This is what happens when you vote for Justice Democrat endorsed candidates.

[BlueLucy]

Link to tweet

[WarGamer]

1. Some people have posts hidden for less... be careful.

[Hekate]

9. If it is factual, why would it get hidden? And it appears to be distressingly factual. nt

[NurseJackie]

17. Aw.

[George II]

18. Right?

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[bottomofthehill]

2. Interesting mix of D's and R's

Too far to the right and too far to the left to find the middle.

[Hortensis]

57. :) Exactly.

[AZProgressive]

3. It looks like it passed the House

I don’t worry so much about votes over bills that pass by such large margins.

I’m interested in their reasons.

[BlueLucy]

5. Probably their defund police bullshit.

[AZProgressive]

8. That is about reducing funds and spending it on social programs

I do like Cori Bush’s bill when it comes to mental health.

Link to tweet

[Budi]

16. Nice statement. Too bad its somebody elses. Did she credit or claim it as her own?

That's the reason she voted against the Cap Police funding to protect these Reps lives, & against the Afghan support to keep them from being beheaded & killed?

What was Chip Roy's reason for the No Vote?

[Budi]

19. President Biden, Apr 2021

When police respond to a person gripped by a mental health or drug crisis, the encounter can have tragic results. Now a government insurance program will help communities set up an alternative: mobile teams with mental health practitioners trained in de-escalating such potentially volatile situations.

The effort to reinvent policing after the death of George Floyd in police custody is getting an assist through Medicaid, the federal-state health insurance program for low-income people and the largest payer for mental health treatment.
President Joe Biden’s recent coronavirus relief bill calls for an estimated $1 billion over 10 years for states that set up mobile crisis teams, currently locally operated in a handful of places.

https://apnews.com/article/health-police-government-and-politics-mental-health-coronavirus-f8931f4907b46b49dfb4dea651d7e1e7

Yes, Rep Cori Bush, Your President is already addressing that. What's your next reason for that NO vote?

[AZProgressive]

23. I think post #6 addresses why

The poster is right in the sense it wasn’t a lack of funding for the Capitol police as to why 1/6 happened. There was probably some failure or worse at the top of the chain of command level but the frontline police and first responders are heroes.

I’m a disabled veteran so am interested in having mental health professionals handle mental health emergencies. I also support having a fully funded VA.

[sheshe2]

24. The failure was from the very top.

Trump orchestrated the whole thing through his minions.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

28. You speak truth to power sheshe2.

[sheshe2]

47. Thank you my friend.

[BlueLucy]

27. +1

[BlueLucy]

25. That's not her idea

[AZProgressive]

43. I don't really care who comes up with the ideas

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The issue of mental health treatment is personal for me so I’m interested in solutions rather than personalities.

[George II]

29. The department that is being funded in that bill is the Capitol Police. They're not a city or....

....municipality police force. What "social programs" are there on the grounds of the Capitol?

[Cha]

33. Mahalo for the Reality Check!

[AZProgressive]

42. I was addressing the reply to me

I was explaining what DTP is.

I don’t think they voted against it because of DTP.

[BlueLucy]

7. The way you vote matters.

We are all interested in how people vote come election time... Primary elections especially.

[AZProgressive]

10. Krysten Sinema beat a Justice Democrat endorsed candidate in her primary

I have been disappointed but not surprised with Sinema.

[BlueLucy]

12. How do we know the person Sinema beat would not have voted like Sinema or worse?

Some of those JD endorsements have been against abortion, civil rights and other things.

[AZProgressive]

44. Sinema was one of the most conservative House Democrats

It was easy to predict Sinema would act this way.

[Cha]

68. Of course.. TY!

[Hortensis]

58. A huge reason is also that dissenters must dissent or lose both

their political identity and the followers who are drawn by it. So they do this fairly often, and it's almost always innocuous.

This (1) highly publicized bill offered them (2) the opportunity to act out dissent for their donors and other followers (3) without doing harm that would lead to backlash.

[betsuni]

61. Exactly this.

[AZProgressive]

62. I support Democrats

I know that is a rule here so I follow it. I support Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and I’m also a monthly recurring donor to Justice Democrats. This doesn’t change my support either way, I think post #6 laid out their reasons but most of their support comes from small donors like myself.

[Hortensis]

65. Well, sounds like you believe you're able to slice up that baby

without hurting it.

