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turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:14 AM Jul 2021

A Supreme Court ruling that's right out of the 19th century

By Joe Maniscalco, DC Report @ Raw Story
Published July 18, 2021

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Sitting in their air-conditioned offices with stewards who serve coffee and tea on request, a majority of our Supreme Court justices have come to an awful decision. They ordered an essential class of workers into slave-like isolation—unseen, unheard and unprotected—as they toil in scorching heat harvesting crops.

The justices, exploiting a single incident, turned back the clock on farmworker rights nearly a half-century.

In an under-reported 6-3 decision, the justices drop-kicked the California Agricultural Labor Relations Act of 1975 into the trash bin. That California law gave farmworkers access to labor organizers. The court decision assures farm owners that they once again reign over their employees like plantation owners in the antebellum South, just without bullwhips.

https://www.rawstory.com/cedar-point-nursery-v-hassid/

From the same federalist society justice and his worthless corporate lackeys' sitting right next him giving the workers of this country the ultimate shaft and was also in on that attacks on voting "rights" , time to expand the courts every last one of them, to get rid of this BS...

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A Supreme Court ruling that's right out of the 19th century (Original Post) turbinetree Jul 2021 OP
K&Fuckin'R Carlitos Brigante Jul 2021 #1
sorry that I can't see this...paywall... CTyankee Jul 2021 #2
Just typed in DC reports click below for the entire article...hope this helps turbinetree Jul 2021 #3
Avast reports this URL as Disaffected Jul 2021 #13
Yep. It pops up a window that says.... reACTIONary Jul 2021 #17
Hmm, mine doesn't say that (but I do use Chrome). Disaffected Jul 2021 #19
Nope. I don't use avast or anything like it... reACTIONary Jul 2021 #35
Ah, I see now, thanks. Disaffected Jul 2021 #39
That would be wise. nt reACTIONary Jul 2021 #54
I got it too. And it went away the 2nd time I clicked the link. zaj Jul 2021 #40
Up goes the price of produce ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2021 #4
They're already working on the transition to automation and robotics Amishman Jul 2021 #5
I expect small farms to switch to less labor-intensive crops as well. Auggie Jul 2021 #8
there are some pretty cheap drones coming. mopinko Jul 2021 #14
Really? A drone can pick fruit from a tree? oldsoftie Jul 2021 #27
Yup - it's pretty new. Worried2020 Jul 2021 #30
That's some crazy shit. Pepsidog Jul 2021 #31
Fucking republicans I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2021 #6
"Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on?"----Woody Guthrie. nt Atticus Jul 2021 #7
boycott table grapes . AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #9
I agree with a term, but 2 yrs is bit short. oldsoftie Jul 2021 #26
Republicons got what they want. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2021 #10
Two Words Roy Rolling Jul 2021 #11
No small wonder why reQublicans work so hard to get R Judges on the bench KS Toronado Jul 2021 #12
I wonder if the fires in Calf that have all but made extinct the Wine Industry flying_wahini Jul 2021 #15
I live in Northern California wine country. Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #28
Me too... msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #36
Lake County. Just above Napa County. Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #37
oh no worries... msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #46
I live in northern California and trust me, the wine industry is NOWHERE NEAR extinct... The_REAL_Ecumenist Jul 2021 #41
SCOTUS does not comprise a "Conservative Court". It has become a Fascist-Racist Court RVN VET71 Jul 2021 #16
Unions are pretty good at loopholes NJCher Jul 2021 #18
Yes - that would be fit within the framework the court creates FBaggins Jul 2021 #44
compensating owners for property rights NJCher Jul 2021 #50
Not a union member here FBaggins Jul 2021 #51
Where Is The Logic In This? DallasNE Jul 2021 #20
Republicans are in a race backward to a time when white men ruled with an iron fist dlk Jul 2021 #21
Not as simple as the headline suggests melm00se Jul 2021 #22
Hey, someone who actually READ the case!!! oldsoftie Jul 2021 #25
A Whitesupremist Court ruling that's right out of the 19th century plimsoll Jul 2021 #23
How is it "white supremacy" to say the government can't let people NYC Liberal Jul 2021 #33
Another Rawstory "sky is falling" BS headline. oldsoftie Jul 2021 #24
I guess that could explain why this is an "under-reported" decision. ShazzieB Jul 2021 #32
A poster above posted the real story oldsoftie Jul 2021 #34
Justice Breyer, with whom Justice Sotomayor and Justice Kagan join, dissenting. Celerity Jul 2021 #45
People! Wake up. jaxexpat Jul 2021 #29
Wake up indeed; this decision should've been 9-0 oldsoftie Jul 2021 #43
Unions to improve the lot of workers are ineffective if they act strictly within the law. jaxexpat Jul 2021 #48
If you think its "civil war" you've already lost oldsoftie Jul 2021 #52
In the 1940s most farms were family farms Klaralven Jul 2021 #47
I can speak to this from personal experience. jaxexpat Jul 2021 #49
Perhaps it is time.. raising2moredems Jul 2021 #38
We need to expand the Supreme Court. calimary Jul 2021 #42
slowly llashram Jul 2021 #53

