest in the Nazi leader has come up. Over thirty years ago, Trump’s first wife, Ivana, alleged that he kept a copy of Hitler’s speeches by his bed.

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Trump’s notorious remarks before supporters stormed the Capitol were not in the speech that his staff had prepared. In his speech to the mob on January 6, Trump urged his supporters to march to the Capitol three different times, saying “we’re going to walk down to the Capitol.” However, Wolff revealed that the lines were ad-libbed by the former president.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/07/13/nine-juicy-details-to-come-out-of-the-barrage-of-new-trump-books/







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Nine Juicy Details to Come Out of the Barrage of New Trump Books (Original Post) catbyte Jul 2021 OP
The only thing I want to read about TFG is his obituary SoonerPride Jul 2021 #1
++1 live love laugh Jul 2021 #3
That will be highly satisfying Blue Owl Jul 2021 #10
Now this is a ME Too statement Traildogbob Jul 2021 #11
Throw his bloated corpse in the swamp where it came from Blue Owl Jul 2021 #19
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #14
I'll second that title post Bristlecone Jul 2021 #18
Amen to that! I'm done with him! Initech Jul 2021 #22
"due to his concerns over mail-in voter fraud" Skittles Jul 2021 #2
Yea it wasn't voter fraud he was concerned with. It was the polls that said he was going Maraya1969 Jul 2021 #8
Absolutely. BadgerMom Jul 2021 #16
when they phrase it like that they are excusing RACISM Skittles Jul 2021 #17
💯 BadgerMom Jul 2021 #25
Bender was on MSNBC earlier and he said BigmanPigman Jul 2021 #4
He believes it because his malignant narcissism makes him SoonerPride Jul 2021 #5
Trump is an idiot... Caliman73 Jul 2021 #6
That seems to be a fair assessment BigmanPigman Jul 2021 #9
A significant philosophical situation but with serious real world consquences. Caliman73 Jul 2021 #12
Excellent assessment of TFG. smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #15
Agreed. Even though tRump became prez, he is still worthless. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #20
I do wonder though, sometimes he doesn't believe Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #30
I think that it is part of his being a sociopath. Caliman73 Jul 2021 #31
Haven't seen much written about the difference between Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #33
Posting again from another thread a perfect summary underpants Jul 2021 #7
Lol. Treefrog Jul 2021 #13
Heard what? Kingofalldems Jul 2021 #27
On that "Hitler" quote: Hitler's Circle of Evil now on Netflix. Highly recommended. joetheman Jul 2021 #21
where is Washingtonian's editor? Grasswire2 Jul 2021 #23
Good thing you're not a pendant SoonerPride Jul 2021 #24
yep nt Grasswire2 Jul 2021 #26
Thank you. K and R oasis Jul 2021 #28
Trump did not have "concerns" about mail-in voting fraud Martin Eden Jul 2021 #29
I'm reading the Michael Wolff one and not far into it maryellen99 Jul 2021 #32

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
1. The only thing I want to read about TFG is his obituary
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 06:29 PM
Jul 2021

All these juicy revelations neither surprise me or encourage me.

People at the time should have had a spine and told him to shut the fuck up. I guess Gen. Milley did.

But not enough people have a spine.

That’s very depressing.

Traildogbob

(8,726 posts)
11. Now this is a ME Too statement
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 07:43 PM
Jul 2021

I will laugh and party hard that day. As long as the motherfucker is buried in Florida. Keep him the hell out of federal sites where we bury people.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
2. "due to his concerns over mail-in voter fraud"
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 06:30 PM
Jul 2021

oh bull fucking SHIT, he was afraid of them making it easier for BROWN PEOPLE to vote during the pandemic

FUCKING COWARD

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
8. Yea it wasn't voter fraud he was concerned with. It was the polls that said he was going
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 07:02 PM
Jul 2021

to lose that he was concerned with. That's why he started last August saying that the election was going to be fraudulent. He knew he was going to lose so he was setting up the Big Lie from way back then.

BigmanPigman

(51,587 posts)
4. Bender was on MSNBC earlier and he said
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 06:34 PM
Jul 2021

that he is not sure if tRump is crazy and delusional, believing all the BS coming out of his mouth or well aware of what he says and does and what the reactions to him will be.

I have been asking this for 5 years...Does he really believe the ridiculous nonsense he spews or is he conning us like a carnival barker?

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
5. He believes it because his malignant narcissism makes him
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 06:41 PM
Jul 2021

Incapable of conceiving of losing.

His mind just makes up whatever reality it has to to protect him ego from failure.

So yeah he believes it and is truly delusional.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
6. Trump is an idiot...
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 06:47 PM
Jul 2021

But like any sociopath, he is able to read emotional cues and respond accordingly. Many con men are not necessarily intelligent in an academic sense but because they rely on reading people, and they have no qualms about using unethical and illegal means for getting what they want, they can be quite effective at luring people in (even smart ones) and taking from them.

