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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 09:49 AM Jul 2021

Just how greedy do you have to be?

One of these is a real gun, the other is not. Which is real?





If you guessed the second black picture you were wrong. Makes no difference really as both have caused the deaths of children and adults.

Gun manufacturers license their names, designs, and specifications to toy makers and collect fees for their use. More than 150 people (adult and child, remember Tamir Rice) have been killed by police while holding one of these replica guns. Of course, toy maker's aren't innocent either. I guess everyone wants to get in on making a buck off our insane gun culture.

On the other hand gun makers have co-opted major toy makers' brands. The brightly colored 'LEGO' gun is REAL, a custom covered Glock offered by a Utah company for anywhere from $550 to $750. From the company's website, “We have been building guns out of blocks for the last 30 years and wanted to flip the script to aggravate Mom.” Even after considerable backlash over the product it took a cease & desist order from LEGO to stop the sales.

As an aside, out of curiosity I bought the product shown in the second picture. Cost about $40. It is made of metal, has the same weight as the real Beretta and the slide kicks back when the trigger is pulled just like the gun it is patterned after. It fired standard BBs at about 400 feet per second, not fast enough to break the skin. I turned it in to the local Chief of police for use in training. I told him I was giving it to him because a number of kids had been shot by police while playing with one of them. His response? "Oh my God, if somebody brandished this I'd shoot 'em for sure."

There is no depth to which the gun industry won't go and no responsibility they won't shirk to make a buck.

Gunners accuse me of wanting to start a culture war. I say ya' goddam right I do, some cultures need to die so some people don't.

What is wrong with us?
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Just how greedy do you have to be? (Original Post) AndyS Jul 2021 OP
Mom is going to be real aggravated when she gets shot by her toddler Walleye Jul 2021 #1
Right? WTF kind of statement is that? JFC. LymphocyteLover Jul 2021 #23
"what is wrong with us?" NewHendoLib Jul 2021 #2
Each day we become dumber than the day before. Pepsidog Jul 2021 #3
Done a little investigative journalism...... KS Toronado Jul 2021 #4
Is that a toy gun that looks like a real gun or twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #5
What is wrong with them? n/t Harker Jul 2021 #6
They get kids killed? Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #41
I meant that I'm not one of "them", and reject the use of "us" in the OP. Harker Jul 2021 #42
But wait, there's more.... twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #7
That thing is only 3 inches. secondwind Jul 2021 #13
There are full sized ones. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #19
And this..... twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #34
She said. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #27
So if you had your way, you'd ban every single toy gun as well? ansible Jul 2021 #8
Really? That's all ya' got? AndyS Jul 2021 #29
You didn't need to be so polite in your response twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #35
A knee jerk reaction to a (perceived) knee jerk reaction. AndyS Jul 2021 #37
Yep twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #39
Airsoft "guns" are toys. BB and pellet guns are not. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #46
Like the airsoft guns the replica bb guns are not lethal, not designed to be lethal and cannot be AndyS Jul 2021 #49
The gun nuts who claim they "back the blue"... Mister Ed Jul 2021 #9
"Some cultures need to die.." hay rick Jul 2021 #10
3-2-1 wait until we hear the story in the news of a child finding that gun and shooting someone kimbutgar Jul 2021 #11
They stopped selling this kit within days of its announcement. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #12
And your point is? Please proceed . . . AndyS Jul 2021 #21
My point is that given the undoubtedly tiny amount of such guns sold (if any), that the poster to Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #24
Ah, so you do realize that there was that possibility. What the heck, why worry about only one AndyS Jul 2021 #26
The poster seems to think that a child will almost certainly shoot someone with this "Lego gun" any Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #45
Well, between 40 and 50 toddlers under 4 years old shoot themselves or others every year. AndyS Jul 2021 #47
Given that the gun in question was only for sale for a few days and was made by a small custom Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #55
Hmmm, virtually nil. Not nil but close to nil. I ask again, if 40-50 toddlers shoot themselves AndyS Jul 2021 #57
I think it will likely be nil, although there's no way to know short of such an incident actually Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #59
You can buy the LEGO plastic by the sheet TexasBushwhacker Jul 2021 #15
I was going to say something about "shooting your eye out". AndyS Jul 2021 #18
A child would want to play with that. 'It's a toy.' keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #14
BB guns have looked like real guns for many decades. Kaleva Jul 2021 #16
Men have been beating their wives for even longer so AndyS Jul 2021 #20
Do you have anything useful at all Disaffected Jul 2021 #36
Right back at'cha AndyS Jul 2021 #38
An analogy that doesn't work. Kaleva Jul 2021 #50
I don't understand what you're talking about 🤷‍♂️ AndyS Jul 2021 #51
I just edited my post. Read it again. Kaleva Jul 2021 #52
Oh! I get it now! two or three dozen people aren't enough to care about is that it? AndyS Jul 2021 #53
You agree then that your analogy doesn't work? Kaleva Jul 2021 #54
Actually you missed the point entirely so I'll try to explain it to you. AndyS Jul 2021 #58
Air pistols such as the Daisy pictured above serve a very practical purpose. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #17
I invite you to extoll those virtues to the parents of Tamir Rice or AndyS Jul 2021 #25
I would no more do so than I would extol the virtues of a particular alcoholic beverage to a parent Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #44
I will let the other readers decide that for themselves. Again, thanks for your post. AndyS Jul 2021 #48
Decide what, exactly? Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #56
Hands down, one of the best posts I've ever read. Thank you! n/t slumcamper Jul 2021 #22
Absolutely one of the most eye opening post that I've seen at DU. trickyguy Jul 2021 #28
I've seen cell phone cases made to look like a gun. alphafemale Jul 2021 #30
The goal must be to have more children killed by cops iemanja Jul 2021 #31
O. M. G. calimary Jul 2021 #32
I'm waiting for the "Lincoln Logs" wrapper for an RPG Layzeebeaver Jul 2021 #33
What Is Wrong With US?!?!? h2ebits Jul 2021 #40
My dear h2, you've a better handle on the topic than most of us. AndyS Jul 2021 #43

