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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocrats need to embrace politicians like Nina Turner who don't toe the party line: Lucas M. Blower
AKRON, Ohio -- Politicians are unpopular in the United States. and uniquely so, because they are almost universally unpopular. We agree on virtually nothing in this country. We disagree on social issues, racial issues, gender issues, class issues indeed, 85% of registered voters described Americans as deeply divided on their values in a poll taken at the end of 2020.
Despite all this disagreement, though, we find common ground in reviling our politicians. The last time Congress had a break-even approval rating, according to Gallup, was in 2003. At the end of 2020, that approval rating had sunk to 15%. Given this persistently low approval rating, we celebrate small victories. Early this year, when a round of stimulus checks pushed Congress approval rating to the low 30s, it was being hailed as a success in the press never mind that over 60% of Americans were still united in their distaste of Congress.
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The GOP regularly fields candidates who rail against the system. Its been a winning strategy. And one that the GOP establishment quickly embraced. Its created some awkwardness, for sure, as a party full of politician-hating politicians is not exactly a coherent governing coalition. Yet this oxymoronic party controls the federal judiciary, holds an effective veto over any action in the Senate, and has a better-than-decent chance of recapturing the House in 2022.
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There is a lesson here for Democrats. While the GOP establishment has embraced its fiery new members, the Democratic leadership is largely insisting that its members stick to the party line. The consequence of this enforced orthodoxy is that the Democratic party has ceded the votes of political skeptics to the GOP. And the results have been disastrous for Ohio Democrats.
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https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/07/democrats-need-to-embrace-politicians-like-nina-turner-who-dont-toe-the-party-line-lucas-m-blower.html
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Without that, there is nothing.
And this candidate doesn't do that.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)What is ironic is that historically "Uncle Jo" is most commonly linked to the term of die hard ultra progressives continued to use as an affectionate term of endearment for Stalin AFTER Malenkov denounced the cult of personality and the SU began de-stalinization. It was used as a badge of honor by "bitter enders" to show no amount of facts could get them to reconsider their earlier position.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Go Shontel Brown!
Sid
Me.
(35,454 posts)and then there's Nina. Perhaps you missed the thread where the Cleveland Clergy is calling her out for lies.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215633905
And personally, I question the truth of this article about the Con playbook. Or has them kicking people out of the party for telling the truth gone unnoticed? Does the advice mean we should start telling lies?
Cha
(297,196 posts)Mahalo Me!
aloha, nice to see you. And frankly it sure takes a lot of nerve for that woman to run as a DEm and think she should have our support.
mcar
(42,316 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,198 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Ocelot II
(115,686 posts)She has regularly disparaged the party and its representatives, and is running as a Democrat only because she couldn't get on the ballot otherwise. She would be nothing but a disruptive PITA in Congress.
Mike Nelson
(9,954 posts)... she doesn't even want the embraces.
hlthe2b
(102,261 posts)It certainly seems so. I'm with the REAL Democrats and black clergy, who are not afraid to call out her constant lies:
Link to tweet
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)And the bowl of shit it rode in on.
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,147 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)and refused to endorse our presidential nominees in 2016 and 2020.
Democrats don't "need" to embrace anyone who both supports third party candidates and who is trying to start her own third party.
It's Turner who needs to take responsibility and apologize for her role in helping Trump get to the White House.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)She was not mature enough to accept the fact that Bernie lost twice (2016 & 2020) and as a result, she refused to support the Democratic nominee BOTH TIMES!!
Each time, her response was to insult, smear, kneecap, work AGAINST the Democrat, encourage people to NOT vote (or to vote for someone OTHER than the Democrat) and generally be a gadfly. It's all about her hurt-feelings and wanting "revenge" on Democrats because she felt that Bernie was entitled to the nomination.
She's NOT a Democrat... she's simply running "as a" Democrat because her own "People's Party" didn't have what it takes to be on the ballot in Ohio. She has no intention of remaining a Democrat once this is over. Her loyalties are ONLY to herself and to her ego and to her fame and fortune.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)concerning this election
Driving the news: Even some of Sanders closest allies like Nina Turner, his 2020 campaign co-chair, who's running in a hotly contested Aug. 3 Democratic primary for a special election for Ohio's 11th congressional district haven't been running with his endorsement front and center.
