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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:02 PM Jul 2021

Afghan vet: 'What have we ended up with at the end of it?'

Images of the World Trade Center towers collapsing in New York were still fresh in the minds of the first American troops arriving in Afghanistan, as the U.S. launched an invasion targeting the Afghanistan-based al-Qaida leaders who plotted the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. More than 800,000 U.S. troops have served in the Central Asian country since then, in a war that quickly expanded to confronting Afghanistan’s Taliban and to nation-building. On Monday, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Scott Miller, relinquished his command in Kabul, underscoring the winding down of America’s longest war.

One-third of the roughly 4 million troops who served in the post-9/11 wars in Afghanistan and Iraq served multiple tours, some in well-secured bases in times of comparative quiet, others facing improvised explosive devices on the roads, mortar and rocket attacks on their positions, and firefights.

While the U.S. quickly succeeded in quelling the al-Qaida fighters behind the 9/11 attacks, Americans leave with the Taliban rapidly claiming fresh territory. Many Afghans fear the return of civil war, or strict Taliban rule, with the Western troops’ departure.

The Associated Press talked to some of the U.S. veterans of Afghanistan as Americans withdraw, after nearly 20 years:

https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-da6f42f8be793081c5bffb2230c371c6

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Afghan vet: 'What have we ended up with at the end of it?' (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jul 2021 OP
Sad stories...... MyOwnPeace Jul 2021 #1
After nearly 20 years gratuitous Jul 2021 #2
And those hippies' parents were MyOwnPeace Jul 2021 #4
Some military contractors & their investors made a lotta, lotta money. -nt CrispyQ Jul 2021 #3
At the end of the series... Javaman Jul 2021 #5
We have leaned the same lesson every other invading army scarytomcat Jul 2021 #6

MyOwnPeace

(16,951 posts)
1. Sad stories......
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:42 PM
Jul 2021

but the same old ending: Look and listen to history.... those that don't will fail again.

And now they want to control the 'history' taught in schools?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. After nearly 20 years
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:42 PM
Jul 2021

Yeah, some of us were asking those questions nearly 20 years ago. For our trouble, we were called soft on terrorism, terrorist sympathizers, enemies of freedom, naive peaceniks, and dozens of other epithets. When we questioned the wisdom of invading Afghanistan, we were nervous nellies. When we asked why Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia (country of origin of 15 of the 19 identified suspects), we just didn't understand how realpolitik worked. When we pointed out that Afghanistan has been known as the Graveyard of Empires for centuries we were told that America Fuck Yeah Exceptionalism would carry the day.

When the veterans returned home either in caskets or broken bodies, we weren't allowed to see it. Too many questions were not answered, they weren't even asked as first the Bush administration and then the Obama administration, and then the former guy's administration kept a pliant media in the dark about what was going on half way around the world. And at the end of it all, the forces of repression come flooding back in like water into a leaky rowboat. Just like the dirty fucking hippies warned you back in 2002 and 2003.

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
5. At the end of the series...
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:46 PM
Jul 2021

“a band of brothers”, a U.S. solder watching a miles long column of captures German soldiers and yelled at them “for what!!!”

I think that same question can be asked, yelled, before, during and after every conflict or war.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
6. We have leaned the same lesson every other invading army
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 03:47 PM
Jul 2021

has learned (especially in Afghanistan). You will not win. W was wrong and foolish. We wasted money, time and many lives for nothing. War is foolish and we should not try to influence people by pointing guns at them or dropping bombs on them. Time to move on in our thinking.

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