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brewens

(13,583 posts)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 10:47 AM Jul 2021

FAA announces all passenger planes will be equipped with a "Karen Hatch". No more diverting

flights. If an unruly "Karen", or "Kevin" cannot be talked down, a parachute will be put on them and they will be ejected out the Karen Hatch. In a perfect world.

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FAA announces all passenger planes will be equipped with a "Karen Hatch". No more diverting (Original Post) brewens Jul 2021 OP
The parachute will have a Bill Gates tracking chip RainCaster Jul 2021 #1
Nobody is going to tell a Karen/Kevin they have to wear a parachute! They have rights and MLAA Jul 2021 #4
LOL! highplainsdem Jul 2021 #2
But if they are ejected @ 36,000 feet they will freeze to death or die from lack of 02 Botany Jul 2021 #3
And? :) n/t brewens Jul 2021 #5
Yeah... SledDriver Jul 2021 #6
We can't live in fear IronLionZion Jul 2021 #9
Funny, But... ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #12
Well the person would have to "leave the plane" between 33,000 to 42,000 feet and it Botany Jul 2021 #17
Beauty!!! ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #20
Science is based on verifiable and repeatable results. Botany Jul 2021 #21
The G Forces Alone ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #22
But would they be able to keep the parachute, or anything else, on? CaptainTruth Jul 2021 #18
Oh, The Getting Off The Plane Is... ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #19
Would most people have a heart attack falling that fast with no parachute and smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #26
Not Sure ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #29
You've read Heinlein's "Starship Troopers"? jmowreader Jul 2021 #27
Enough with Rebl2 Jul 2021 #7
And I say: LW1977 Jul 2021 #14
I guess what Rebl2 Jul 2021 #23
A waste of good silk... YoshidaYui Jul 2021 #8
worth it KG Jul 2021 #10
Heh! YoshidaYui Jul 2021 #13
Nah. They just need a hatch that leads to the cargo hole. GoodRaisin Jul 2021 #11
Some planes actually have one. Angleae Jul 2021 #24
Yup. Have a jail cell down there for anyone who decides to throw a right wing fit. GoodRaisin Jul 2021 #28
In all seriousness KentuckyWoman Jul 2021 #15
Shoot WHITT Jul 2021 #16
or just lock her in a bathroom the entire trip demtenjeep Jul 2021 #25

MLAA

(17,288 posts)
4. Nobody is going to tell a Karen/Kevin they have to wear a parachute! They have rights and
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jul 2021

Freedumbbbbbbbbbbbb! Splat!

Botany

(70,504 posts)
3. But if they are ejected @ 36,000 feet they will freeze to death or die from lack of 02
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jul 2021
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ProfessorGAC

(65,021 posts)
12. Funny, But...
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:17 PM
Jul 2021

...they actually wouldn't.
They'd hit 160 or so feet per second in 5 seconds, and would already fall 400 feet.
Then they fall another 4,000 feet in 25 seconds. They'd be down nearly a mile at that point.
That whole time the atmosphere is very oxygen lean, but not zero.
And they'd warm up quick as the fell.
Open the chute at 2 miles up, and they'd survive.
As to the cold, they wouldn't freeze to death, but part of the ejection plan could include a parka!

BTW: Alan Eustace jumped at 135,000 feet and pulled the chute at 2 miles. More than a 120,000 foot free fall! Admittedly, he was wearing what amounted to a space suit. But, jumps without O2 augmentation gave been done from 10 miles up. That's up there!

Botany

(70,504 posts)
17. Well the person would have to "leave the plane" between 33,000 to 42,000 feet and it
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:59 PM
Jul 2021

would be violent exit too. Some kind of airlock between the cabin and the "out door?"
The person would be sucked out of the plane into a low 02 very cold environment and then
they would have to free fall X # of feet before deploying his or her parachute. Lots of variables
here. I would think the exit from the plane would put the person into shock and they wouldn't
be able to open their parachute.

The only way to really know is to run multiple tests.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
21. Science is based on verifiable and repeatable results.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:40 PM
Jul 2021

Besides where would the person "leave" the plane from? Would the person be hit by the jet's
"wind stream?" Would the person get bounced off the plane's body or tail wings? And even if
the person is able to free fall 15,000 to 20,000 feet before deploying his or her parachute what about
the landing zone? Trees, bodies of water, roads, cactus*, bear dens, and God forbid landing in Oklahoma
things could be tough.


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ProfessorGAC

(65,021 posts)
22. The G Forces Alone
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:13 PM
Jul 2021

Without special clothing & technique, the human body only moves 160 something MPH in air.
The body would go from 550 to 160 in under a couple seconds. 200+ mph/second is about 10g.
Survivable but, quite the shock to the system, already under stress.
I think another tough landing spot would be over one of the Great Lakes! Better be a GOOD swimmer, too!

CaptainTruth

(6,591 posts)
18. But would they be able to keep the parachute, or anything else, on?
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 02:08 PM
Jul 2021

Not to be too gruesome, but I've seen pictures of crash sites with bodies where planes broke up in flight & they're all completely naked. In one case (might have been the Malaysia Airlines flight shot down over Ukraine in 2014?) there were even 2 passengers still buckled into their seats, who appeared to be naked or mostly so. The issue is that when you exit a plane travelling around 550 mph the force of the wind is extreme & it rips everything off.

Again, not trying to be gruesome, that's just the reality.

ProfessorGAC

(65,021 posts)
19. Oh, The Getting Off The Plane Is...
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:20 PM
Jul 2021

...a definite problem.
People aren't aerodynamic like a plane.
But, I think the g forces would be worse than the temporary oxygen deficiency.
Besides, I was kidding around!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
26. Would most people have a heart attack falling that fast with no parachute and
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 10:16 PM
Jul 2021

no protective gear? Or at least completely lose consciousness?

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
27. You've read Heinlein's "Starship Troopers"?
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 10:43 PM
Jul 2021

In the book, the Mobile Infantry was dropped from outer space. They put the "apes" in little capsules, hence the nickname "cap troopers," and fired them out of a tube on the spaceship. That would work with Karens too.

LW1977

(1,234 posts)
14. And I say:
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:22 PM
Jul 2021

Keep up with the Karens and Kevins! It’s awesome, it upsets entitled people and people who’s rod up their butt must have a rod up it’s butt!

Rebl2

(13,501 posts)
23. I guess what
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:31 PM
Jul 2021

I am saying is quit using the names Karen/Kevin. I prefer to call them trumps terrorists. How about that. Is that better?

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
24. Some planes actually have one.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 09:51 PM
Jul 2021

747/767/777 and I assume 787 all have a hatch that lead to the main electronics compartment which has a door to the forward cargo bay.

GoodRaisin

(8,922 posts)
28. Yup. Have a jail cell down there for anyone who decides to throw a right wing fit.
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 12:05 AM
Jul 2021

Right wingers fear everything. So if they fear a trip to the hole, it will be incentive for them to cut the crap.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
15. In all seriousness
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:29 PM
Jul 2021

the Koch brothers or someone need to set up a charter system to move unvaxxed unmasked "freedom" flights with flight crews that agree death is preferable to vaccines.

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
16. Shoot
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:30 PM
Jul 2021

You had my hopes up. I thought they were gonna have some kind of mini-closet where they could stuff them in, after they are duct-taped on their wrists, ankles, and mouth, and just slam the hatch closed. Then the flight could continue without turning around or having to do an emergency landing.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
25. or just lock her in a bathroom the entire trip
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 09:53 PM
Jul 2021

they should never be allowed to screw up other people's plans

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