What they're saying: "When I'm knocking door-to-door, people aren't asking me about endorsements," Turner tells Axios. "The race that I'm running is about Ohio 11, and I'm the one running this race."
- Turner is running on Sanders' liberal agenda but not his name.
- "The senator and I are still close," she said. "We forged a strong relationship and we still have that to this day."
- Jeff Weaver, a longtime Sanders aide and consultant to Turner, said in a statement: "The progressive movement is in a period of maturation. Progressives have shown they can inspire voters and win in state after state as Bernie did in 2016 and 2020. Now, they are showing they can govern in an effective and principled way in coalition with more conservative elements of the party."
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- In a crowded primary, they don't want to give Turner's opponents any easy ways to argue that her ties to Sanders would pit her against Biden or make her unwilling to work with more moderate Democrats.
House Majority Whip Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) recently got involved in Turner's race to endorse one of her opponents, Shontel Brown. Instead of making the endorsement about Brown, Clyburn seemed to take his frustrations with some progressive colleagues out on Turner.
- He told the New York Times his aversion to "sloganeering" and phrases like "defund the police" and "abolish ICE" helped him make this decision but Turner doesn't call for either of those.
- Rather than describe herself as a Sanders protege, Turner mentions President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Black women who played historic roles in U.S. politics and the voting rights movement: "I'm a Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm Democrat. In the vein of FDR. That's the kind of Democrat I am. I'm a Fannie Hamer Democrat."
https://www.axios.com/the-lefts-bernie-burnout-2a3952b2-d9f7-4f07-90e2-7e22a3105710.html
Nixie
(16,953 posts)Excellent find, lapucelle. Turner did the same things to the Clintons. They are the reason she won the first time, but she turned on them, too. These opportunists are so transparent.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)He also raised money for her. Funny how Nina didn't mention that during her interview,
https://www.news-herald.com/news/ohio/bill-clinton-backs-nina-turner-for-secretary-of-state/article_a7c2b899-5d9a-5243-b397-3e358c268240.html
Nixie
(16,953 posts)She needs to explain why she took their help when it was convenient for her.
She only won because they helped her.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Because she attacks the legitimacy of the system. So from the left? I hate all forms of populism.
paleotn
(17,912 posts)susanr516
(1,425 posts)Populism, no matter which party label is attached, scares me.
New Breed Leader
(623 posts)Get thee ENTIRE FUCK OUTTA here.
paleotn
(17,912 posts)Not those caught in some bizarre "Only the perfect. Everything else is a bowl of shit." mentality. That single, grossly irrational statement disqualifies Turner from ever holding any public office. Her judgement and grip on reality are faulty at best.
https://news.yahoo.com/sanders-campaign-co-chair-compares-192803568.html
The authors idea boils down to the GQP is pulling the nation apart from the far right. But, hey! That resonates with some people. So lets do the same from the far left!!! Why? Because Americans revile their politicians!!! Yea, since like 1796.
Uncle Joe
(58,360 posts)if one side pulls and the other doesn't pull as hard (whether intentional or not), the former usually wins with everyone shifted to that direction.
I believe that's what has happened in general at least since the days of Reagan.
paleotn
(17,912 posts)Spouting populist malarkey from the far left, because the far right is spouting populist malarkey and seemingly gaining attention from it, isn't going to hold any ground. It just makes things worse. Running on achievable goals that actually freaking work, even those that are massive lifts, is a far saner, more rational policy that doesn't end up with a paralyzed democracy at best. A national divorce at worst. Americans want results. Always have. Not bullshit rhetoric.
Uncle Joe
(58,360 posts)If not from the established powers that be, then from the gadflies.
The nation was and to some degree is tore apart because in my opinion the middle got too comfortable with itself and too many people on both ends of the spectrum became alienated or disfranchised from a near half century shrinking middle class.
Everything is relative and "achievable goals" change with the date and circumstance but circumstances don't change with a fixed status quo of rough parity.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)... sounds like Trump.