KS Toronado

(17,819 posts)
4. Done a little investigative journalism......
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 10:55 AM
Jul 2021

Company no longer sells kits to make your Glock look like a lego toy after drawing some negative attention.
Wouldn't surprise me if they still sell these "under the table"

twodogsbarking

(10,297 posts)
5. Is that a toy gun that looks like a real gun or
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 10:58 AM
Jul 2021

a real gun that looks like a toy gun or a real gun that looks like a real gun or a toy gun that looks like a toy gun. You have one-tenth of a second to decide.

Harker

(14,277 posts)
42. I meant that I'm not one of "them", and reject the use of "us" in the OP.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:35 PM
Jul 2021

I'm glad you pointed out my ambiguity!

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
29. Really? That's all ya' got?
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 12:38 PM
Jul 2021

There is a possibility that legislation will require toy guns to be distinctly visibly different from real ones to prevent the tragedy for police shooting people holding not-real guns. Right now the airsoft guns must have an orange marker on the tip of the barrel but other toys do not.

So, lets say that safety legislation gets passed. Then some money grubbing company sells the Block19 pictured above. How in hell is an officer supposed to know shoot/don't shoot?

No, just want guns to look like guns and toys to look like toys.

Is that too much to ask to save 150 lives?

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
37. A knee jerk reaction to a (perceived) knee jerk reaction.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 01:18 PM
Jul 2021

Any time anyone discusses a gun issue the opposition generally goes to 'so you want to ban all guns' or 'you're gonna' take our guns away'. Apologies if I misunderstood.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
46. Airsoft "guns" are toys. BB and pellet guns are not.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:06 PM
Jul 2021

This is why BB and bellet guns are not required to have the orange tip that airsoft "guns" do.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
49. Like the airsoft guns the replica bb guns are not lethal, not designed to be lethal and cannot be
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:38 PM
Jul 2021

made lethal. In that respect the two are the same and should be treated as such. Canada is banning air soft replica guns in favor of easily identifiable product. I favor that for both non lethal air guns and air soft.

It isn't legal for anyone under the age of 18 to buy an air gun or air soft gun. However there is no age restriction for possession or use of air soft.

There are air guns that are lethal. I own one of those. It should be treated no differently than any other gun, explosively powered or otherwise. However, although it fires a .22 pellet at 900 fps and can easily kill an adult human it does not require a background check and neither do black powder guns. Both should.

I'm saying that there needs to be more regulation of all guns, period.

Mister Ed

(5,988 posts)
9. The gun nuts who claim they "back the blue"...
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:03 AM
Jul 2021

...are making things much, much more difficult and dangerous for police officers. This is only one example.

hay rick

(7,778 posts)
10. "Some cultures need to die.."
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:21 AM
Jul 2021

Damn Skippy. Major portions of right-wing culture that have been assimilated by mainstream culture are pathogens for a humane and rational society. Worshipping the Second Amendment, proclaiming that life begins at conception and abortion is murder, corporations having extraordinary free speech rights, etc.

kimbutgar

(21,455 posts)
11. 3-2-1 wait until we hear the story in the news of a child finding that gun and shooting someone
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:34 AM
Jul 2021

Or themselves. This gun manufacturer needs to be sued out of business after that.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
12. They stopped selling this kit within days of its announcement.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jul 2021

I would also point out that the market for a Glock that looks like it's made of Legos is extraordinarily small. I'd be surprised if they had sold more than a handful.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
24. My point is that given the undoubtedly tiny amount of such guns sold (if any), that the poster to
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 12:20 PM
Jul 2021

whom I replied needn't be overly concerned as to the likelihood of children shooting people with this particular (and rather silly) gun.

