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Uncle Joe

(58,360 posts)
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:20 AM Jul 2021

Democrats need to embrace politicians like Nina Turner who don't toe the party line: Lucas M. Blower



AKRON, Ohio -- Politicians are unpopular in the United States. and uniquely so, because they are almost universally unpopular. We agree on virtually nothing in this country. We disagree on social issues, racial issues, gender issues, class issues — indeed, 85% of registered voters described Americans as deeply divided on their values in a poll taken at the end of 2020.

Despite all this disagreement, though, we find common ground in reviling our politicians. The last time Congress had a break-even approval rating, according to Gallup, was in 2003. At the end of 2020, that approval rating had sunk to 15%. Given this persistently low approval rating, we celebrate small victories. Early this year, when a round of stimulus checks pushed Congress’ approval rating to the low 30s, it was being hailed as a success in the press — never mind that over 60% of Americans were still united in their distaste of Congress.

(snip)

The GOP regularly fields candidates who rail against the system. It’s been a winning strategy. And one that the GOP establishment quickly embraced. It’s created some awkwardness, for sure, as a party full of politician-hating politicians is not exactly a coherent governing coalition. Yet this oxymoronic party controls the federal judiciary, holds an effective veto over any action in the Senate, and has a better-than-decent chance of recapturing the House in 2022.


(snip)

There is a lesson here for Democrats. While the GOP establishment has embraced its fiery new members, the Democratic leadership is largely insisting that its members stick to the party line. The consequence of this enforced orthodoxy is that the Democratic party has ceded the votes of political skeptics to the GOP. And the results have been disastrous for Ohio Democrats.

(snip)


https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/07/democrats-need-to-embrace-politicians-like-nina-turner-who-dont-toe-the-party-line-lucas-m-blower.html