Trump is not crazy. Delusional means that you believe things that are not true despite evidence to the contrary. Being delusional is a problem but it doesn't mean that you are "crazy" as in, not in control of your mental faculties. Trump may simply give in to his delusional process as a way of comforting himself. Trump is typically running away from failure, not running toward success. He is self aggrandizing, but what he likely does not believe is all the bullshit about him being the "smartest: and "best" and all the other crap he says to pump himself up. He has an endless void that he cannot fill up. His parents likely made him feel worthless and this (what we see him doing) are his defense mechanisms against that worthless feeling.


He is only conning his blind followers. The rest of us see through his bullshit. The problem is we have very limited power to do anything about it.

BigmanPigman

(51,587 posts)
9. That seems to be a fair assessment
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 07:11 PM
Jul 2021

Not crazy but delusional. It is VERY frustrating not being able to stop him from spreading his BS as well as not able to get through to the blind GQP sheep.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
12. A significant philosophical situation but with serious real world consquences.
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 08:11 PM
Jul 2021

This strikes at the whole notion of Truth and fact. It strikes at the First Amendment and the reporting of news.

Right wingers have done a major number on the media in their bid to hold on to power with their decreasing numbers.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
30. I do wonder though, sometimes he doesn't believe
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 10:35 AM
Jul 2021

what he's saying is true and he's just saying it because he knows that's how he can win somebody over. Not sure what you call this charlatan? I think you saw this more earlier and gradually the delusion took over. Perhaps it was so many years of misrepresenting the truth that eventually paid the toll on him?.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
31. I think that it is part of his being a sociopath.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:43 AM
Jul 2021

Sociopaths can sometimes blur the distinction between truth and lie, and will use both to gain an advantage over their victim. I do think that there is a part of Trump that is so fragile that he cannot bear to accept any truth about his many failures. He may have incorporated his own lies about his superiority into his belief system and maybe now, cannot distinguish that reality on an intellectual level, though he likely still feels it emotionally.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
33. Haven't seen much written about the difference between
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 01:52 PM
Jul 2021

his life as a businessman and his life as president. Great documentary on Netflix about his business years. He was described as the best self promoter they had ever seen. He lived in a surreal world. Many many years of winning even when he'd bankrupt. A gold laden penthouse where he only had to take an elevator down to his office for decades. Never really experiencing real life. " How perfect I must be! Look at what I have and I really haven't really tried. Sure, I can do president. " See that as delusional right there.

underpants

(182,788 posts)
7. Posting again from another thread a perfect summary
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 06:52 PM
Jul 2021

From Chris Cilliza no less
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016296924

This is, in sum, a man deeply unfit for the presidency. (That is not a partisan statement. It is a statement of fact based on the clear portrait we have of how Trump behaved while in the most powerful office in the country.) A man who, by his inability to understand the sanctity of the office he held, threatened to destroy that sanctity for those who would follow him into the White House. And a man who was, without any question, an active danger for every single American -- whether they supported or opposed him.

THAT needs to be the takeaway from these books. THAT is the forest through the trees. And THAT is the truth that voters needs to hear if and when Trump tries to reclaim the presidency in 2024.

Kingofalldems

(38,452 posts)
27. Heard what?
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 10:52 PM
Jul 2021

She wasn't around when much of this happened, like when Trump was accessory to murder on Jan. 6. So I don't understand you post. What exactly are you saying?

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
21. On that "Hitler" quote: Hitler's Circle of Evil now on Netflix. Highly recommended.
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:40 PM
Jul 2021

We are witnessing the revival of the circle of evil. You can almost match Trump's circle with every one of them.

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
23. where is Washingtonian's editor?
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 10:25 PM
Jul 2021

One doesn't "cause a riff" between others.

A "riff" is a musical phrase.

One causes a "rift" between others.

Yes, I'm a pedant.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
24. Good thing you're not a pendant
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 10:39 PM
Jul 2021

Stuff like poor proofreading bugs me too.

I don’t mind message board and Twitter errors but stuff that people are paid to write should be better.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
29. Trump did not have "concerns" about mail-in voting fraud
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 06:11 AM
Jul 2021

"Concerns" implies an honest assessment that the system was prone to widespread fraud.

No.

What TFG had were baseless lies in an effort to sow doubt about the legitimacy of the election so he could claim it was "rigged" if it didn't go his way.

maryellen99

(3,788 posts)
32. I'm reading the Michael Wolff one and not far into it
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:47 AM
Jul 2021

Trump actually believed that if he went on the attack against Biden and weakened him,Dems would’ve replaced him with Cuomo and that Cuomo would’ve had Michelle Obama as his running mate.

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