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
17. Yep. It pops up a window that says....
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:11 PM
Jul 2021

.... You are using an outdated version of Chrome. It should say you are using an uninfected version of Chrome.

Disaffected

(4,554 posts)
19. Hmm, mine doesn't say that (but I do use Chrome).
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jul 2021

Are you using Avast, the free version or paid? I'd Paste all of what it says here but it won't allow Copy.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
35. Nope. I don't use avast or anything like it...
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:02 PM
Jul 2021

... the pop up was the infected or scam html. It pops up a message that makes you think you need to update chrome, then does the "update". What it really does is install malware.

So avast is pretty good if it can protect you from that.

Disaffected

(4,554 posts)
39. Ah, I see now, thanks.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:35 AM
Jul 2021

I've used Avast for many years BTW and have never had a infection (that I am aware of at least). I'm pretty careful about what I open but it has warned me several times in the past in addition to this instance.

Maybe turbinetree should delete his post.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
4. Up goes the price of produce
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:25 AM
Jul 2021

If there are no workers to pick it, pack it, and send it off to market.

Are non- migrant workers going to bust their asses in heat and horrid working conditions for little pay 12 hours a day, and with no protections?

That would be a big fat NO!

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
5. They're already working on the transition to automation and robotics
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:31 AM
Jul 2021
https://www.techcrunch.com/2021/07/01/after-8-4m-raise-strawberry-picking-robotics-startup-traptic-begins-commercial-deployment/amp/

The worst thing about it is factory farms will be able to afford this equipment and drive their costs down further, increasing their competitive advantage over small farms. Small family farms are already facing a tight squeeze due to economies of scale.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
14. there are some pretty cheap drones coming.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:29 AM
Jul 2021

i saw a fruit picker that was about $1500. i have a doz and a half young fruit trees, and will be adding another parcel soon.

when they mature, that is so worth it to me. twice that.
it's hard to find pickers in the big city at any price.

Worried2020

(444 posts)
30. Yup - it's pretty new.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 04:44 PM
Jul 2021

.

"Flying autonomous robots can work 24 hours a day, and only pick ripe fruit. Now an Israeli company, Tevel Aerobotics Technologies, has invented a flying autonomous robot (FAR) which uses artificial intelligence (AI) to identify and pick fruit. The robot can work 24 hours a day and picks only ripe fruit. Feb. 19, 2021"

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/02/flying-ai-robot-harvest-fresh-fruit/


https://www.tevel-tech.com/



W

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,470 posts)
6. Fucking republicans
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:37 AM
Jul 2021

Want to bring back slavery,literally.

From prison labor for pennies in for profit prisons to not protecting farmworkers..

How long until chattel slavery returns?

AllaN01Bear

(18,207 posts)
9. boycott table grapes .
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:15 AM
Jul 2021

i would love to see the suprime court reformed . elected instead of nominated . 2 year terms rather than lifetime . we are stuck with the trump picked court forever . as somone pinted out , time to expand this court .

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
26. I agree with a term, but 2 yrs is bit short.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:09 PM
Jul 2021

Maybe 6-8. With a short term, you may actually get MORE "I dont give a shit" opinions

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
10. Republicons got what they want.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jul 2021

Massive tax cuts and "subsidies" for corporations and billionaires.

And control of the SCROTUS and most of the rest of the court system. They will use that to get rulings like this which will always favor the rich and the corporate interest over working people.

Because republicons played hardball and went after what they wanted. We, however, are supposed to be nice and accommodate them. And "democrats" who refuse to take the necessary actions to ensure we can continue to vote.