Uncle Joe
(58,360 posts)pulling the strings from behind the curtain to get ultimate power and decided to rule for himself.
also gad-fly, 1620s, "fly which bites cattle," probably from gad (n.) "goad, metal rod," here in the sense of "stinger;" but the sense is entangled with gad (v.) "rove about" (on the notion, perhaps, of the insect's power of flight or of the restlessness of animals plagued by them), and another early meaning of gadfly was "someone who likes to go about, often stopping here and there" (1610s). Sense of "one who irritates another" is from 1640s (equivalent of Latin oestrus; see estrus). "In strictness, only the females are gadflies, the males being smaller and quite inoffensive, living on juices of plants" [Century Dictionary]. Earlier bot-fly, from bot "skin parasite" (late 15c.).
https://www.etymonline.com/word/gadfly#etymonline_v_1207
- Any dipterous insect of the family Oestridae, commonly known as botflies.
- A horsefly: any of various species of fly, of the family Tabanidae, noted for buzzing about animals and sucking their blood.
-(figuratively) One who upsets the status quo by posing upsetting or novel questions, or attempts to stimulate innovation by proving an irritant.
- (derogatory) One who merely irritates without making useful suggestions.
- (derogatory, slang) A bloodsucker; a person who takes without giving back.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gadfly
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)This is no game our lives our childrens lives and the very future of our democracy is at stake. This is no game.
George II
(67,782 posts)PortTack
(32,764 posts)Proposes...
Chili
(1,725 posts)"The GOP regularly fields candidates who rail against the system. Its been a winning strategy. And one that the GOP establishment quickly embraced."
That's the only thing I agree with in that pro-GOP op-ed... because Nina Turner is backed by GOP advisors, and fits that role perfectly for them to divide the party so that Dem bills will never pass the House.
And if she wins, the reasonable assertive AOC will regret the day she endorsed this vindictive woman.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)"I didn't think it was anatomically possible, but this both sucks and blows."
Chili
(1,725 posts)Thank you, Sir!
Budi
(15,325 posts)Gtfoutta here .
Did Nina's RU backed Mecury Global Lobbying Group pay for this vomit?
Mercury was named in Mueller's report as allied with Manafort & RU.
Mercury sponsored Nina's AMARE PR Group.
What Party Line is she towing exactly?
She's used the OH-11 race to run her own self serving, self enriching publicity stunt against the Democratic Party.
She'd drop tbe D as soon as she'd be sworn in.
As does Bernie Sanders, several times actually.
Nina despises the Democratic Party
This article is a whole bunch of purchased propaganda.
To quote the research of DUer NurseJackie:
NINA TURNER supported Jill Fucking Stein when Hillary ran against Trump.
-- she voted for Jill Fucking Stein in the same election.
-- she claims she was asked to be Jill Fucking Stein's running-mate.
-- she refused to support Joe Biden (against Trump).
-- she compared to Joe Biden as a "bowl of shit".
-- she is only grudgingly running "as-a" Democrat because her PREFERRED party couldn't get on the Ohio ballot.
-- she promotes her (so-called) "People's Party" over the Democratic Party
-- she badmouths Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
-- she shows only contempt for the Democratic party
Tell me again with a straight face, which Party she's actually "Towing the Line" for??
Democracy doesn't need what Turner's selling.
"MERCURY IS A RU FOREIGN ASSET."
WHY IS NINA PALLING AROUND WITH RU?
Has she listed AMARE PR with FARA?
Perhaps this bogus paid-for-propaganda writer can answer that question for America.
I'll wait...🙄
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Does he too have a private PAC yet??
Someone got promised a deal for that hard hitting bowl of sh**.
Wow.. 🤢
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)Metatron
(1,258 posts)I cannot agree with this: "the Democratic leadership is largely insisting that its members stick to the party line. The consequence of this enforced orthodoxy is that the Democratic party has ceded the votes of political skeptics to the GOP. And the results have been disastrous for Ohio Democrats."
DemocracyWins
(259 posts)Turner use to be a Democrat but she decided ideology more important. Then try to run in a Republican primary and see if people dont care about what party you are. See how far you get.
