People want to know what kind of Democrat I am.

[Uncle Joe]

Link to tweet

[The Magistrate]

1. Cute, But No Cigar To A Wretch Who Voted For Jill Stein, Sir

"Don't watch the mouth, watch the hands."

[progressoid]

2. Wretch?

My brother voted for Nader once. Was he a wretch too?

[The Magistrate]

6. How Far Do You Want To Push It, Sir?

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Nader in 2000 served as the left auxiliary of the Republican party, and anyone who supported him gave active assistance to Bush the Lesser and Cheney.

That's just a fact.


"So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot."

[progressoid]

11. Yeah...

I suppose Gore losing FL had nothing to do with the
308,000 registered Democrats who voted for Bush, compared to less than 24,000 who voted for Nader.
Or the butterfly ballot.
Or 87000 illegally purged voters.
Or Katherine Harris
Or the Supreme Court
Or

[The Magistrate]

12. Deliberate Obtuseness Is Offensive, Sir

If you know anything at all about political life, you will be aware that twenty years ago in southern states there were a great many 'legacy' Democrats who maintained the registration they grew up with and occasionally still voted Democrat for local offices, but hadn't cast a vote for a Democrat running for national office since Reagan. You might complete your display of deliberate ignorance by trying to claim Nader was just the guy to woo southern Reagan Democrats back to support for progressive policies, but I doubt you will.

Polling within a year of the time indicated about two fifths of Florida Nader voters wouldn't have voted for anyone else, while a similar proportion would have voted for Gore were the election held sans Nader, and the last fifth would have voted for Bush. The net is Nader cost about 20,000 votes, more than enough to outweigh the usual shenanigans you recite. The matter would never have come near the Supreme Court.

Here is the thing you really ought not try to dance around. Voter purges, even odd ballots, are dirt normal election techniques, they occur in all elections. Priced into the market already, as the saying goes. A widely recognized third party candidate attacking the Democratic candidate from the left is not a usual factor. Where there is an unusual result, and an unusual factor is present, the likelihood the latter is the reason for the former is overwhelming. This a pin Green party candidates cannot wriggle off of, no matter how hard they try. Anyone who doesn't wake up each morning in a whole new world understands this, it's right up there with object permanence as a basic analytical tool.

[progressoid]

17. No need to name call.

Pointing out that Nader wasn't the sole reason for Florida is not obtuse. It's enlightening.

If you know anything at all about political life, you will be aware many political experts cite the butterfly ballot and the final blow to the Gore campaign.

Others say he lost Florida before voting even started by his mishandling of the of the Elian Glonzalez affair.

"Walter Mebane Jr. and Jasjeet Sekhon employed a multinomial model to estimate its effect on the Florida outcome and concluded that it led to a net swing of roughly 50,000 votes from Gore to Bush."

Still others cite the decision to distance himself from the still popular Bill Clinton and the successes they had.

Lets not forget seniors. By 51-47 percent, Gore lost the over-65 vote in Florida. Bush got 67,000 more senior votes than Gore. Had Gore simply broken even with this constituency, he would have won.

And white women typically voted Democratic in Florida, or split evenly. Gore lost them to Bush by 53-44 percent. Had he gotten 50 percent of these votes, he'd have added 65,000 votes to his total.

Etc.

But yeah, it's easier to blame Nader. I didn't vote for Nader but my brother did. He was a life long Democrat, Union leader and educator (he also supported Biden in '08). He wasn't a wretch.

[The Magistrate]

18. I Can Use A Laugh Nowadays, Sir

Good of you to provide one....


"Say something once, why say it again?"

[mcar]

20. He also forgets that Nadir promised

to not actively campaign in contested states.

[Red Mountain]

21. I know a few of those

'legacy' Democrats. There are far more I haven't had that conversation with.

'We're registered Democrats.......but not like that'.

Verbatim.

[Hekate]

3. Wretch, yes. She has not repented in the slightest. She's only using our Party name because...

… her real party can’t cut it. I do not trust her.

[dalton99a]

13. +1. She is not a Democrat.

She is just using the Democratic Party

[Phoenix61]

4. Except she's not a democrat is she.nt

[progressoid]

8. She's not?

[Phoenix61]

9. She refused to back Hillary or Biden after they won the nomination.

So no, I wouldn’t call her a Democrat in good standing.

[question everything]

14. Plus saying that voting for Biden is like eating a bowl of sh*t. And never took it back

[brooklynite]

15. Not any more.

It’s official! Sen. Nina Turner is running for Congress. She’s running for the seat vacated by Rep. Marcia Fudge, who Joe Biden has chosen as secretary of Housing and Urban Development. The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat, but we can’t think of anyone better to win that seat and bring a friend of the People’s Party to Congress.

Movement for a People's Party

[Hortensis]

5. Is that why she refused to vote Democratic in 2016 and called on others

to defeat Democrats by leaving the party, thus helping tRump and the rabid antitax, antigovernment Republicans take over? Her "kind of Democrats" helped elect conservative extremists who are determined to root progressivism and liberalism out of government.

Her "kind of Democrat" rejected all the plans Democrats in congress and state houses had for national healthcare, climate action, housing, pharmaceuticals, and equal pay and protections, and hundreds of other issues.

If we were all "Turner's kind of Democrat," our liberal progressive government would be dead and buried.

Progressivism is not just a factional label or the torch that some use for setting political fires -- it's a real way of governing ourselves to create the very real blessings we depend on every day of our lives. If we don't protect them, we will lose them.

[oasis]

7. +1,000,000x1,000,000

[Cha]

10. This is what NT has to say about our Democratic President..

Joe Biden..

Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Rips Biden: Choosing Between Him and Trump is Like Eating From a ‘Bowl of Sh*t’

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213815901

I don't want to know.. I already know.

[Autumn]

16. Me too! Amazing as a life long Democrat now...

I’m a #MedicareForAll Democrat
I’m a #GreenNewDeal Democrat
I’m a #PROAct Democrat
I’m a #RaiseTheWage Democrat

[mcar]

19. I'm a Jill Stein voting not so much a Democrat

unless I can get elected that way.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. Will she be a team player when it counts.

If she won't, then everything else is kind of meaningless.

[George II]

23. I am a Democrat, no modifiers or disclaimers. And I don't think my President is a bowl of shit.