Could you live without bacon? Bacon may disappear in California as pig rules take effect

[hunter]

DES MOINES, Iowa — Thanks to a reworked menu and long hours, Jeannie Kim managed to keep her San Francisco restaurant alive during the coronavirus pandemic.

That makes it all the more frustrating that she fears her breakfast-focused diner could be ruined within months by new rules that could make one of her top menu items – bacon – hard to get in California.

"Our number one seller is bacon, eggs and hash browns," said Kim, who for 15 years has run SAMS American Eatery on the city's busy Market Street. "It could be devastating for us."

At the beginning of next year, California will begin enforcing an animal welfare proposition approved overwhelmingly by voters in 2018 that requires more space for breeding pigs, egg-laying chickens and veal calves. National veal and egg producers are optimistic they can meet the new standards, but only 4% of hog operations now comply with the new rules.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2021/08/01/california-bacon-ban-state-enforce-animal-welfare-proposition/5447260001/

Cheap bacon is not a human right.

If all the cheap factory farm pork disappeared from the supermarkets tomorrow the world would be a better place.

[WarGamer]

1. The underground black market will thrive, lol...

"Hand me the pound of bacon under the table and I'll leave the cash on the table..."

[TheBlackAdder]

15. If you've seen the litteral shit they wallow in, and cross contaminate infections at large farms...

.

Those pigs are pumped with all kinds of antibiotics to prevent a mass die-off.

You're eating that shit because the meat is rife with it.


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Having once owned pigs, they require space and separation. Many of these large farms cram in 50-60% of the available space with pigs, so they have to constantly bump into one another just to move around.

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[Blue_true]

53. I grew up eating pastured pork.

It is truly superior pork.

I don’t understand why the marketing geniuses haven’t figured out that giving chickens, pigs, cows, ect more space to move around produces a better product, and likely lower producer costs (when die off and drugs are eliminated).

[Sneederbunk]

2. I see a new proposition coming for the next election.

[Politicub]

96. Yes on bacon will be written to make the meat trade more brutal than ever.

It will be promoted by industry, and used to weaken any animal welfare laws.

Just vote Yes.

California's system for referendums is a double-edged sword, and makes it too easy for the rich and secretive PACs to sway public opinion.

[ansible]

3. WTF is going on with California?

Why does life keep getting worse?

[stopdiggin]

12. all is not lost. always have MS, LA and AL

as go to alternatives

[hunter]

14. This will make the world a better place.

Raising hogs in factory farms is bad for the workers, bad for natural environment, and bad for our own human spirit.

I've eaten pigs our family has raised, but not here in the 21st century. Growing up we frequently ate animals we'd seen alive. I've also eaten wild pigs friends and family have shot.

I'm not a radical vegan, but I am mostly vegetarian these days in hopes of reducing my environmental footprint.

The new California regulations slightly improve the conditions pigs are raised in, but it's progress.

It's also an opportunity for farmers who are willing to comply with the law.

I often wonder WTF is wrong with Iowa? Nobody wins in a race to the bottom. There's always going to be someone willing to abuse their workers and animals and the environment more than the next guy.

Cheap bacon is not a necessity.

[LymphocyteLover]

61. Yes, also the real future is cultivated meat not from animals

[lame54]

70. It's gets better if your a pig...

Humane treatment costs a little more

[Caliman73]

84. It isn't getting worse.

This ISN'T a new rule. The proposition was created before the 2018 elections and had been proposed before. 4 years were given from the passing of the legislation to the implementation for industry people to adopt the new standards.

This is what happens all the time here. People kick the can down the road, then when the date, they absolutely knew was coming, actually arrives, they act as if they were blindsided. They know that a certain (and unfortunately large) percentage of the population does not follow legislative measures, so when they hear that "bacon may be off the table" they get all worked up like, "How did that happen?" We voted it in. That is how it happened.

California is a huge market for pork products, the producers will adapt, or they will lose a huge portion of their customer base.