DFW
(54,372 posts)If there is a lesson here for Democrats, it seems to me that lesson is more like, "don't let yourself get hijacked by extremist elements with their own narrow agenda, so that you don't end up like today's Republicans. It's enough that one of our major parties allowed itself to be torn asunder by nut cases from the outside who have infiltrated in numbers sufficient to take over."
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)TFG. I will not ever vote for Nina in a primary...and consider this, I live in the district.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,969 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....like this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15635051
Her Twitter biography: "Alliance against Democrat Establishment Hypocrisy", and one of the graphics in a tweet of hers says:
#NoMoreStatusQuo #DraineThe Swamp #FeelThe Bern #MAGA
@_SemaHernandez_
Link to tweet
Budi
(15,325 posts)Link to tweet
Is Lucas Blower vying for a hard hitting Opinion Writer spot at Politico?
Just asking...🤪
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lapucelle
(18,252 posts)Worse than that, though, the accusation is unnecessarily divisive. Democrats need to come together around popular, progressive policies, not polarizing personalities.
Indeed, no less a figure than President Joe Biden himself recognizes that the Democratic Party must adopt progressive policies championed for years by Turner if it wants to maintain its majorities in Washington, D.C. In his first 100 days, he aggressively pushed a progressive agenda aimed at getting relief to working people. Now, there is still much to do. But the fact that Bidens team, when in power, aspires to govern like progressives is proof that candidates like Turner are pushing the party in the right direction.
For her efforts, Turner deserves better than being falsely accused of working against fellow Democrats. Turner is working to make the party better. Implying that shes working for the other side is not just false, its self-defeating.
https://amp.beaconjournal.com/amp/7728935002
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)This idiot clearly doesn't understand the long term consequences of supporting politicians who "rail against the system". Governing is not the same as winning at any cost. The GOP has plunged us into political chaos, and adding fuel to the fire by supporting left-wing tea partiers is not going to help, and will likely only serve to help the GOP candidates in any case. So, yeah, let's elect more people like Nina Turner to polarize our society EVEN MORE!
Vinca
(50,270 posts)There are enough crazies on the right without encouraging them on the far left.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)Caliman73
(11,737 posts)I know this guy is some kind of attorney and he apparently has a decent representation in Ohio, but this opinion piece is pretty flimsy. "The GOP regularly fields candidates who rail against the system..." Really? The GOP rails against the established liberal order, and against government, to be sure, but that is what they do. What they are known for. Republicans don't like government "For the People" they want government to enforce the "natural order" of things. Get out of the way of "business", which means, WEALTHY PEOPLE. They all say the same things. They all support Trumpism which is a right wing populism that hides their true agenda.
Also, and one cannot emphasize this enough. REPUBLICANS CHEAT. They win because of gerrymandering and voter suppression. They don't win because people prefer their policies. They have set up the system so that even when they lose, which they do regularly, in terms of the actual number of people who vote for them, they still get more seats.
They also have a complete, coordinated media ecosystem that lies and pushes propaganda. That propaganda filters into the mainstream media, which is usually obsessed with "both sides", so their messaging is ALWAYS advantaged, systemically.
The only people who are actually saying anything different right now, within the Republican Party, are Cheney and Kinsinger, who are considered pariahs right now, and those to are STILL right wingers who want low taxes on the wealthy, to end abortion rights, and militarization.
There is wide diversity within the Democratic Party. People regularly speak up in ways that are not in line with general policies of the party. There is a Progressive Caucus within the party, and not every Democrat is a member of that caucus.
I would not have a problem with Turner if she simply said something like, "I don't always agree with President Biden on policies and I will challenge him to... (Whatever the cause is). OR "I am not always going to go along with everything, just because I am a Democrat, when I see things I don't like, I will say it."
Instead, Turner called Joe Biden a "shit sandwich" and has been completely disrespectful.
If she is the candidate that ends up winning the primary, then I am sure that the Party will support her against the Republican candidate. This, however, is the primary and she is not entitled to anyone's support, especially if she is espousing disrespectful ideas like she has.
BannonsLiver
(16,384 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)"Nina Turner had questionable issues with Our Revolution"
Or maybe it should read, " Our Revolution had questionable issues with Nina Turner"!
