Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) - what is going on?

[Tadpole Raisin]

I guess I missed this. I just saw an article that reported when Officer Fanone was on CNN (can’t find video) he said that the FOP would not make a statement supporting the officers defending the Capital or condemning the attack.

They have been completely silent compared to other statements supporting other officers in the line of duty.

I have come to believe that white nationalists have infiltrated and are leaders in many areas of law enforcement agencies and the military, something reformed nationalists have stated.

Is this what is going on here? What can be done to get them out?

[bluedevil4]

1. I tried to

get you some info but came up empty

[pecosbob]

2. They would seem to be conflicted.

[gab13by13]

3. I knew a lot of state cops back in the 60's 70's

most of them were racist.

[Earth-shine]

4. They can't support the police officers who testified and still be self-respecting Republicans.

You see what's more important to them.

[mopinko]

5. i think you mean self respecting white supremacists.

splitting hairs, i know.

[LittleGirl]

6. Check Don Lemon's show

He was on last night with officer Fanone for at least two segments.

[Tadpole Raisin]

15. Thanks! I missed your post

nt

[MiHale]

7. Video...CNN interview

[Tadpole Raisin]

9. Thanks for that MiHale!!

I thought it was Jake Tapper. No wonder I couldn’t find it.

He starts talking about them here at the 6 minute mark.

[MiHale]

11. No problem at all...

Welcome to DU! “A Place of Sanity Among the Chaos”.

[wnylib]

14. OMG. FOP deserted the officers

who defended the Capitol and democracy, But they stand by officers who shoot unarmed citizens. They have become the American Gestapo, or perhaps at this stage should be called the American SA.

[msfiddlestix]

32. thx. great clip

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. FOP and many of its locals put out statements the day of the attack condemning it and supporting

cops at the capitol with offers of help in subsequent investigations.

Don't get me wrong, some put out some shitty "both sides" statements ("we understand the frustration..." ) and at least leader blamed antifa on his own feed. But it's not like there's been radio silence.

[Tadpole Raisin]

12. Thanks,

That makes me feel a little better but knowing (or believing) that white nationalists have entered law enforcement and the military in great numbers really concerns me.

I’m going to have to search for the interview I saw of a reformed WN talking about that.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. There's nothing to feel better about, really. The FOP is trash and it's an established fact that

active white supremacists have infiltrated law enforcement and the military. How could they not? They're white supremacist institutions.

[multigraincracker]

10. I see most POAs as

mob lawyers.

[pecosbob]

16. I don't see a compelling need for police unions to even exist.

As for weeding out those for whatever reason not fit to carry a badge, qualified immunity should be replaced with qualified liability and a mandatory insurance requirement. Insurance companies should be able to sort out those that cost more to employ in short order.

[Tadpole Raisin]

18. Very good idea!!

Some people have also said the cost of settlements of lawsuits is passed on to residents of the cities served by those police in the form of increased taxes. That should stop.

If both these changes were implemented those cops would be fired because although morality doesn’t always talk, but money does!

I like it…

[slumcamper]

17. I think it's drifted fascist

This is happening with many of our once-trusted institutions. Rot has set in.

The time is long past for active citizenship--sleuthing and policing the individuals who control and operate within groups such as this and exposing the vermin within. To begin, examine their private life--examine and cull information from their social media presence, associations, and associates.

We cannot repose in a sense of false security an assume that the organizations themselves or Justice Department or any other part of federal or state government will ensure that upstanding principles and ethics prevail.

Active citizenship requires that we police our own. How the citizenry does this in a deliberate and quasi-organized manner--and to what recourse--remain open questions. or We need an organization with the resources and outreach to cast a wide net on this--something like CREW but national in scope.

[msfiddlestix]

19. Excellent catch, and important questions. I eagerly await public response.

[left-of-center2012]

20. A lot of police groups endorsed Trump n/t

[lark]

21. I have always heard that the Union is an institution promoting racism & protecting bad cops.

It's usually them that refuses to investigate anything because blue/white lives matter more than civilians. There were a lot of cops in the crowd, but they are right wingers and haters before they are officers of the law. Cops (especially the union) are a big part of the right wing and the problems with America.