[lagomorph777]

93. Alarmist nonsense. People will have to raise pigs humanely.

The sky is not falling. It's bacon, people. It may make your breakfast cost a few cents more. And taste better. Or you can go vegetarian or vegan, like me.

[jcgoldie]

4. Its not going to be a world without bacon

The premise is rather silly. It means that at worst the prices will rise to match the increased cost of supply. So your bacon and eggs cost $5 instead of $3.50 at the same diner... gosh is that too much of a sacrifice for the ethical treatment of animals as an advanced society??

[Merlot]

32. The alarmist framing and the victimized hard working cafe owner reeks

People need to know the truth about the meat they eat, uncomfortable as that is.

[lagomorph777]

94. Yup.

[Auggie]

5. This would affect all pork products, not just bacon.

I'm okay with that, too.

[jeffreyi]

6. Too damn bad.

Buy your pork from local, responsible farmers. It can be done. There's a small producer in my area, his animals are treated well, and the meat is excellent and better for you than the factory farmed stuff.

[Sneederbunk]

8. There are almost 40 million people in California.

[hunter]

18. So what?

If fewer people eat bacon that's a good thing.

I haven't bought any for the duration of this covid crisis.

Previously I've only bought it when carnivorous family are visiting, maybe once or twice a year.

If people eat less pork because the price is rising that's a *good* thing.

But that's not my "secret" agenda, if anyone accuses me of that.

For me it's all about respecting the animals we eat.

[LeftInTX]

71. That's alot of tamales that won't get made...

[hunter]

74. Traditional tamales have all sorts of fillings...

... sweet or savory.

I grew up with XLNT beef tamales, largely unaware there was any other sort.

My wife's family always makes a variety of tamales for Holidays and other special occasions.

[LeftInTX]

75. Sorry, but greasey pork is the thing

Masa is kinda dry, so pork remains the most popular

[hunter]

77. Turkey tamales made with olive oil or turkey fat are good...

... and turkey meat is an authentic Mesoamerican food.

Green chiles and an oily cheese are another alternative to pork.

Here's a recipe for Kosher tamales...

[Klaralven]

38. There are 1400 million Chinese customers for US pork products

[Sneederbunk]

48. Doubt if there are many Californians who want to move to China to get their breakfast.

[hunter]

73. They get the pork and we get to keep the shit?

I guess turnabout is fair play.

For years they've been getting the toxic industrial wastes and we've been getting the consumer goods.

[Backseat Driver]

7. I buy from local small farmers who raise pigs

with the care nature intended for my not inexpensive bacon and consider it a special tasty treat on my plate and in my recipes! Unfortunately, my budget like most others doesn't allow complete adherence for all meat on my plate. I doubt that the 1% give a hoot as well, being more concerned with their "pork bellies," i.e. profits/market investments.

[Silent3]

9. I'm pretty happy with turkey bacon n/t

[cbabe]

10. Largest pig business

Smithfield's is Chinese owned.

All about corporate profits.

[CentralMass]

22. China bought Smithfield to insure supply to China.

[RockRaven]

11. This law passed three fucking years ago. Pork producers had plenty of time to adjust their

operations, and chose not to. They purposely cut themselves off from 1/8th of the customers in the country. So be it.

For the most part egg producers didn't make that same decision, they adjusted their operations to keep those possible customers.

The majority of the supply/price disruption will be temporary anyway. Some of the pork producers will scramble to gain/regain that market share.

[abqtommy]

13. Short reply: yes, I can live without bacon.

[Initech]

16. Give me a pork butt, some dry rub, and a smoker and I'll make my own!

[LizBeth]

17. I love bacon and have not had it for 3? yrs just cause. Pigs are smart, bacon is about all fat, and

expensive so though I love bacon, who doesn't, I just do not buy it anymore.

[Treefrog]

51. Same here.

Really not a hard deciion.

[Baked Potato]

19. Just in time to choose sides. Nt

[hunter]

20. First the Democrats came for our guns. Now they want our bacon!

Except it hasn't happened and won't happen.

[Baked Potato]

65. Yes, exactly.

[multigraincracker]

21. Here is the best advice I ever got.

Eat to live
Don't live to eat


I learned when I was young, everything taste good when you are hungry.

