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Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:06 PM Jul 2021

Would it be smart for Biden to issue a federal vaccine mandate (within Constitutional limits)

I’m thinking it might be smart. It would help o contain it a bit. There would be legal challenges of course along with militant protest among the antivaxxers and all that. But what it would do is “inoculate Biden and Dems from criticism about growth and spread of the Delta variant.

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Would it be smart for Biden to issue a federal vaccine mandate (within Constitutional limits) (Original Post) Dream Girl Jul 2021 OP
I'm not sure it can be done within Constitutional limits, at least not by executive order. Ocelot II Jul 2021 #1
Maybe when the FDA approves it? pwb Jul 2021 #2
No SoonerPride Jul 2021 #3
I agree Rebl2 Jul 2021 #4
Agree! PortTack Jul 2021 #5
.. roamer65 Jul 2021 #27
I'm as pro vaccine as it gets Zeitghost Jul 2021 #6
It would be better if schools, businesses, sporting event venues, and employers required the vaccine liberal_mama Jul 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #12
I don't think it's a good idea. NH Ethylene Jul 2021 #8
If enough of them survive or aren't on O2 for 24/7. roamer65 Jul 2021 #28
Only about 1 - 5 % of Covid infected people wind up being hospitalized or worse. NH Ethylene Jul 2021 #32
No TheProle Jul 2021 #9
This would have to be an act of congress, not an executive order. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #10
As others have said, this is best handled at the local level. Caliman73 Jul 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #13
You say yes, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #15
You said yes, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #17
Fair enough. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #20
..... MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #23
In your own words, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #26
A lot of people here were pitching concentration camps as a solution the other day AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2021 #19
Yeah, I saw that MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #21
I just couldn't stay aside AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2021 #24
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #25
That would be politically disastrous, in my opinion. David__77 Jul 2021 #29
No. Issue a $2K stimulus check to all vaccinated instead n/t leftstreet Jul 2021 #30
NO it's an experimental drug Raine Jul 2021 #31
It would result in 300 GOP seats in the House and a GOP Senate Sweep in the MT. WarGamer Jul 2021 #33

Ocelot II

(115,681 posts)
1. I'm not sure it can be done within Constitutional limits, at least not by executive order.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:15 PM
Jul 2021

An act of Congress probably would be necessary, and it probably wouldn't survive unless/until the vaccines are approved for normal use.

Zeitghost

(3,858 posts)
6. I'm as pro vaccine as it gets
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:21 PM
Jul 2021

But there is a big line you cross when you force medication or medical care on people.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
7. It would be better if schools, businesses, sporting event venues, and employers required the vaccine
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:22 PM
Jul 2021

The anti-vax people will go nuts if Biden did an executive order.

Response to liberal_mama (Reply #7)

NH Ethylene

(30,810 posts)
8. I don't think it's a good idea.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:23 PM
Jul 2021

The antivaxxers would be up in arms, literally. It could start a civil war.

And I wouldn't blame them, really. I still believe in the freedom to choose what happens to your body, no matter what the consequences. Even if you could justify forced vaccinations in this one case, it would be a slippery slope.

NH Ethylene

(30,810 posts)
32. Only about 1 - 5 % of Covid infected people wind up being hospitalized or worse.
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 12:25 AM
Jul 2021

Which doesn't seem like a lot, but as we have seen, it adds up to huge numbers nationwide.

That leaves 95% of the unvaccinated to rage against such a mandate. And they could have the support of many people who simply believe it violates our civil rights.

Ms. Toad

(34,066 posts)
10. This would have to be an act of congress, not an executive order.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:27 PM
Jul 2021

And it would have to pass constitutional muster by satisfying the commerce clause (harder recently) or bribery by the federal government (like the $$ tied to restricting alcohol sales to 21+)

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
11. As others have said, this is best handled at the local level.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:40 PM
Jul 2021

States, Counties, and municipalities would likely have an easier time legally to mandate vaccinated status for entry into school, or other areas, which would put pressure on people to vaccinate. Issuing a Federal mandate would likely be challenged in court and defeated, then Biden could be criticized for overreach.

The best strategy is for President Biden and every other Democrat to get in front of cameras every chance they get and talk about how people need to get vaccinated and call out Republicans for not doing the same and for casting doubt on the vaccines.

Response to Dream Girl (Original post)

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
14. You say yes,
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:56 PM
Jul 2021

so what happens to the millions of Americans that refuse to get the vaccine?
Fines? Jail?
And how would you get past the courts throwing it out on 4th Amendment issues?
It's that, you know, whole freedom of choice thingy.

Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #14)

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
16. You said yes,
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:04 PM
Jul 2021

so I'm curious just how you would go about enforcing it within the constraints of the Constitution.

Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #16)

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
18. Fair enough.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:07 PM
Jul 2021

My opinion is that it would never pass Constitutional muster and would be struck down before the ink even dried.

Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #18)

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
22. .....
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:13 PM
Jul 2021
I want this over with.


As does everyone with half a fucking brain, of which the majority of repukes seem to be lacking.

Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #22)

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,009 posts)
19. A lot of people here were pitching concentration camps as a solution the other day
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:09 PM
Jul 2021

That said, I do think vaccines need to be mandated for the military, fire/police, medical, and schools.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
21. Yeah, I saw that
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:11 PM
Jul 2021

and decided to stay out of the shitshow.

On the other, I tend to agree with you, those are vital Govt. services.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,009 posts)
24. I just couldn't stay aside
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:21 PM
Jul 2021

And got a hide for calling it out….
The other thing I think should happen is higher insurance premiums - like tobacco surcharges.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
25. +100. nt
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:25 PM
Jul 2021

If I had been on that jury, i would have voted no, but that's just me.
Thanks for fighting the good fight.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
33. It would result in 300 GOP seats in the House and a GOP Senate Sweep in the MT.
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 12:26 AM
Jul 2021

The Federal Gov't has limits and requiring a vax from 340 million people isn't appropriate.

Now States and Counties have more power re: vax passports, etc...

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