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Democrats need to embrace politicians like Nina Turner who don't toe the party line: Lucas M. Blower (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jul 2021 OP
Such bullshit. Democrats should embrace politicians who vote for and with Democrats. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #1
Are you surprised by the OP, rather predictable grantcart Jul 2021 #23
+1...nt SidDithers Jul 2021 #70
No, they don't... SidDithers Jul 2021 #2
There's Not Toeing The Line Me. Jul 2021 #3
Thank you, Cleveland Clergy! Cha Jul 2021 #50
Aha Cha Me. Jul 2021 #52
Democrats should elect Democrats mcar Jul 2021 #4
Nina campaigned for and voted for Jill Stein LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #5
Ridiculous! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #34
No, we don't. She's gone far beyond not toeing the party line. Ocelot II Jul 2021 #6
No... Mike Nelson Jul 2021 #7
Is "don't toe the party line" the new euphemism for "stabs entire party & supporters in the back?" hlthe2b Jul 2021 #8
Fuck that noise. MrsCoffee Jul 2021 #9
fuck that shit. NewHendoLib Jul 2021 #10
Nina Turner warms up the crowd for Jill Stein in 2016. comradebillyboy Jul 2021 #11
As a superdelegate, Turner voted against the 2020 Democratic Party platform lapucelle Jul 2021 #12
She was not mature enough to accept the fact that Bernie lost twice (2016 & 2020) NurseJackie Jul 2021 #41
There was an interesting article in Axios that mentions Nina's calculus lapucelle Jul 2021 #46
'- Turner is running on Sanders' liberal agenda but not his name.' Nixie Jul 2021 #54
Bill Clinton gave Nina an outstanding endorsement in her 2014 race for Ohio SOS. lapucelle Jul 2021 #62
+++ Turner also needs to acknowledge that the Clinton's helped her win the first time. Nixie Jul 2021 #53
That's some bullshit. She actually mak s the situation worse GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #13
+1,000,000 paleotn Jul 2021 #16
I agree. susanr516 Jul 2021 #82
Yes because that's working SO WELL with Manchin & Sinema. New Breed Leader Jul 2021 #14
I'd much rather we run rational candidates.... paleotn Jul 2021 #15
Well in tug of war Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #20
No, that ends with the nation torn apart. paleotn Jul 2021 #26
You don't get mass results without the rhetoric or energy coming first Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #48
Mass results grounded in the rhetoric and energy of a gadfly... lapucelle Jul 2021 #65
Trump wasn't a gadfly, he's just a pseudo populist, oligarch that got tired of Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #71
... lapucelle Jul 2021 #86
+1 betsuni Jul 2021 #60
I am sorry, tug-of-war it's a child's game. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #30
This isn't a "tug of war", this is a fight for our lives and for the soul of the nation. George II Jul 2021 #39
Turner is nothing but trouble. If elected, she would be a guaranteed no vote on everything Biden PortTack Jul 2021 #17
hell no Chili Jul 2021 #18
Well, He Does Blow, Sir, I'll Give Him That The Magistrate Jul 2021 #19
hahaha! Chili Jul 2021 #38
"Nina Turner who don't toe the party line" YA Cuz THAT's Why we got Trump. Budi Jul 2021 #21
Lucas M Blower OnDoutside Jul 2021 #22
Lol good catch LTTE for God sake grantcart Jul 2021 #25
Amazing OPINION PIECE ain't it!! Budi Jul 2021 #29
Facilitated by a GOP dirty tricks op perhaps ? OnDoutside Jul 2021 #55
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" Budi Jul 2021 #57
Lol ! OnDoutside Jul 2021 #59
Democrats need to embrace the Democrat in this race, and that's Shontel Brown. Bleacher Creature Jul 2021 #24
Nope Metatron Jul 2021 #27
Then why run in a Democratic primary DemocracyWins Jul 2021 #28
Lucas M. Blower, whoever that is, needs to stop telling Democrats what they need to do. DFW Jul 2021 #31
Not this lifetime Democrat. She lied about our candidates. Not a chance. LizBeth Jul 2021 #32
No, Nina Turner campaigned against both Hillary and Joe...she basically seemed to prefer Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #33
+1 sheshe2 Jul 2021 #44
Hi sheshe2!!! Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #89
Hey! sheshe2 Jul 2021 #93
Nope Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 #35
Who is Lucas M. Blower? Democrats need to embrace politicians who do NOT endorse politicians.... George II Jul 2021 #36
Hey, Opinion Writer Lucas Blower..here's yet another piece for you Budi Jul 2021 #37
They may have an opening soon. (I'm just sayin') NurseJackie Jul 2021 #87
He's the guy who said this... lapucelle Jul 2021 #56
"Enforced orthodoxy" pffft, what bullshit. relayerbob Jul 2021 #40
No way. Didn't she called the Democratic POTUS a piece of shit? Vinca Jul 2021 #42
Even worse, she called him a bowl of shit. emulatorloo Jul 2021 #45
No. She's toxic. And not trustworthy. See her rousing intro of Jill Stein below: emulatorloo Jul 2021 #43
There is a difference between people who do not "toe the line" and those who undermine. Caliman73 Jul 2021 #47
Lucas Blower can, and should, go fuck himself. BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #49
Whoa!! Hey Lucas..tell us about THIS big ole bowl of shit stank!! Budi Jul 2021 #51
There's this from an interview by The Nation shortly after she became President of Our Revolution: George II Jul 2021 #58
Nina: "What I would love to see the progressive movement do ... is to go crazy. Maybe take a page betsuni Jul 2021 #61
Fuck this shit. Iggo Jul 2021 #63
What Utter Nonsense! MineralMan Jul 2021 #64
why do you like Turner? iemanja Jul 2021 #66
I'm interested in the answer to that question too. betsuni Jul 2021 #67
I believe Nina most passionately champions the too long neglected issues Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #69
What "long neglected issues"? betsuni Jul 2021 #72
I'm hopeful things are changing for the better now, I believe they are but Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #73
No, the Democratic Party has not moved to the right. betsuni Jul 2021 #74
I said politically, Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #75
the bizarre thing iemanja Jul 2021 #79
Clinton and Obama had a Republican-controlled House for six out of their eight year terms. betsuni Jul 2021 #84
I dispute your view of history iemanja Jul 2021 #77
How would Trump's reelection have championed the people's interests? iemanja Jul 2021 #78
I'll let Bernie Sanders answer that: betsuni Jul 2021 #80
Yes, I did respond to the wrong post iemanja Jul 2021 #85
What issues are those? iemanja Jul 2021 #76
Am I supposed to know who Lucas M. Blower is? brooklynite Jul 2021 #68
Fuck that noise. People who hate Democrats need to step the fuck off Maru Kitteh Jul 2021 #81
I live in Ohio Nina Turner is running hateful, lie filled commercials against Shontel. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #91
That seems to describe so much of what she does. Maru Kitteh Jul 2021 #94
Governing is a team sport In It to Win It Jul 2021 #83
We should never vote for candidates who oppose are party at every opportunity...it is a team sport Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #90
Well this thread went about as expected. progressoid Jul 2021 #88
Thank you progressoid. Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #95
Ummmm no. Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #92