Things will continue to get worse. I unfortunately expect to see a lot more of this.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
11. Two Words
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:22 AM
Jul 2021

Caesar Chavez.

The SC may dominate weak politicians and cultists but they won’t dominate Caesar Chavez, God rest his soul.

People underestimate what happened in 1975 that the SC just reversed.

KS Toronado

(17,235 posts)
12. No small wonder why reQublicans work so hard to get R Judges on the bench
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:25 AM
Jul 2021

Instead of working hard to get D Judges on the bench, maybe we should have a test or review board
to ensure Judges do not base their opinions on what's good or bad for Rs & Ds.
Middle of the road fair minded people are who we need as Judges.

flying_wahini

(6,594 posts)
15. I wonder if the fires in Calf that have all but made extinct the Wine Industry
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:31 AM
Jul 2021

& have all that labor moving south has a lot to do with it? I think so.

The Agriculture owners are tired of paying nothing much to nothing 😞 to its migrants.

I hope the migrants can hold out the old fashioned way. STRIKE.

Mr.Bill

(24,289 posts)
37. Lake County. Just above Napa County.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:43 PM
Jul 2021

This may have come from an article I read on Yahoo News. It was from the New York Times and it was just your typical let's all hate California hit piece. It told some anecdotal stories from a few small vineyards that were damaged by fires, coupled it with water shortages and extrapolated it into the wine industry being nearly wiped out. I don't have a link and I'm not going to bother to look for it.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
46. oh no worries...
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:57 AM
Jul 2021

I'm down in Sonoma County... yes there are some damaged vineyards from previous years fires. And now the drought is quite worry some for obvious reasons. But, things are at the moment appear to be still humming along, maybe not quite as normal, but none the less, still humming along.

California bashing seems to be a trend by conservatives. trying to hurt business i suppose in order to get back in power here. My feeling is, get the hell out of the state if it's so awful. no one is forcing any of these cretins to live here.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(721 posts)
41. I live in northern California and trust me, the wine industry is NOWHERE NEAR extinct...
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 01:51 AM
Jul 2021

where'd you get that from? I'm about 45 minutes to an hour east of Napa, 90 minutes from Sonoma and ALOT closer to other wine areas... Extinct? WTH?

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
16. SCOTUS does not comprise a "Conservative Court". It has become a Fascist-Racist Court
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:56 AM
Jul 2021

And it works to secure power and wealth for the plutocracy. Roberts and especially Alito have taken the subtlety out of SCOTUS’s right wing racist politics. The other 4 fall in line behind them, with Barret not so much a fascist as a Handmaiden awaiting instructions from her husband; and Thomas, once happily Scalia’s little lap doggie, just wandering aimlessly among fascists, nodding in acceptance of whatever they decide and kissing up to the other “conservative” Justices -- like Alito -- who would really rather not invite him to dinner.

That leaves Gorsuch -- a brilliant lawyer who has, so far, allowed Roberts and Alito the limelight -- and McRapey, the smarmy little punk who will do whatever the “big boys” would like him to do.

Sure as shit expand the court. If 2022 gives him the power and Biden doesn’t use it I’ll be very surprised, horrified, and sickened. We need another 6 justices, every one of whom is an independent thinker who understands the ignorance of originalist thinking and views the constitution as a living document.

6 will ensure Roe v. Wade. 6 will ensure a renewed VRA. 6 will enable the Dems to finally tax the plutocrats. 6 will save and strengthen social security and national health care. 6 will ensure that spurious gerrymandering is no longer the law of the land.

(In case my math got lost in my meandering last 5 sentences above, that’s 6 more justices for a total of 15, 9 of whom would be leaning leftward.)

NJCher

(35,669 posts)
18. Unions are pretty good at loopholes
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:23 PM
Jul 2021

Would this work? Farmhand goes to work with a computer given to him/her at the beginning of the day.

Union discussions are conducted via wireless.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
44. Yes - that would be fit within the framework the court creates
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:59 AM
Jul 2021

Employees are free to attempt to organize on company property as long as it doesn't impact the job (on breaks... before or after their shift... etc.).

All that is affected here are union organizers who don't work for the company can't come onto company property. And it isn't even really that. The state could craft a law that is just like the one the court rejected... if it provides just compensation for that "taking" of the owner's property rights. That wouldn't necessarily be a prohibitive amount.

