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Thu Jul 15, 2021, 03:31 PM

I bet the industry is more concerned about discovery . . . than it is about losing . . .

There is reason for hope in the fight against the gun industry and gun culture but it takes an achingly long time to see progress.

We all remember Sandy Hook. In 2014 they filed a lawsuit against Remington. It bounced from appeals court to appeals court until the Connecticut Supreme court ruled it can proceed. Seven years in the making.

In 2019 a San Diego Synagogue sued Smith and Wesson after one of their products was used to kill one and wound three in a shooting. This year courts ruled that the suit can proceed. Three years in the making.

However, the lawsuit that has gun makers shaking in their collective boots is Gary Indiana vs Glock, Smith & Wesson, and Beretta. The Gary suit alleges that the nation’s largest handgun manufacturers have turned a blind eye to the diversion of guns into the criminal market. They are seeking 25 years of marketing and sales information. The suit is now poised to move to discovery. In September a judge will decide if the manufacturers have to turn over that 25 years of communications, marketing strategy and information on gun trafficking.

“I bet the industry is more concerned about what might turn up in discovery than it is about losing the case in the long run,” said Adam Winkler, a professor of constitutional law at the University of California, Los Angeles, and the author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America. “They’re fearful of the example of Big Tobacco, which wasn’t brought down by lawsuits for defective products, but rather by the reputational hit from tremendous amounts of discovery information that showed tobacco-makers were hiding evidence of the dangers of cigarettes.”
22 years in the making.

The gears of justice grind painfully slowly but there is a possibility that the entire gun industry will soon be ground between them.

Sandy hook families vs Remington 2014
https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/gun-industry-lawsuit-re-sandy-hook-shooting-in-usa/

San Diego synagogue shooting 2019
https://apnews.com/article/business-religion-shootings-california-ca-state-wire-7cbfe50bf65d3e09a420768c4e46e982

Gary Indiana vs gun makers 1999
https://www.thetrace.org/2021/07/glock-smith-wesson-beretta-sued-indiana-plcaa-documents/

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Reply I bet the industry is more concerned about discovery . . . than it is about losing . . . (Original post)
AndyS Jul 2021 OP
Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #1
elleng Jul 2021 #2
sanatanadharma Jul 2021 #3
Initech Jul 2021 #4
CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2021 #5
ShazzieB Jul 2021 #6
dlk Jul 2021 #7
PoliWrangler Jul 2021 #8
Ruby the Liberal Jul 2021 #9
colsohlibgal Jul 2021 #10
AndyS Jul 2021 #11
lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #12
Amishman Jul 2021 #13

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Thu Jul 15, 2021, 03:33 PM

1. K & R...for visibility...nt

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jul 15, 2021, 03:40 PM

2. Let me say it once again!!!

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jul 15, 2021, 03:42 PM

3. K & R for sensibility

Every Oxycontin or Fentanyl pill was created to do good and be used right; just like guns.

some kind of emoji here for some others



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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jul 15, 2021, 03:43 PM

4. Fuck guns and fuck the NRA!

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Thu Jul 15, 2021, 03:44 PM

5. A big, fat K&R!

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Thu Jul 15, 2021, 04:18 PM

6. K & R!

That last one reminds me of when Big Tobacco had to turn over all those internal memos and stuff that proved they had known about the dangers of smoking for years and still continued to promote cigarettes AND recruit new young smokers, knowing the whole time that they were killing people.

This could be VERY VERY interesting!

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jul 15, 2021, 04:20 PM

7. That why the gun lobby came up with PLCAA

They learned learned from the tobacco industry litigation. You’re right, it’s the discovery and the resulting judgments.

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Thu Jul 15, 2021, 06:23 PM

8. K&R nt

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jul 15, 2021, 06:31 PM

9. Sounds like some interesting PR strategies may be about to see sunlight

Can you just imagine the back and forth in email between this trio and the NRA in the wake of all the mass homicide events since Columbine?

That might be some fun reading.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Fri Jul 16, 2021, 10:10 AM

10. Gun Culture Baffles Me

I will never comprehend it.

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Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 16, 2021, 10:17 AM

11. It is more than just culture, it's religion.

Faith cannot be defended nor defeated by logic and reason.

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Fri Jul 16, 2021, 10:28 AM

12. Uh-oh! This could really sting!



Looking forward to posts from DU's small population of gun nuts.

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Fri Jul 16, 2021, 10:54 AM

13. Promising, but I wonder if this is much too late with the rise in ghost guns and self builds

The gun industry seems to be decentralizing on its own already, particularly with the rise in use of home built guns with criminals.

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