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
1. Such bullshit. Democrats should embrace politicians who vote for and with Democrats.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:23 AM
Jul 2021

Without that, there is nothing.

And this candidate doesn't do that.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
23. Are you surprised by the OP, rather predictable
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:01 PM
Jul 2021

What is ironic is that historically "Uncle Jo" is most commonly linked to the term of die hard ultra progressives continued to use as an affectionate term of endearment for Stalin AFTER Malenkov denounced the cult of personality and the SU began de-stalinization. It was used as a badge of honor by "bitter enders" to show no amount of facts could get them to reconsider their earlier position.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
3. There's Not Toeing The Line
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:26 AM
Jul 2021

and then there's Nina. Perhaps you missed the thread where the Cleveland Clergy is calling her out for lies.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215633905

And personally, I question the truth of this article about the Con playbook. Or has them kicking people out of the party for telling the truth gone unnoticed? Does the advice mean we should start telling lies?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
52. Aha Cha
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 04:44 PM
Jul 2021

aloha, nice to see you. And frankly it sure takes a lot of nerve for that woman to run as a DEm and think she should have our support.

Ocelot II

(115,686 posts)
6. No, we don't. She's gone far beyond not toeing the party line.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:27 AM
Jul 2021

She has regularly disparaged the party and its representatives, and is running as a Democrat only because she couldn't get on the ballot otherwise. She would be nothing but a disruptive PITA in Congress.

hlthe2b

(102,261 posts)
8. Is "don't toe the party line" the new euphemism for "stabs entire party & supporters in the back?"
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:30 AM
Jul 2021

It certainly seems so. I'm with the REAL Democrats and black clergy, who are not afraid to call out her constant lies:


lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
12. As a superdelegate, Turner voted against the 2020 Democratic Party platform
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:34 AM
Jul 2021

and refused to endorse our presidential nominees in 2016 and 2020.

Democrats don't "need" to embrace anyone who both supports third party candidates and who is trying to start her own third party.

It's Turner who needs to take responsibility and apologize for her role in helping Trump get to the White House.


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
41. She was not mature enough to accept the fact that Bernie lost twice (2016 & 2020)
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:56 PM
Jul 2021

She was not mature enough to accept the fact that Bernie lost twice (2016 & 2020) and as a result, she refused to support the Democratic nominee BOTH TIMES!!

Each time, her response was to insult, smear, kneecap, work AGAINST the Democrat, encourage people to NOT vote (or to vote for someone OTHER than the Democrat) and generally be a gadfly. It's all about her hurt-feelings and wanting "revenge" on Democrats because she felt that Bernie was entitled to the nomination.

She's NOT a Democrat... she's simply running "as a" Democrat because her own "People's Party" didn't have what it takes to be on the ballot in Ohio. She has no intention of remaining a Democrat once this is over. Her loyalties are ONLY to herself and to her ego and to her fame and fortune.

It's Turner who needs to take responsibility and apologize for her role in helping Trump get to the White House.
Indeed. Her treacherous actions and palling around with Jill Fucking Stein only served to draw votes away from Hillary. Nina-T is no friend of Democrats.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
46. There was an interesting article in Axios that mentions Nina's calculus
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 02:27 PM
Jul 2021

concerning this election

Liberals sour on Bernie

Driving the news: Even some of Sanders’ closest allies — like Nina Turner, his 2020 campaign co-chair, who's running in a hotly contested Aug. 3 Democratic primary for a special election for Ohio's 11th congressional district — haven't been running with his endorsement front and center.