[orwell]

23. I worked in a pork processing plant...

...in South San Francisco for 3 weeks when I was young.

I worked on the bacon and ham lines.

I never ate bacon, ham, or hot dogs again after that experience.

If you could see what went into these products you wouldn't ever eat them again either, unless you enjoy eating cancerous meat cured in a brine that melts the soles of your shoes within a week.

Now I am mostly vegetarian. The only meat I occasionally still eat is wild caught fish. But even that is diminishing the older I get.

[PCIntern]

24. Mmmmm...shoe-melting brine!!!!

Ever put a tooth someone had extracted in Coca Cola? It liquifies in no time.

[orwell]

34. After my second day of working on the ham line...

...I asked the butcher what the discolored pork that had large gelatinous areas and malformations was. As he deftly removed and threw the disgusting masses into a large stainless steel rolling cart, he explained that the meat was cancerous or had tumors.

I assumed the cart filling with bloody cancerous meat would be discarded, sent to a rendering plant like old horse parts. When it was filled he told me to roll it over to the hot dog line.

"What will they do with it?" I asked.

"Put it in the hot dogs," he replied. "They cook it at such a high temperature all that stuff will be dead anyway."

So I dutifully rolled the cart to the hot dog line where other discard carts awaited. I was sick to my stomach thinking about all the hot dogs I had eaten up to that point in my life.

And this plant was considered one of the high quality producers in the area. Their pork products sold for a premium price at the local Safeway stores. It was not bottom of the rung quality by any means.

The only way you could make shoes last for any length of time was to get steel sole reinforced shoes. You were constantly standing in a solution of water, animal blood, and sodium nitrate/nitrite brine.

When I asked the butcher how he had put up with such working conditions he said - "wait until you see your paycheck..."

I got laid off within 3 weeks for unloading a box car too fast (the union rep said it was supposed to take 3 days and I figured out a way to do it in less than a day using a simple conveyor system.) I thought they would appreciate my efficiency!

Good times...

[Celerity]

72. OMFG, this is deffo top ten most disturbing DU posts I have ever read here

large gelatinous areas and malformations was. As he deftly removed and threw the disgusting masses into a large stainless steel rolling cart, he explained that the meat was cancerous or had tumors.

I assumed the cart filling with bloody cancerous meat would be discarded, sent to a rendering plant like old horse parts. When it was filled he told me to roll it over to the hot dog line.

What the fuckery!!!

[hunter]

35. The majority of people doing this work are easily abused recent immigrants...

... many of them undocumented.

They lose their jobs if they complain about anything.

The pork processors shield themselves by using sketchy labor contractors.

If a processing plant gets busted for using undocumented workers the owners know nothing.

I'm fairly certain there are pork processors who have anonymously called ICE on themselves when workers started to organize informally and gather up the courage to complain about worker or food safety issues.

I once worked for a temp agency that specialized in disposable workers.

My worst job from them, maybe my worst job ever, was watching over this huge machine that automatically sorted customer returns. It was so loud I wore foam earplugs I bought myself, even though they were not required. Unfortunately this machine would sometimes jam and barf all the returns out onto the floor. It was my job to run up and down the line unjamming the machine with a long wooden pole and then shove all the barf back onto the input conveyor, preferably without stopping the line. Whenever I did stop the line the supervisor would scold me.

The first few days I assumed the machine was broken and I'd be out of a job as soon as they fixed it. Then I asked a coworker about it and she said they were never going to fix the machine and they'd been hiring guys like me for more than a year.

When I quit the woman at the temp agency told me I'd never find work in that city again but she was full of shit.

[MFM008]

25. I dont eat pork

And i dont miss it.

[panader0]

26. Jeannie bought a brand new stove and refrigerator, shiny black,

and a rather big purchase for her. The one thing she does not allow me to cook on it is bacon.
It splatters too much. A few times I cooked it outside on the grill on a sheet of steel. Too much fuss,
so I've just about given up bacon. As you and others have pointed out, bacon is not healthy.