So much for 'The People's Party'.
Maybe Nina means "SOME of the People's Party"
Yikes!! Get right on it, Lucas Blower! K?
George II
(67,782 posts)NT: I dont think it is our job nor our obligation to fit in. Its their job to fit in with us.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/nina-turner-it-is-not-our-job-to-fit-into-the-democratic-establishment/
betsuni
(25,512 posts)out of the Tea Party book ... and take the Democratic Party hostage ... ."
Nina agrees. Let's all be crazy populists! That will totally own the libs. Vengeance shall finally be Nina's.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)MineralMan
(146,295 posts)That is all...
iemanja
(53,032 posts)Is there a reason other than she hates the Democratic Party?
betsuni
(25,512 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,360 posts)that are critical to our nation's long term success.
I don't support anyone "because they hate the Democratic Party."
I believe the Democratic Party is our nation's greatest hope but only if it truly champions the peoples' best interests over the oligarchs and mega-corporations.
betsuni
(25,512 posts)How does the Democratic Party not champion the peoples' interests over oligarchs and mega-corporations?
Uncle Joe
(58,360 posts)the average American and/or poor have been getting the short shrift since the days of Reagan because the Democratic Party moved to the right which for all practical purposes politically forced the Republican Party off the cliff.
betsuni
(25,512 posts)And accusing the party of forcing the Republican Party off the cliff! Everything's Democrats' fault!
Uncle Joe
(58,360 posts)Now the Republican party primarily being just white and representing commercial interests weren't positioned well politically to expand their electorate (due to their own fault going back to at least the 1960s) as the average person of color didn't have the wealth of the average white person.
Now the greatest beneficiaries (at least in the short term) from Government being separated from the people are major corporations and very, very rich people but when it all hits the fan as it did on January 6th everyone and every institution is at risk.
iemanja
(53,032 posts)is you think that serving monied interests is a recent phenomenon. Have you ever heard of the capitalist state? Where do you think you live?
betsuni
(25,512 posts)Biden has a sliver thin majority in the House and 50-50 in the Senate.
Politically, they didn't have the power. Don't understand your argument of blaming Democrats.
iemanja
(53,032 posts)How has the party moved to the right? I mean now, not when Bill Clinton was President. It is quite clearly further left than in the 1990s. And what do you even mean by moving to the right? Is that what you call speaking to the needs of women and people of color? Because that is the greatest change in the party.
iemanja
(53,032 posts)Because that is what Turner wanted when she announced that voting for Biden was like eating a bowl of shit. How was Trump's first election an advancement of the people's interests? Nina Turner supported Jill Stein, which means she supported Trump. She actively worked to put Trump in office twice. All that is serving the people's interests for you?
Just today the black clergy in her area accused her of lying about her opponent. She lies, and she is running for a place in a party she despises. I don't see how lies and hypocrisy further the people's interests. Not to mention she has absolutely no intention of doing anything to help people. She's running to throw bombs, to blow up the party. She has said as much. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15636575
betsuni
(25,512 posts)"This is a reflection of the Democratic Party. I think if you talk to many of those working class people who voted for Trump, they'll say, 'Look, of course we know he's a liar. We know he's full of shit. But at least he does this, he does that.' Something the Democrats don't do. The Democratic Party is going to have to do an enormous amount of work, really transform itself, and talk about ways to bring working class people on board, and what that means is you've got to represent honestly their interests."
It's not based on anything in reality.
Why did you ask me "All that is serving the people's interests for you?" Did you respond to the wrong post? What's your problem with me?
iemanja
(53,032 posts)Apologies.
iemanja
(53,032 posts)brooklynite
(94,540 posts)There's an ever so slight difference between "not towing the Party Line" and "leaving the Party"
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)telling Democrats what we "need" to do.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)I will be voting in the primary Saturday for Shontel.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Thank you for voting for Shontel!
In It to Win It
(8,249 posts)Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)and those who run for office as Democrats without actually being Democrats should not win primaries...IMHO. Vote Democratic period.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)Thanks for the post Uncle Joe.
Uncle Joe
(58,360 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,307 posts)Disagreement is one thing.
Bowls of shit are another.