What they're saying: "When I'm knocking door-to-door, people aren't asking me about endorsements," Turner tells Axios. "The race that I'm running is about Ohio 11, and I'm the one running this race."

- Turner is running on Sanders' liberal agenda but not his name.

- "The senator and I are still close," she said. "We forged a strong relationship and we still have that to this day."

- Jeff Weaver, a longtime Sanders aide and consultant to Turner, said in a statement: "The progressive movement is in a period of maturation. Progressives have shown they can inspire voters and win in state after state — as Bernie did in 2016 and 2020. Now, they are showing they can govern in an effective and principled way in coalition with more conservative elements of the party."

snip==================================================================

The intrigue: Turner's political dilemma is more complicated. Aides and backers tell Axios that part of the calculation around Sanders is actually the fact that Ohio 11's voters overwhelmingly embraced Biden last year.

- In a crowded primary, they don't want to give Turner's opponents any easy ways to argue that her ties to Sanders would pit her against Biden or make her unwilling to work with more moderate Democrats.

House Majority Whip Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) recently got involved in Turner's race to endorse one of her opponents, Shontel Brown. Instead of making the endorsement about Brown, Clyburn seemed to take his frustrations with some progressive colleagues out on Turner.

- He told the New York Times his aversion to "sloganeering" and phrases like "defund the police" and "abolish ICE" helped him make this decision — but Turner doesn't call for either of those.

- Rather than describe herself as a Sanders protege, Turner mentions President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Black women who played historic roles in U.S. politics and the voting rights movement: "I'm a Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm Democrat. In the vein of FDR. That's the kind of Democrat I am. I'm a Fannie Hamer Democrat."

https://www.axios.com/the-lefts-bernie-burnout-2a3952b2-d9f7-4f07-90e2-7e22a3105710.html

Nixie

(16,953 posts)
54. '- Turner is running on Sanders' liberal agenda but not his name.'
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 04:49 PM
Jul 2021

Excellent find, lapucelle. Turner did the same things to the Clintons. They are the reason she won the first time, but she turned on them, too. These opportunists are so transparent.

Nixie

(16,953 posts)
53. +++ Turner also needs to acknowledge that the Clinton's helped her win the first time.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 04:48 PM
Jul 2021

She needs to explain why she took their help when it was convenient for her.

She only won because they helped her.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
13. That's some bullshit. She actually mak s the situation worse
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:36 AM
Jul 2021

Because she attacks the legitimacy of the system. So from the left? I hate all forms of populism.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
15. I'd much rather we run rational candidates....
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:40 AM
Jul 2021

Not those caught in some bizarre "Only the perfect. Everything else is a bowl of shit." mentality. That single, grossly irrational statement disqualifies Turner from ever holding any public office. Her judgement and grip on reality are faulty at best.

https://news.yahoo.com/sanders-campaign-co-chair-compares-192803568.html


The authors idea boils down to the GQP is pulling the nation apart from the far right. But, hey! That resonates with some people. So lets do the same from the far left!!! Why? Because Americans revile their politicians!!! Yea, since like 1796.

Uncle Joe

(58,360 posts)
20. Well in tug of war
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:49 AM
Jul 2021

if one side pulls and the other doesn't pull as hard (whether intentional or not), the former usually wins with everyone shifted to that direction.

I believe that's what has happened in general at least since the days of Reagan.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
26. No, that ends with the nation torn apart.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:06 PM
Jul 2021

Spouting populist malarkey from the far left, because the far right is spouting populist malarkey and seemingly gaining attention from it, isn't going to hold any ground. It just makes things worse. Running on achievable goals that actually freaking work, even those that are massive lifts, is a far saner, more rational policy that doesn't end up with a paralyzed democracy at best. A national divorce at worst. Americans want results. Always have. Not bullshit rhetoric.

Uncle Joe

(58,360 posts)
48. You don't get mass results without the rhetoric or energy coming first
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 03:05 PM
Jul 2021

If not from the established powers that be, then from the gadflies.

The nation was and to some degree is tore apart because in my opinion the middle got too comfortable with itself and too many people on both ends of the spectrum became alienated or disfranchised from a near half century shrinking middle class.