I can imagine a tax credit for employers who are forced to allow union organizers onto their property... that would require them to report how many, how often, how many hours, etc. such that it's more hassle than the credit is worth.

NJCher

(35,669 posts)
50. compensating owners for property rights
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 10:17 AM
Jul 2021

That's very interesting. So an employee could become the union organizer.

It's doubtful that too many employees would want to take that on, though (think Amazon intimidation), so I like the idea of the state providing some compensation for "taking" of the owner's property rights.

In the time I've worked on the executive board of my union (about 15 years) I've come to appreciate the experience long-time union organizers bring to the task. I helped organize a union in NJ with the help of a very good union organizer, and I learned one has to be so careful about how it's done.

Right now we are faced with the retirement of our most valued negotiators. That is a set of skills that is not easily found.

Are you a union member, too?

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
51. Not a union member here
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 11:02 AM
Jul 2021

The industry I'm in has almost no unionization... and I would probably be excluded by statute anyway.

I agree that it's unlikely that agricultural workers have many people who want to be the face of unionization efforts... but the key is that SCOTUS didn't say that laws like this one can't be passed. Just that they count as a "taking" and thus would require "just compensation". I didn't read the entire decision, but I didn't see any discussion on what such compensation must include. So I would assume that California has some room to be creative.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
20. Where Is The Logic In This?
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jul 2021

These farm workers in their off hours are tenants. Unless this ruling grants the landlord veto power over guests and all that implies. Does this mean a farm workers brother can only visit if he is not a union organizer? How do you draw those lines? Would this prevent a Sheriff from serving an arrest warrant? This ruling is devoid of any kind of logic or common sense. What other tenants face such regulation? Indeed, these landlords are avoiding paying payroll taxes much like the Trump organization is charged in a current case. It seems that the Court is going after the wrong people.

dlk

(11,566 posts)
21. Republicans are in a race backward to a time when white men ruled with an iron fist
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:30 PM
Jul 2021

And everyone else (women, minorities) becomes some level of indentured servant. If they could reestablish slavery, they would

melm00se

(4,992 posts)
22. Not as simple as the headline suggests
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jul 2021

the questions before the court were

1. Can a California regulation allow someone(s) (in this case union organizers) to trespass onto private property?
2. Does this regulation violate the 5th Amendment?

The Court's majority ruled that this California regulation, in fact, is "taking".

here is a quick summary of the case and here is the complete ruling.

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
25. Hey, someone who actually READ the case!!!
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:06 PM
Jul 2021

The DU unicorn.
IMO, it should have been 9-0 based on the case at hand.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
33. How is it "white supremacy" to say the government can't let people
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 05:48 PM
Jul 2021

take over someone else’s private property?

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
24. Another Rawstory "sky is falling" BS headline.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:04 PM
Jul 2021

The ruling merely says organizers cannot go onto private property to talk to employees.
Its PRIVATE PROPERTY.
So talk to them OFF the property. Organizers can do just what they did at a plant here in Ga; have a large meeting at one of the local churches. Or one of the local union halls. Or anywhere thats NOT the farm.

ShazzieB

(16,396 posts)
32. I guess that could explain why this is an "under-reported" decision.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 05:46 PM
Jul 2021

Because it's not really quite as earth shattering as it sounds when you get into the details?

Still, Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor all dissented. To me, that has to mean something. 🤔

I need to go read what the dissenting judges said about their reasons.

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
34. A poster above posted the real story
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 06:39 PM
Jul 2021

IMO, it should've been 9-0
Its PRIVATE property. That has to continue to mean something

Celerity

(43,357 posts)
45. Justice Breyer, with whom Justice Sotomayor and Justice Kagan join, dissenting.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:51 AM
Jul 2021
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/594/20-107/#tab-opinion-4442715

A California regulation provides that representatives of a labor organization may enter an agricultural employer’s property for purposes of union organizing. They may do so during four months of the year, one hour before the start of work, one hour during an employee lunch break, and one hour after work. The question before us is how to characterize this regulation for purposes of the Constitution’s Takings Clause.