These guys today were not the FOP kind of guys, they are people that actually care about their mission to protect others and aren't just there to protect whiteleys privilege and their chosen, representative, asshole - TFG

[sarchasm]

22. An eye opening article about cops, by a former cop ...

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”
― Yevgeny Yevtushenko

Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

https://link.medium.com/gaGAOAycgib

[LymphocyteLover]

24. excellent article

[Tadpole Raisin]

26. Great article!!

You should consider posting this yourself so it gets more views and not be one of many responses here which might get lost in the crowd. It’s too important for that.

[LymphocyteLover]

23. too many fascist cops

[Mysterian]

25. Promoting fascism is a higher priority for the FOP than promoting the interests of police officers

Watch depraved right-wing propagandists portray the Capitol Police as not "real police" and Nancy Pelosi's personal army.

[Alpeduez21]

27. The FOP has no problem defending its 'brothers' when they kill innocent black people

fuck them

[spanone]

28. 7/27/21 - Fraternal Order of Police Clears Up Confusion as to FOP's Position on January 6 Riots

WASHINGTON, DC - There seems to be some confusion in the media and among paid law enforcement “experts” as to where the FOP stands on the January 6, 2021 riots. While no one has asked us directly, we offer the following for their information:

The National FOP’s position on the January 6, 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol is contained in a statement released even as the lawlessness continued. Those who participated in the assaults, looting, and trespassing must be arrested and held to account.

We continue to offer our support, gratitude, and love to our brothers and sisters in law enforcement who successfully fought off the rioters, and we will be with them as they grieve and recover, however long that may take.

https://fop.net/2021/07/fraternal-order-of-police-clears-up-confusion-as-to-fops-position-on-january-6-riots/

[MagickMuffin]

37. Officer Fanone says the FOP are DOA

I tend to believe Officer Fanone and not the FOP.

[spanone]

38. they're feeling the heat...this statement was put out yesterday...6 months after the fact

[uponit7771]

43. RIGHT !!!

[uponit7771]

42. Yeah, 7/28 FOP leader says they're not watching the news on 1/6 terrorist attack on capital

[Bucky]

45. That's a pretty generic response, noncommittal

It reads like they're straddling the fence.

[AllaN01Bear]

29. when they come begging for money on my phone , i hang up on the.

since they sent monies to tfg they get me mad.

[C Moon]

30. The GOP is purely the party of white supremacy now.

That’s who’s running their show now since russian money and trump have been used.

[Texin]

31. I don't think you're wrong Tadpole. Observational evidence points in that direction.

Most police forces do require at least some post-secondary level higher education, but that can be as minimal as a few semesters in a community college (which I am not sneering at by many means). I think in many working class communities in more rural areas of the country (or in the urban rust belt), the proliferation of Fox "News"-think for the past 30 years has truly and fully mal-programmed peoples' brains. And, and course, it isn't just in rural areas. There are certain people who gravitate to occupations in the law enforcement area and the military who seek not so much to serve the country/community as they do to bolster their own sense of power. I don't lump all law enforcement and military personnel into this group. There are bad actors in every sector of the population. But there are enough in the areas of the military and law enforcement that the need to populate those forces with enough to staff their needs to the extent that it outstrips those forces' capabilities to screen out those who are psychologically unfit (and sometimes outright dangerously psychologically damaged or have been steeped in autocratic or theocratic thinking their entire lives). I don't know what there is to do about it, frankly. But it seems clear to me that the plutocrats of this country want it that way and they'll pay as much as they must to keep fueling it.

[msongs]

34. organized crime does not like what it perceives to be snitches nt

[IcyPeas]

35. here is a clip from Jake Tapper a few minutes ago:

Tapper: FOP regularly defends police officers. That’s your job.. I don’t see you doing it publicly.. Laura Ingraham was giving out fake academy awards accusing your police officers of acting…
Yoes: …I stopped watching the news
Tapper: That’s not news

Link to tweet

[spanone]

39. He's the head of a Union and he doesn't watch the news? Kidding me?

[uponit7771]

41. +1, sounds like an asshole

[XanaDUer2]

36. The FOP endorsed Trump nt

[uponit7771]

40. K&R,

[Maru Kitteh]

44. That seems to be exactly what's going on and I don't know what

solutions there are, only that we must have them.