Everything is relative and "achievable goals" change with the date and circumstance but circumstances don't change with a fixed status quo of rough parity.

Uncle Joe

(58,360 posts)
71. Trump wasn't a gadfly, he's just a pseudo populist, oligarch that got tired of
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:47 PM
Jul 2021

pulling the strings from behind the curtain to get ultimate power and decided to rule for himself.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
86. ...
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 11:34 AM
Jul 2021
gadfly (n.)
also gad-fly, 1620s, "fly which bites cattle," probably from gad (n.) "goad, metal rod," here in the sense of "stinger;" but the sense is entangled with gad (v.) "rove about" (on the notion, perhaps, of the insect's power of flight or of the restlessness of animals plagued by them), and another early meaning of gadfly was "someone who likes to go about, often stopping here and there" (1610s). Sense of "one who irritates another" is from 1640s (equivalent of Latin oestrus; see estrus). "In strictness, only the females are gadflies, the males being smaller and quite inoffensive, living on juices of plants" [Century Dictionary]. Earlier bot-fly, from bot "skin parasite" (late 15c.).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/gadfly#etymonline_v_1207

gadfly

- Any dipterous insect of the family Oestridae, commonly known as botflies.

- A horsefly: any of various species of fly, of the family Tabanidae, noted for buzzing about animals and sucking their blood.

-(figuratively) One who upsets the status quo by posing upsetting or novel questions, or attempts to stimulate innovation by proving an irritant.

- (derogatory) One who merely irritates without making useful suggestions.

- (derogatory, slang) A bloodsucker; a person who takes without giving back.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gadfly




sheshe2

(83,754 posts)
30. I am sorry, tug-of-war it's a child's game.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jul 2021

This is no game our lives our children’s lives and the very future of our democracy is at stake. This is no game.

PortTack

(32,764 posts)
17. Turner is nothing but trouble. If elected, she would be a guaranteed no vote on everything Biden
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:43 AM
Jul 2021

Proposes...

Chili

(1,725 posts)
18. hell no
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:47 AM
Jul 2021
"The GOP regularly fields candidates who rail against the system. It’s been a winning strategy. And one that the GOP establishment quickly embraced."


That's the only thing I agree with in that pro-GOP op-ed... because Nina Turner is backed by GOP advisors, and fits that role perfectly for them to divide the party so that Dem bills will never pass the House.

And if she wins, the reasonable assertive AOC will regret the day she endorsed this vindictive woman.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
19. Well, He Does Blow, Sir, I'll Give Him That
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:48 AM
Jul 2021



"I didn't think it was anatomically possible, but this both sucks and blows."



 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
21. "Nina Turner who don't toe the party line" YA Cuz THAT's Why we got Trump.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:54 AM
Jul 2021

Gtfoutta here .
Did Nina's RU backed Mecury Global Lobbying Group pay for this vomit?

Mercury was named in Mueller's report as allied with Manafort & RU.

Mercury sponsored Nina's AMARE PR Group.

What Party Line is she towing exactly?

She's used the OH-11 race to run her own self serving, self enriching publicity stunt against the Democratic Party.

She'd drop tbe D as soon as she'd be sworn in.
As does Bernie Sanders, several times actually.

Nina despises the Democratic Party

This article is a whole bunch of purchased propaganda.

To quote the research of DUer NurseJackie:


NINA TURNER supported Jill Fucking Stein when Hillary ran against Trump.
-- she voted for Jill Fucking Stein in the same election.
-- she claims she was asked to be Jill Fucking Stein's running-mate.
-- she refused to support Joe Biden (against Trump).
-- she compared to Joe Biden as a "bowl of shit".
-- she is only grudgingly running "as-a" Democrat because her PREFERRED party couldn't get on the Ohio ballot.
-- she promotes her (so-called) "People's Party" over the Democratic Party
-- she badmouths Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
-- she shows only contempt for the Democratic party


Tell me again with a straight face, which Party she's actually "Towing the Line" for??

Democracy doesn't need what Turner's selling.

"MERCURY IS A RU FOREIGN ASSET."
WHY IS NINA PALLING AROUND WITH RU?
Has she listed AMARE PR with FARA?