[obamanut2012]

27. I buy pretty expensive local, humanly raised bacon

Well, the pigs were raised humanely, the bacon is just delicious.

It generally costs $12 (sometimes it's $9 or $10, sometimes $14 or $15). It cooks up nice and thick and smokey and yummy, with little shrinkage. We buy it at a local greenmarket-type place, with a hipster vibe, but with generally very good prices on produce and eggs and homemade bread products.

The two of us only eat it every Sunday with eggs and a blueberry-lemon biscuit or crumpet, before golf. Bacon is so good, but not healthy, so one or two slices a week only for us. It is, as one of my best friends says, meat candy. I have a lot of sympathy for restaurant owners, but the good stuff is so much better than the cheap stuff, and no hog lagoons or pig cages.

[iemanja]

28. Yes

I can and do live without meat.

[Maru Kitteh]

29. GOOD. nt

[jalan48]

30. There are soy based bacons on the market that I think taste similar to the real thing though

my son disagrees.

[Happy Hoosier]

69. Ugh!

Soy is pretty inflammatory.

Not to mention is tastes like a a pale shadow of the real deal. Don’t be afraid of healthy fats, but avoid those junk fats lime soy, canola, corn, etc. The nutrition industry has been dead wrong for the last 50 years.

[jalan48]

81. Definitely better than pork though.

[Happy Hoosier]

89. There is no evidence for that.

Seriously. Check it out. The idea that saturated fats lead to heart attacks is unsupported by ANY controlled studies.

OTOH, controlled studies that look at very low carbohydrate high fat (including saturated fats) diets show a marked improvement in health markers.

I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes last year. I was 376 pounds with high cholesterol, high blood pressure... basically a mess. For the last year I have eaten a VLCHF diet with plenty of saturated fats (butter, bacon, you name it). I have lost 120 pounds (!) my A1C has gone from 10.6 to 4.8, my blood pressure has normalized, my triglycerides were cut in HALF, and HDL has doubled..... all counter to the nonsense we've been told over the last 50 years.

There are very good biochemical reasons for all of this.

[jalan48]

97. N Carolina has millions of tons of pigs feces in lagoons and whenever it looks

like a hurricane is approaching folks get worried about what could happen with that shit. Raising animals for consumption isn't sustainable on a large scale.

[Happy Hoosier]

99. Sounds like we need some environmental regulations.

Not saying there are not issues, but I will not be going vegetarian....

[jalan48]

101. My son isn't a vegetarian and I'm fine with that. I think climate change is going to bring about

some serious changes in what people can eat. You can grow more grains and vegetables per acre to feed people than you can to feed to animals which then are killed to feed humans. I hope some don't freak out and decide to go cannibal to satisfy their craving for flesh though.

[cbabe]

80. Nearly all soy is

GMO. Health effects unknown. Eat only organic soy if you eat soy. Including tofu, etc.

[Deminpenn]

31. No problem here

Never been a big bacon consumer.

[Sympthsical]

33. Bacon isn't cheap as it is

We're not regular bacon eaters, so not a big deal. We got some a few weeks ago and made BLT's for dinner one night only because it was on sale for $5. Stuff's usually $7 or $8. That is not a cheap breakfast item.

Avocado toast is far cheaper. Wait for a sale, get an avocado for $1 a pop. Boom.

[Iggo]

37. We've got a tree.

[Sympthsical]

39. Very jelly

We have every tree imaginable in our yard. Apple, lemon, lime, plums, etc.

But no avocado =(

Maybe we should buy one. We don't plan on going anywhere for quite awhile. Just bought the place last year. And we both love avocados. Hmm. Mayhaps Sunday afternoon activity.

[hunter]

45. My grandma made PCLTA sandwiches.

Potato Chips, Lettuce, Tomatoes, and Avocado.

With Best Foods Mayonnaise. (Hellman's east of the Rockies.)

My grandma was a California dairy girl, born in San Francisco, run off to Hollywood.

During the Great Depression and World War II she never suffered any rationing of beef, butter, or milk, family would provide, but bacon wasn't always available.