Does the regulation physically appropriate the employers’ property? If so, there is no need to look further; the Government must pay the employers “just compensation.” U. S. Const., Amdt. 5; see Arkansas Game and Fish Comm’n v. United States, 568 U.S. 23, 31 (2012) (“ ‘[W]hen the government physically takes possession of an interest in property for some public purpose, it has a categorical duty to compensate the former owner’ ”). Or does the regulation simply regulate the employers’ property rights? If so, then there is every need to look further; the government need pay the employers “just compensation” only if the regulation “goes too far.” Pennsylvania Coal Co. v. Mahon, 260 U.S. 393, 415 (1922) (Holmes, J., for the Court); see also Penn Central Transp. Co. v. New York City, 438 U.S. 104, 124 (1978) (determining whether a regulation is a taking by examining the regulation’s “economic impact,” the extent of interference with “investment-backed expectations,” and the “character of the governmental action”); Arkansas Game and Fish Comm’n, 568 U. S., at 38–39 (listing factors relevant to the character of the regulation).

The Court holds that the provision’s “access to organizers” requirement amounts to a physical appropriation of property. In its view, virtually every government-authorized invasion is an “appropriation.” But this regulation does not “appropriate” anything; it regulates the employers’ right to exclude others. At the same time, our prior cases make clear that the regulation before us allows only a temporary invasion of a landowner’s property and that this kind of temporary invasion amounts to a taking only if it goes “too far.” See, e.g., Loretto v. Teleprompter Manhattan CATV Corp., 458 U.S. 419, 434 (1982). In my view, the majority’s conclusion threatens to make many ordinary forms of regulation unusually complex or impractical. And though the majority attempts to create exceptions to narrow its rule, see ante, at 17–20, the law’s need for feasibility suggests that the majority’s framework is wrong. With respect, I dissent from the majority’s conclusion that the regulation is a per se taking.

I

“In view of the nearly infinite variety of ways in which government actions or regulations can affect property interests, the Court has recognized few invariable rules in this area.” Arkansas Game and Fish Comm’n, 568 U. S., at 31; see also Kaiser Aetna v. United States, 444 U.S. 164, 175 (1979) (“[T]his Court has generally ‘been unable to develop any “set formula” for determining when “justice and fairness” require that economic injuries caused by public action be compensated by the government’ ”). Instead, most government action affecting property rights is analyzed case by case under Penn Central’s fact-intensive test. Petitioners do not argue that the provision at issue is a “regulatory taking” under that test. Instead, the question before us is whether the access regulation falls within one of two narrow categories of government conduct that are per se takings. The first is when “ ‘the government directly appropriates private property for its own use.’ ” Horne v. Department of Agriculture, 576 U.S. 351, 357 (2015). The second is when the government causes a permanent physical occupation of private property. See Lingle v. Chevron U. S. A. Inc., 544 U.S. 528, 538 (2005). It does not.

A

Initially it may help to look at the legal problem—a problem of characterization—through the lens of ordinary English. The word “regulation” rather than “appropriation” fits this provision in both label and substance. Cf. ante, at 6. It is contained in Title 8 of the California Code of Regulations. It was adopted by a state regulatory board, namely, the California Agricultural Labor Relations Board, in 1975. It is embedded in a set of related detailed regulations that describe and limit the access at issue. In addition to the hours of access just mentioned, it provides that union representatives can enter the property only “for the purpose of meeting and talking with employees and soliciting their support”; they have access only to “areas in which employees congregate before and after working” or “at such location or locations as the employees eat their lunch”; and they cannot engage in “conduct disruptive of the employer’s property or agricultural operations, including injury to crops or machinery or interference with the process of boarding buses.” §§20900(e), (e)(3), (e)(4)(C) (2021). From the employers’ perspective, it restricts when and where they can exclude others from their property.......................................

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jaxexpat

(6,828 posts)
29. People! Wake up.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 04:09 PM
Jul 2021

Slavery in agriculture never stopped. That's why the 20th century saw the greatest migration from the farm to the city in the history of civilization. Did you really think it was about the night life?

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
43. Wake up indeed; this decision should've been 9-0
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:47 AM
Jul 2021

Read the case.
You cant just go on private property without permission. This union didnt even follow the rules that were already in place.
This has nothing to do with unionization.

jaxexpat

(6,828 posts)
48. Unions to improve the lot of workers are ineffective if they act strictly within the law.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 08:37 AM
Jul 2021

It's about power and only power. Observe the process of organized labor's disintegration every moment since 'Reagan vs PATCO' to exemplify that fact. Observe also the contemporary and parallel disintegration of our progressive society as well.