Most rigid dissidents may lean "radical" but are not actually extremists or aggressively antagonistic populists. JD, though, doesn't just dissent; its core of extremists is actively hostile to the Democratic Party.

Hear they're posing as less alarming pragmatic Democrats now (but still, as always, more principled than the real things), because vicious social media lies, calling for people to vote against Democrats and insisting Trump was at least unlikely to be any worse, etc, lost them more of the voters they're trying to draw than gained. But their leaders haven't had personality changes, and I don't know how one would give money to them without having it used to further hostile goals.

In your situation I think I'd reverse my support -- go to JD to say good things about Biden but donate to Democrats. But of course continue to vote Democrat.

Whatever. Rep. Ocasio-Cortez et al are operating from within the Democratic Party because it's America's huge center of progressive power. It's where progress is made. But representing progressives of every faction makes it necessarily more moderate, and "pragmatic," than a small faction can be, which gives them plenty of opportunity to dissent. But as I pointed out, they so far are doing it within protective limits, not like MT Greene and the other self-destructive whackjobs RW voters sent. If they go too far for their colleagues, they apologize to the powers that be while counting whatever increase in donations it brought in.

[Hekate]

69. +1

[rickyhall]

4. I totally don't understand.

[droidamus2]

6. They had some good points

One of the main points they had was just throwing money to the police without determining what went wrong on Jan 6 and other considerations of how the capitol police handle protests by different groups on the right and left will not solve the problem. They were not voting against capitol security they were saying there were ways to make it functionally a lot better and therefore they could not vote for it.

[Budi]

20. Really? Explain that denial of protection services to those Cap Officers.

Explain that denial of assistance to our Afghan allies who face certain death without the US honoring the risks taken for our troops.

We'll be waiting...

[Mariana]

59. None of that has been denied. The bill passed. nt.

[MrsCoffee]

75. Perhaps, but with no help from them.

All the excuses in the world won't make their record look any better on this vote. They voted against providing those services in the bill.

[sheshe2]

26. What went wrong was from the very top of the executive branch.

It had nothing to do with those on the front line, alone and abandoned from those at the top.

Did you listen to any of the hearings? Did you listen to their testimony?

They protected every member of our houses for more than a dozen hours as terrorists slammed their head in door, tried to gouge their eye out, called them N*****, called to grab his gun!!! Shoot him with his OWN GUN! Pepper sprayed, bear spray, stun guns, flag poles, bats, hockey stick and a whole lot of anger.

One of the main points they had was just throwing money to the police without determining what went wrong on Jan 6 and other considerations of how the capitol police handle protests by different groups on the right and left will not solve the problem.

Ah, the whole 'both sides do it canard'. I have yet to see the left march on the capital to try to overturn the certification of a Presidential election while armed and carrying a guillotine threatening to hang members of our houses and the sitting VP.

One member that voted no hid in a closet. Terrified and went on multiple shows saying how terrified she was. Another was in her office and found all the panic buttons disabled. They were terrified.

Great call to vote against funding them.

[droidamus2]

70. Didn't say ...

My point on how police handle protests in no way indicated that the protests or the treatments are equal. My point is that left wing protests seem to bring out a much more violent response than right wing protests. The right tried to claim the seditionists were really BLM and Antifa people trying to make the right look bad. Do you think that if a bunch of people of color and leftists attacked the capitol like this group of right wing traitors did that they would not have been met with more violence. I understand in this case Fat Donnie and his minions were doing their best to hamstring the Capitol Police and that has to be looked into so it cannot happen again. Do we need to support the capitol police sure but again just throwing money at it without the determination of the proper solutions to be implemented isn't the best idea. Though this was generated by 1/6 it doesn't mean they can't take a wider look at the operating procedures overall. Besides as somebody pointed out the negative votes didn't make a difference anyway. A lot of time politicians use a particular vote to make a point when they know they are going to lose anyway.

[George II]

30. 217 Democrats voted for it, but "they could not vote for it"? Remember, those six voted WITH....

....five right wing republicans, including Chip Roy.

So they voted against the entire bill, including relocating Afghans who supported our troops and are facing death, simply because they want to determine what went wrong on Jan 6? Did they watch the testimony the day before they voted Nay?

[Demsrule86]

72. No they didn't. The Cap police saved our bacon on January 6th. I wouldn't vote for any of them

in a Primary...only a general.