Perhaps this bogus paid-for-propaganda writer can answer that question for America.

I'll wait...🙄

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
29. Amazing OPINION PIECE ain't it!!
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:19 PM
Jul 2021
OPINION PIECE by Lucas Blower.

Does he too have a private PAC yet??
Someone got promised a deal for that hard hitting bowl of sh**.

Wow.. 🤢

Metatron

(1,258 posts)
27. Nope
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:12 PM
Jul 2021

I cannot agree with this: "the Democratic leadership is largely insisting that its members stick to the party line. The consequence of this enforced orthodoxy is that the Democratic party has ceded the votes of political skeptics to the GOP. And the results have been disastrous for Ohio Democrats."

 

DemocracyWins

(259 posts)
28. Then why run in a Democratic primary
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:12 PM
Jul 2021

Turner use to be a Democrat but she decided ideology more important. Then try to run in a Republican primary and see if people don’t care about what party you are. See how far you get.

DFW

(54,372 posts)
31. Lucas M. Blower, whoever that is, needs to stop telling Democrats what they need to do.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jul 2021

If there is a lesson here for Democrats, it seems to me that lesson is more like, "don't let yourself get hijacked by extremist elements with their own narrow agenda, so that you don't end up like today's Republicans. It's enough that one of our major parties allowed itself to be torn asunder by nut cases from the outside who have infiltrated in numbers sufficient to take over."

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
33. No, Nina Turner campaigned against both Hillary and Joe...she basically seemed to prefer
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:30 PM
Jul 2021

TFG. I will not ever vote for Nina in a primary...and consider this, I live in the district.

George II

(67,782 posts)
36. Who is Lucas M. Blower? Democrats need to embrace politicians who do NOT endorse politicians....
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:44 PM
Jul 2021

....like this:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15635051

Her Twitter biography: "Alliance against Democrat Establishment Hypocrisy", and one of the graphics in a tweet of hers says:

I was honored to meet Sen. @ninaturner, one of my great inspirations, and humbled by her endorsement tonight at the Saint Arnold Brewery in Houston, Texas, with @OuRevTexas.

Trump is elected as POTUS and is getting rid of the Establishment that Bernie was talking about. The problem with Gov is the Status Quo.

#NoMoreStatusQuo #DraineThe Swamp #FeelThe Bern #MAGA

#IStandWithTrump #DontBlameMeIVotedBernie #FeelThe Bern #MAGA

Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders have more in common than you might expect.

@_SemaHernandez_

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
37. Hey, Opinion Writer Lucas Blower..here's yet another piece for you
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:50 PM
Jul 2021





Is Lucas Blower vying for a hard hitting Opinion Writer spot at Politico?

Just asking...🤪



lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
56. He's the guy who said this...
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 05:36 PM
Jul 2021
In a recent mailer, Brown claimed that Turner “opposed” Clinton “when she ran against Trump.” But, while Turner supported Sen. Bernie Sanders in his primary campaign, when Clinton became the nominee, Turner did not oppose her. The claim that she did is baseless.

Worse than that, though, the accusation is unnecessarily divisive. Democrats need to come together around popular, progressive policies, not polarizing personalities.

Indeed, no less a figure than President Joe Biden himself recognizes that the Democratic Party must adopt progressive policies — championed for years by Turner —if it wants to maintain its majorities in Washington, D.C. In his first 100 days, he aggressively pushed a progressive agenda aimed at getting relief to working people. Now, there is still much to do. But the fact that Biden’s team, when in power, aspires to govern like progressives is proof that candidates like Turner are pushing the party in the right direction.

For her efforts, Turner deserves better than being falsely accused of working against fellow Democrats. Turner is working to make the party better. Implying that she’s working for the other side is not just false, it’s self-defeating.

https://amp.beaconjournal.com/amp/7728935002

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
40. "Enforced orthodoxy" pffft, what bullshit.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:54 PM
Jul 2021

This idiot clearly doesn't understand the long term consequences of supporting politicians who "rail against the system". Governing is not the same as winning at any cost. The GOP has plunged us into political chaos, and adding fuel to the fire by supporting left-wing tea partiers is not going to help, and will likely only serve to help the GOP candidates in any case. So, yeah, let's elect more people like Nina Turner to polarize our society EVEN MORE!