Was that not obvious?

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
26. Ah, so you do realize that there was that possibility. What the heck, why worry about only one
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jul 2021

or two kids. We can make more . . .

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
45. The poster seems to think that a child will almost certainly shoot someone with this "Lego gun" any
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:00 PM
Jul 2021

time now. I simply pointed out why this is unlikely.

Was I incorrect? If so, please explain why.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
47. Well, between 40 and 50 toddlers under 4 years old shoot themselves or others every year.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:09 PM
Jul 2021

So if we introduce a gun that looks like a LEGO toy do you thing it might make this more or less likely?

But as I said, who really cares as long as guns aren't hurt 'cause we can always make more kids.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
55. Given that the gun in question was only for sale for a few days and was made by a small custom
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:35 PM
Jul 2021

shop, the impact of Lego Glocks upon the number of toddlers shooting someone will be virtually nil.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
57. Hmmm, virtually nil. Not nil but close to nil. I ask again, if 40-50 toddlers shoot themselves
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 06:46 PM
Jul 2021

or others every year is a product like this likely to increase or decrease that number. But like I said, kids don't seem to matter 'cause we can just make more.

Keep posting, you're making a great case for gunners' humanity.

Fun fact! Most toddler injuries are to themselves because their index fingers aren't strong enough to pull the trigger so they use their thumbs which points the gun at their chest and face.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
59. I think it will likely be nil, although there's no way to know short of such an incident actually
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:13 PM
Jul 2021

occuring. As for your question, given the miniscule number of these firearms which have been sold, I don't think it will likely increase or decrease the number in any way whatsoever.






TexasBushwhacker

(20,341 posts)
15. You can buy the LEGO plastic by the sheet
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:53 AM
Jul 2021

People use it to make play tables. They call it "baseplate". So anyone could cover their own Glock. Of course, they couldn't put the LEGO logo on it.

As for the BB gun shooting at "only" 400 ft per second, it may not be enough to break the skin, but it is enough to blind someone's eye. That happened to a neighborhood friend when I was a kid.

Kaleva

(36,558 posts)
50. An analogy that doesn't work.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 04:43 PM
Jul 2021

Men beating their wives has caused great harm since the first incident. BB guns that look very much like real gun have been around for decades but it's only been rather recently when there' has been an increase in the number of folks wielding a BB or pellet gun and killed police.

"At least 28 people holding BB or pellet guns were killed by police in US in 2015"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/29/28-people-killed-bb-pellet-guns-police-tamir-rice

In comparison, about 3 times that many unarmed people were shot by police that year:

"In 2015, the first year The Post tallied these numbers, officers killed 94 unarmed people, the largest group among them black men: 38."

https://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigation/police-shoot-kill-nearly-1000-yearly/

Looking at other years, it appears that about 2 to 3 dozen or so people with a bb or pellet gun are shot by police each year.

Considering the millions of BB and pellet guns out there, the odds of being shot by police while carrying one is pretty much zero.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
51. I don't understand what you're talking about 🤷‍♂️
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 04:49 PM
Jul 2021

I think the analogy holds just fine.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
53. Oh! I get it now! two or three dozen people aren't enough to care about is that it?
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 04:58 PM
Jul 2021

Please proceed indeed!

It is inconceivable to me that gunners just don't know how to stop digging when they're in hole.

As I said to Hero, thank you for your post and letting DU know how important human life is to you.

Kaleva

(36,558 posts)
54. You agree then that your analogy doesn't work?
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:09 PM
Jul 2021

You equated having a BB gun that looks like a real gun to men beating their wives. While spousal abuse is wrong and causes severe damage each and every time it happens, carrying a BB or pellet gun is extremely unlikely to result in death of the one carrying it.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
58. Actually you missed the point entirely so I'll try to explain it to you.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 06:57 PM
Jul 2021

BB guns have looked like real guns for a long time, the inference is that everybody should know they aren't real, hence it's the victim's problem.

Men have been beating women for a long time too, so women should know better and it's the victim's fault. Same reasoning. Both wrong.

You missed that in the convoluted attempt to distract from the issue in the OP but gunners do that a lot. I'm used to it.