If an owner, employer, administrator (whoever) does not suffer enough to change, then necessary change will never come. Unionization IS revolution. It removes total power from one entity within a system and redistributes that power to include labor. There is no natural right for ownership to monopolize control of production to the detriment of labor by virtue of contract or deed. Insofar as access to "private property" is concerned, that boat of illusion has already sailed. It became history the moment a civil authority allowed "official" personnel access onto ANY property based solely on their discretion(or the wrong address written on a warrant). It's the same if your neighbor creates a junkyard in their front yard or your teenager's summer employer uses punishment to increase production. Rules have already failed when injustice goes unchallenged.

Rules!? Nature don't need no stinkin' rules. It's the ceaseless war of civil disobedience vs authority that provides the fundamental energy for society's adjustment toward justice. The name of the current conversation to "defund the police" is not a typo. It is one of several preliminaries to a civil war wherein citizens will act out their dissatisfaction with the entities of enforcement who's functions are dictated by and for the oligarchy.

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
52. If you think its "civil war" you've already lost
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 11:11 AM
Jul 2021

Because you need only look at the places where the reduction in protection has resulted in skyrocketing crime.
But Private property rights are paramount in this country. Yeah, the cops can come in with a warrant. Yes, they sometimes screw that up. And they should be punished when they do.
But as I said, THIS case has nothing to do with union rights. It has everything to do with trespassing. It should've been 9-0

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
47. In the 1940s most farms were family farms
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 08:05 AM
Jul 2021

Most were owned by the family, but many also rented.

There was a lot of child labor, but no slavery.

Between 1945 and 1990, farms decreased from about 6 million to 2 million. There are still 2 million only because there are still a bunch of retirees living on farms that they rent to larger operators and a lot of small farms that are essentially hobby farms run by people with other jobs.

The main driver of depopulation was mechanization. This made farming more efficient, but to afford the capital investment farmers had to increase acreage and scale, as well as specialize in certain crops or livestock. There aren't any 16 head dairy herds like my Dad's. Now dairy farms range from herds of 100s to 1000s. Big ones go up to 30,000 head.

https://livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe50s/life_11.html

jaxexpat

(6,828 posts)
49. I can speak to this from personal experience.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 09:21 AM
Jul 2021

Mechanization did not "drive" depopulation so much as "enable" it. The combination of a knack for embracing technology, ambition, hard work and luck provided success for a few as they acquired tenant status on newly available lands. Tenant farming, especially in the old, plantation based south, however, was/is essentially serfdom. This American version of serfdom allowed for migration away from the land inspired to some extent by the new national mobility post WWI. Many instances, however, in the 30's-50's were very mean, presenting stark alternatives of starvation vs relocation. Other instances I have seen are of children who had no real interest in agriculture or their available acreage offered insufficient means to support them. They simply left rural life for other career opportunities. It is painful to see the stresses placed onto hard-working families who try to live on inadequate resources of capital production. See: Ronald Reagan; re: inaction of American leadership; incl. breaking the family farm/building agribusiness. The subsequent primacy of a very few industrial giants to satisfy a national and international dependency for sustenance is the cloud on the horizon.

If you thought Exxon was bad, wait'll you see his big brother, ADM.

raising2moredems

(638 posts)
38. Perhaps it is time..
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:55 PM
Jul 2021

For the workers to not work. We all know that if we relied on "real Americans", aka WHITE people to do the work, the crops would rot in the field, no meat would be processed, and many other jobs would go unfilled. Perhaps a better approach is to talk to them in Mexico or anywhere outside the fields/place of employment. Here's hoping for heart attacks/accidental deaths to get rid of at least four, if not five, SCOTUS members who should have never been confirmed.

calimary

(81,265 posts)
42. We need to expand the Supreme Court.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:22 AM
Jul 2021

Rebalance the Supreme Court!

That was one of the postcard prompts at our Postcard Party yesterday. First such event inmate than 16 months! A big success! 15 people showed up!

llashram

(6,265 posts)
53. slowly
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:51 PM
Jul 2021

the RW is tightening its grip on American democracy and turning it into the RW amerikan paradise fascist RW leaders have dreamed of returning to since their Civil War loss and the 64-65 Human and Voting Rights wins against just these kinds of RW SC Justices and their jurisprudence jurisdiction 6-3. Thomas and Kavanaugh stand out as really skilled in the language of principle, integrity, and law. No. Just kidding. They are not and do what their corporate masters dictate.

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