Vinca

(50,270 posts)
42. No way. Didn't she called the Democratic POTUS a piece of shit?
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:58 PM
Jul 2021

There are enough crazies on the right without encouraging them on the far left.

Caliman73

(11,737 posts)
47. There is a difference between people who do not "toe the line" and those who undermine.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 02:56 PM
Jul 2021

I know this guy is some kind of attorney and he apparently has a decent representation in Ohio, but this opinion piece is pretty flimsy. "The GOP regularly fields candidates who rail against the system..." Really? The GOP rails against the established liberal order, and against government, to be sure, but that is what they do. What they are known for. Republicans don't like government "For the People" they want government to enforce the "natural order" of things. Get out of the way of "business", which means, WEALTHY PEOPLE. They all say the same things. They all support Trumpism which is a right wing populism that hides their true agenda.

Also, and one cannot emphasize this enough. REPUBLICANS CHEAT. They win because of gerrymandering and voter suppression. They don't win because people prefer their policies. They have set up the system so that even when they lose, which they do regularly, in terms of the actual number of people who vote for them, they still get more seats.

They also have a complete, coordinated media ecosystem that lies and pushes propaganda. That propaganda filters into the mainstream media, which is usually obsessed with "both sides", so their messaging is ALWAYS advantaged, systemically.

The only people who are actually saying anything different right now, within the Republican Party, are Cheney and Kinsinger, who are considered pariahs right now, and those to are STILL right wingers who want low taxes on the wealthy, to end abortion rights, and militarization.


There is wide diversity within the Democratic Party. People regularly speak up in ways that are not in line with general policies of the party. There is a Progressive Caucus within the party, and not every Democrat is a member of that caucus.

I would not have a problem with Turner if she simply said something like, "I don't always agree with President Biden on policies and I will challenge him to... (Whatever the cause is). OR "I am not always going to go along with everything, just because I am a Democrat, when I see things I don't like, I will say it."

Instead, Turner called Joe Biden a "shit sandwich" and has been completely disrespectful.

If she is the candidate that ends up winning the primary, then I am sure that the Party will support her against the Republican candidate. This, however, is the primary and she is not entitled to anyone's support, especially if she is espousing disrespectful ideas like she has.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
51. Whoa!! Hey Lucas..tell us about THIS big ole bowl of shit stank!!
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 04:21 PM
Jul 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215635907

"Nina Turner had questionable issues with Our Revolution"

Or maybe it should read, " Our Revolution had questionable issues with Nina Turner"!

So much for 'The People's Party'.

Maybe Nina means "SOME of the People's Party"


Yikes!! Get right on it, Lucas Blower! K?

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. There's this from an interview by The Nation shortly after she became President of Our Revolution:
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 06:01 PM
Jul 2021
CM: How will Our Revolution relate to the DNC, the DCCC, the DSCC, that kind of establishment that so many activists and politicians, including you, have frequently criticized?

NT: I don’t think it is our job nor our obligation to fit in. It’s their job to fit in with us.


https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/nina-turner-it-is-not-our-job-to-fit-into-the-democratic-establishment/

betsuni

(25,512 posts)
61. Nina: "What I would love to see the progressive movement do ... is to go crazy. Maybe take a page
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jul 2021

out of the Tea Party book ... and take the Democratic Party hostage ... ."

Nina agrees. Let's all be crazy populists! That will totally own the libs. Vengeance shall finally be Nina's.

Uncle Joe

(58,360 posts)
69. I believe Nina most passionately champions the too long neglected issues
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:42 PM
Jul 2021

that are critical to our nation's long term success.

I don't support anyone "because they hate the Democratic Party."

I believe the Democratic Party is our nation's greatest hope but only if it truly champions the peoples' best interests over the oligarchs and mega-corporations.

betsuni

(25,512 posts)
72. What "long neglected issues"?
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:57 PM
Jul 2021

How does the Democratic Party not champion the peoples' interests over oligarchs and mega-corporations?

