"There was slavery going on but itself was not initially a racist thing it never was about race..."

[Nevilledog]

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Fox Guest: "There was slavery going on but itself was not initially a racist thing it never was about race... It never was a race thing so why are we making it a race thing now?"


1:09 PM · Jul 13, 2021

[brush]

1. Who's paying him? How embarrasing for him and he doesn't even know it.

[Nevilledog]

4. Oh, he knows. He's a conservative radio host. Calls himself Candace Owens' brother.

[brush]

6. I haven't seen him before. So he knows what he says is garbage and pockets the money willingly.

[Nevilledog]

8. Yup

[Murphyb849]

2. Yeah the white slaves on the plantation were treated just the same by their masters.

[2naSalit]

3. Yikes.

Where does one start with that?

[brewens]

5. It really probably wasn't right at first. A couple of the earliest and most dangerous slave revolts

had white indentured servants and African slaves working together. They hadn't taught them to hate each other yet. They fixed that by making the white servants bosses. "Never about race" is bullshit. They made it about race.

[iemanja]

12. Slavery emerged as a racialized institution in Virginia

throughout the 1600s. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/narrative.html

Any period of white indentured servants working along side African slaves was very brief.


Virginians made it illegal for blacks to hold indenture contracts over whites, and by the end of the century they had created an institution of permanent slavery (as opposed to indenture) explicitly and legally tied to blackness.

The Fox guest is lying.

Enslavement of Africans of course already existed elsewhere in the Americas in the 1500s. The Portuguese had unsuccessfully tried to enslave Indians, so they turned to Africans. The Spanish had a forced labor system for Indians (not technically slavery) but also subjugated Africans to slavery. It was the transatlantic slave trade that made slavery about race. Forms of slavery before that were very different and less brutal.

Then there is the fact that the first Africans brought to Virginia came on slave ships. Their legal status was initially that of indentured servants, but it was against their will.

[brush]

13. Yes, in some places enslaved people and indentured servants were even marrying.

Willie Lynch with his control lessons taught enslavers what to do to put a stop to all of that...just diabolical stuff.

[Willie Lynch's Speech of 1712.
An excerpt from The Bible of Success.
All rights are reserved.]
The Chess Game of Willie Lynch

"Gentlemen, I greet you here on the bank of the James River in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and twelve. First, I shall thank you, the gentlemen of the Colony of Virginia, for bringing me here. I am here to help you solve some of your problems with slaves. Your invitation reached me on my modest plantation in the West Indies, where I have experimented with some of the newest and still oldest methods of control of slaves. Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=trp&hsimp=yhs-001&grd=1&type=Y61_F1_148993_102720&p=willie+lynck

[KentuckyWoman]

7. What the what?

I honestly cannot even comprehend where to even begin.

I really think the next question should be what number does purple smell like in February. Maybe that will help it make better sense.

[jmbar2]

9. In a way he's right, but he's twisting the facts

Most ancient societies had slavery. Greece, Rome Egypt, Britain -- even in the Bible. They were usually people conquered in war, the very poor, or hereditary/caste-based slavery.

European and American slavery from the 1600s was completely race-based. Only blacks were abducted for permanent, multigenerational slavery.

There was also indentured servitude, but there was usually an end period to that servitude.

[Retrograde]

17. Native Americans were occasionally enslaved

but they had the same problem that White indentured servants did - they could run away, and in a time before mass media, have a chance of blending in with the people living a hundred miles away or so. So decreeing hereditary slavery based on outward appearance became the norm. This eventually led to the one-drop rule, where any Black ancestry made you Black, no matter what you looked like. Thomas Jefferson's children by Sally Hemings were 7/8 European by ancestry, but they still counted as Black and were still born enslaved.

[jmbar2]

18. I never thought about the Native Americans being caught up in slavery

Thanks for enlightening me.

[Retrograde]

23. It seemed to have mostly been a Spanish thing

It didn't last long, since most Native Americans had no immunity to European diseases. That was one reason for the trans-Atlantic slave trade: Africans had longer contact with Europeans and had better immunity. Read a bit about Bartalomeo de las Casas for some background. The Spanish in the New World had their faults (peonage on large estates, for one) but they didn't seem as invested in slavery because of race as the English were.

[tishaLA]

10. Could be a Chappelle Show bit nt

[uponit7771]

25. +1, he'd already be divorcing himself for being a black person

[Hugh_Lebowski]

11. I suppose he's kinda right, back then it wasn't about race ... it was about thinking blacks were

a different, and inferior, species of animal from white folks.

So technically, yeah, it wasn't 'initially a racist thing', rather, it was a 'blacks are subhuman therefore it's fair if we enslave them, consider them 'property', and otherwise treat them as we'd treat a horse or a dog' thing.

Which is *totally* different from 'racism', and a distinction worthy of making bones about now

[iemanja]

14. American slavery was always about race

as was transatlantic slavery in general. The Fox guy is speaking as though American slavery wasn't racially based, which is a lie.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

16. Of course it was about race ... I'm just saying it was even worse than that, because the

widely-used justification of 'why it was okay' ... was that 'the negro race' was actually a subhuman species, therefore nothing higher than chattel.

It wasn't just 'racist' or 'about race', it was worse.

[Retrograde]

15. Is he talking about Roman times?

Or some other ancient culture? Because one of the innovations the British colonists in the Americas made was introducing the concept of race-based slavery, along with the concept that one inherited one's free or slave status from one's mother. That is, you're born into slavery, and after several states passed laws forbidding the freeing of slaves, you're stuck in it.

True, if you poke around enough you'll find isolated cases of black males being born to free white women and therefore free (the book, "Girl in Black and White" has details of one case) but they're the exception rather than the rule.

[stillcool]

19. really hard to interpret that language

the words as they appear on the page don't compute

[The Magistrate]

20. Black Skin, Ma'am, Was A Convenient Marker

A rebel out of Scotland or a transported felon from London could, if he or she got out of the owner's sight, quite easily pass for free --- they'd look like everybody else.

Black skin stood out at some distance. You might not know whose he or she was, but you could be sure somebody owned them.

[BootinUp]

21. What's happening to human brains? Nt

[marmar]

22. Fox News will always find black guests who bolster their racist/white supremacist propaganda.

[Caliman73]

24. This guy is known on You Tube. He's a conservative radio host.

He is tight with Candace Owens, has done work with her, and was that "concerned father" who went to an Illinois school board meeting and was repeating that same bullshit.

Whenever you see a Black person (minus Juan Williams) on Fox and not on any mainstream media outlet, you know that they are schilling for the White man.

[uponit7771]

26. +1, there will always be collaborators

[Marrah_Goodman]

27. When I see guys like this I wonder...

Are they being paid or are they just that desperate to be liked?