Meanwhile in your attempt to obfuscate and deflect you admit that you really don't care if a few dozen people a year die because of the similarity. It's only a few dozen dead people and no guns were harmed.

Please keep posting and showing the rest of DU what gunners are really like.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
17. Air pistols such as the Daisy pictured above serve a very practical purpose.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 12:07 PM
Jul 2021

They provide very inexpensive practice. If the airgun in question is close in appearance, controls, weight, etc, to a "real" counterpart, all the better, as the skills gained by using it will (to a degree) transfer over.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
44. I would no more do so than I would extol the virtues of a particular alcoholic beverage to a parent
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:56 PM
Jul 2021

whose child was killed by a drunk driver....in spite of the fact that I'm firmly in favor alcohol being legal.

And thank you so much for posting this. It gives the rest of DU an idea of just how much gun people give a shit about human life.


Pointing out the (quite factual) benefits of a BB gun = not giving a shit about human life?


trickyguy

(769 posts)
28. Absolutely one of the most eye opening post that I've seen at DU.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jul 2021

Aren't toys supposed to look like toys- not guns?

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
30. I've seen cell phone cases made to look like a gun.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 12:38 PM
Jul 2021

Might as well just say "Shoot me."

Google image search will pull it up.

iemanja

(53,173 posts)
31. The goal must be to have more children killed by cops
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 12:39 PM
Jul 2021

Gun manufacturers are just plain evil.

Excellent post.

h2ebits

(656 posts)
40. What Is Wrong With US?!?!?
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:16 PM
Jul 2021

Many years ago and after I was divorced from him, my ex-husband thought it would be cool to get my oldest son (I have three sons) a BB gun--rifle--maybe air gun, I don't know the difference--for his birthday.

I was angry but after his initial excitement, my son put the gun away in a closet and that was the end of it--or so I thought. . . .

A few years later, I came home from work to be greeted by my oldest son showing me his leg and asking me to remove a BB that had penetrated the skin and created a furrow. I immediately took him to the Dr.'s office to remove the BB. After a considerable wait to be called in and remove the BB, I was asked to stay until the police arrived. Seems that in Adams County, Colorado, it is/was considered to be a gun shot wound and the Dr.'s office had to report it. I told them that they had my address, which was only a few blocks away, and to send the Police Officer to my house when he finally showed up because I needed to make dinner for my family and it was getting late. When the officer arrived, I handed him the rifle and told him I never wanted to see it again. He said that he would put it in the trunk of his squad car and bring it back after a couple of days when the situation had cooled down. I adamantly told him "NO" I didn't want that gun in my house so away it went. Queue the anger from this son. . . .

Fast forward. . . .My youngest son enlisted in the Army ostensibly for the GI Bill to enable himself to go to college. It seemed like a peaceful time and he was adamant about enlisting. He was eventually stationed in Germany where he was then sent to Macedonia for a short period followed by a return to Germany and then became part of the initial group of military sent to Bosnia. He came home aggressive, on high alert, and with a gun. He said that he needed it for protection and to take care of his family--here in the United States. Eventually, he got married and now has two children. When I asked about the gun around his two bitsy children, he told me that it was safely hidden away in the attic. At this point, I told him that from experience I could say with certainty that when his children got older, they would know the inside of the house better than he did so there really was no safe place in the house. Eventually he thought this through (probably with the help of his wife) and then gave the gun to his father--my ex-husband--because "he likes guns so he can add it to his collection."

Finally, let me add that Russia gave up on Afghanistan many years prior to our involvement. Trump tried to negotiate with the Taliban for a cease fire and removal of our troops, which bound us into a not good deal. And Biden is following through by removing our troops to end this forever war that has been going on for 20+ years. Today I read that George W. Bush--remember him--the president that lied us into the Iraq war--is soundly criticizing Biden for our troop withdrawal.

Rather than continue with the anecdotes, my point is to agree with you but add that it is not just a cultural war. Our society has been malformed for the past century into becoming more and more a warmonger country led on by politicians and the wealthy for their own greed and power. We are just fodder and, we are training succeeding generations to become fodder also. Each and every one of us is responsible for the mess that we are currently in and it is not just the NRA but, in fact, our government--the people that we have voted into office.

IMO, This is What's Wrong with US--all of us.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
43. My dear h2, you've a better handle on the topic than most of us.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:48 PM
Jul 2021

I agree on so much of what your post has in it.

I've been mulling an OP on the forever war but that's for another time. I remember that in 1970 I sketched the bones of a short story with that title. I was in the army at the time stationed in Ft Lee, VA which was a holding pen for those going to or returning from Vietnam which had been going on for ten years. Seems like we never learn . . .

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