Uncle Joe

(58,360 posts)
73. I'm hopeful things are changing for the better now, I believe they are but
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:04 PM
Jul 2021

the average American and/or poor have been getting the short shrift since the days of Reagan because the Democratic Party moved to the right which for all practical purposes politically forced the Republican Party off the cliff.



betsuni

(25,512 posts)
74. No, the Democratic Party has not moved to the right.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:46 PM
Jul 2021

And accusing the party of forcing the Republican Party off the cliff! Everything's Democrats' fault!

Uncle Joe

(58,360 posts)
75. I said politically,
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:16 PM
Jul 2021
the Republican Party had a choice, their party could've started actually representing the average American instead of oligarchs and mega-corporations but as Reagan said "government is the problem" and Bill Clinton said the era of "big government is over" the divide of one party preeminently representing the public from the other which primarily represented big business became less pronounced.

Now the Republican party primarily being just white and representing commercial interests weren't positioned well politically to expand their electorate (due to their own fault going back to at least the 1960s) as the average person of color didn't have the wealth of the average white person.

Now the greatest beneficiaries (at least in the short term) from Government being separated from the people are major corporations and very, very rich people but when it all hits the fan as it did on January 6th everyone and every institution is at risk.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
79. the bizarre thing
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 01:03 AM
Jul 2021

is you think that serving monied interests is a recent phenomenon. Have you ever heard of the capitalist state? Where do you think you live?

betsuni

(25,512 posts)
84. Clinton and Obama had a Republican-controlled House for six out of their eight year terms.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 04:20 AM
Jul 2021

Biden has a sliver thin majority in the House and 50-50 in the Senate.

Politically, they didn't have the power. Don't understand your argument of blaming Democrats.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
77. I dispute your view of history
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:55 AM
Jul 2021

How has the party moved to the right? I mean now, not when Bill Clinton was President. It is quite clearly further left than in the 1990s. And what do you even mean by moving to the right? Is that what you call speaking to the needs of women and people of color? Because that is the greatest change in the party.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
78. How would Trump's reelection have championed the people's interests?
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 01:00 AM
Jul 2021

Because that is what Turner wanted when she announced that voting for Biden was like eating a bowl of shit. How was Trump's first election an advancement of the people's interests? Nina Turner supported Jill Stein, which means she supported Trump. She actively worked to put Trump in office twice. All that is serving the people's interests for you?

Just today the black clergy in her area accused her of lying about her opponent. She lies, and she is running for a place in a party she despises. I don't see how lies and hypocrisy further the people's interests. Not to mention she has absolutely no intention of doing anything to help people. She's running to throw bombs, to blow up the party. She has said as much. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15636575

betsuni

(25,512 posts)
80. I'll let Bernie Sanders answer that:
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 01:36 AM
Jul 2021

"This is a reflection of the Democratic Party. I think if you talk to many of those working class people who voted for Trump, they'll say, 'Look, of course we know he's a liar. We know he's full of shit. But at least he does this, he does that.' Something the Democrats don't do. The Democratic Party is going to have to do an enormous amount of work, really transform itself, and talk about ways to bring working class people on board, and what that means is you've got to represent honestly their interests."

It's not based on anything in reality.

Why did you ask me "All that is serving the people's interests for you?" Did you respond to the wrong post? What's your problem with me?

brooklynite

(94,540 posts)
68. Am I supposed to know who Lucas M. Blower is?
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:10 PM
Jul 2021

There's an ever so slight difference between "not towing the Party Line" and "leaving the Party"

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
81. Fuck that noise. People who hate Democrats need to step the fuck off
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 01:48 AM
Jul 2021

telling Democrats what we "need" to do.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
91. I live in Ohio Nina Turner is running hateful, lie filled commercials against Shontel.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:27 PM
Jul 2021

I will be voting in the primary Saturday for Shontel.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
94. That seems to describe so much of what she does.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:40 PM
Jul 2021

When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Thank you for voting for Shontel!


Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
90. We should never vote for candidates who oppose are party at every opportunity...it is a team sport
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:25 PM
Jul 2021

and those who run for office as Democrats without actually being Democrats should not win primaries...IMHO. Vote Democratic period.

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