[Budi]

13. They aligned with the Republicans. Stood on some manufactured 'principal' of but..but..but...

Nontheless, This is what came through loud & clear. How can it not.

"The Justice Dems squad just voted against keeping our Congresspeople safe

AOC, once quoted as saying “I thought I was going to die” during the riot voted AGAINST protecting the Capitol

They saw what happened on Jan 6th & apparently don’t care whether or not it happens again"

"Recall when Cortez derrided VP Harris?"

"So according to Cortez it was wrong for MVP to warn migrants not to come here because it’s unsafe but according to their united NO vote, it’s ok to leave Afghan translators to be beheaded & killed?"

Explain what they now say to those Afghans, & those Cap Police.

They voted with Chip Roy?

[Cha]

34. Sounds really grateful for the Capitol Police

saving their lives By Voting against better funding for them to DO Their JOB!

And, I don't want to hear any ******* excuses.

This is another reason for Ohio 11 to vote for Shontel Brown.. she would no doubt VOTE for Funding the Capitol Police!

[Budi]

35. The message that came thru above the excuses was clear & seen by everyone.

The last person Congress needs is Turner.

[Cha]

36. Absolutely! There's already

more than Enough Already!

[Cha]

38. Just so you know.. I posted this

below.. kinda puts in perspective, imv

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15679011

[Budi]

45. It certainly does, Cha thanks

[Cha]

49. You're Welcome, Budi

[stillcool]

15. don't let the perfect stand in the way of progress

Noting wrong with voting against something you know will pass, as a matter or principle. But these days, there is such angst, why add to it? On principle.

[mcar]

22. What was the point of this vote?

Just feeds into the ridiculous "defund the police" nonsense.

[betsuni]

41. That's what I want to know. What was the point?

[Cha]

32. Rt TY.. ya sure do.

[Cha]

37. This is who the Squad & the 5 repubs Voted

against..

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

39. Wonderful picture, wonderful comments!

[Cha]

40. Yes the comments are Precious & Grateful!

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

46. That is a beautiful image, Cha.

Thanks so much for posting.

[Cha]

50. You're Welcome, she, TY

[SYFROYH]

51. I respect protest votes as long as bills pass

I don’t see a problem.

[NurseJackie]

52. I have more respect for team players who don't have time for showboating and grandstanding.

The nature of politics is that concessions and compromises must be made, common-ground must be found... and no bill is going to be perfect.

All I'm trying to say is that the type of elected representative that I respect the most are the ones who are mature enough to understand the real world and don't let their egos get in the way of progress.

[SYFROYH]

53. Yeah, I can see why you would think that.

I don't think statements like protest votes that seek to say that we should do better are about egos.

It's all part of the big picture.

[NurseJackie]

54. Ridiculous. Of course they are.

It's showboating. If someone wants to make a "statement" then they can use Twitter.

[Cha]

55. Not only that but it's seriously

ungrateful for having their lives saved by the Capitol Police.

Link to tweet

I don't care what excuses they have.

[BlueLucy]

67. A third officer killed himself..

These are the officers they refused to support. That's how I see it and that's how most people will.

[droidamus2]

71. Sounds like...

I am sorry but the 'they need to be a team player' sounds a lot like the kind of crap the Republicans do on their side. That is go along to protect the part and stay in what the leadership tells you instead of being a representative. They are elected to represent their constituents not their party. I have no problem with descent from within the ranks sometimes that is the only way to make progress. On the other hand I appear to be way more progressive than a lot of the Democrats in DU so it is understandable that we wouldn't see eye to eye on this subject.

[ripcord]

56. And I have no problem seeing this as siding with conservatives

Just because they are protesting doesn't mean we have to buy it.

[Demsrule86]

73. I don't. I respect loyalty to our party.

They did not need to vote this way as they are not in a red state situation. It was their choice and I disagree with it. None of these folks are in my district or state. But should they run for president, I would not vote for any of them in a primary...only a general.

[fishwax]

60. you get a bill that passes 416-11? The horror.

[Celerity]

63. +1

[Cha]

64. That doesn't excuse them not voting

to help fund the capitol Police who helped save their lives.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

66. Kick

[Demsrule86]

74. K&R Trying to remember to kick good posts...sometimes I forget. (ADHD)

[Cha]

76. Kick for the Capitol Police!