[Iggo]

36. Absolutely. (n/t)

[Elessar Zappa]

40. I don't really care, however

if bacon really did experience a long term shortage the political party in power would probably be in big trouble.

[ansible]

41. California will never go republican

[Elessar Zappa]

42. Agree, I'm just thinking

about the outcome if this occurred nationwide.

[fescuerescue]

43. The sounds like a "get out the vote" program

Sometimes it's the little things.

[hunter]

47. It's U.S.A. Today.

Of course they are stirring the pot.

But so am I.

I'd like to believe that most citizens of the U.S.A. live by some sort of ethical or moral standard that finds the abuse of animals, even animals they eat, abhorrent.

I'll reveal the true religious heresy of my parents -- you don't thank only God for the meat on your table, you respect the animal (usually in our family the fish) you are eating as well.

[fescuerescue]

49. Well I don't mean the media itself

I mean the law that defecto bans bacon.

That won't go over well for the folks charged with enforcing it.

[hunter]

56. There were never any shortages of CA SEFS compliant eggs in our grocery stores...

... farmers selling eggs in California simply complied.

Prices did go up some.

If existing pork producers can't cope with these regulations then others will be happy to have their business.

[Caliman73]

86. It is a "OMG story" simply to sell media space.

This was voted in 3 years ago. It was a public initiative, meaning that it had to be put on the ballot by signature. It was advertised. The pork producers waged a campaign against it with the very scare tactics that are being used right not.

What it really is, is that people DO NO PAY ATTENTION. They vote for things then when the thing they voted for comes to pass they act all shocked.

The pork producers absolutely knew this was coming. Now they are just trying to scare people into calling their legislators over a few cents a pound more of accommodation.

No one ever lost any money betting on the ignorance of people.

[sakabatou]

44. I've never had bacon, so, yeah, I can go without it.

[totodeinhere]

46. Bacon is very high in sodium so anyone who needs to limit sodium in their diet

should not be eating it anyway.

[hunter]

54. Bacon may have caused the premature death of my grandfather.

He lived past ninety but he might have made it past a century if his customary breakfast hadn't been three eggs, two slices of bread, and a tomato fried with bacon, followed by a cream cheese Danish and prodigious amounts of coffee.

Basically everything my grandfather ate was a rebellion against the poverty of his Wild West youth and two decades of U.S. Army cuisine.

[totodeinhere]

55. There are always going to get anecdotes like yours.

But anecdotes don't change the facts.

[hunter]

59. That was not an anecdote about living longer.

People generally lived a long time in his family. Hitting the century mark wasn't uncommon for anyone who didn't smoke or drink.

He didn't smoke or drink but his poor diet definitely shortened his life, just as smoking shortened his sister's life.

Maybe whatever enjoyment they got out of it was worth it. I don't know, but neither of them was living well in their last years, it was more akin to medically assisted survival.

[Happy Hoosier]

92. Almost no one does.

Limiting sodium for blood pressure is an old wives tale. In controlled studies, severely limiting sodium lower your Systolic pressure by ONE point and your Diastolic Pressure by ONE HALF a point.

[totodeinhere]

106. I noticed you provided no link. Here is mine.

The body needs a small amount of sodium to function, but most Americans consume too much sodium. High sodium consumption can raise blood pressure, and high blood pressure is a major risk factor for heart disease and stroke.

Research shows a strong relationship between the amount of salt consumed and raised levels of blood pressure. When salt intake is reduced, blood pressure begins falling within weeks in most people. In countries where people consume diets low in salt, people do not experience the increase in blood pressure with age that is seen in most Western countries. Reducing sodium intake lowers blood pressure, with greater effects among people with hypertension.

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/sodium.htm

[Tarc]

50. Yea, some parts of the left/progressive spectrum do more harm than good at times

This is one of those times.

[Maru Kitteh]

57. So, you're thinking that more environmental devastation and increased animal cruelty

are the way to go then? Because bacon?

[Tarc]

67. Pretty much

BLTs slap, yo.

[jcgoldie]

60. Right! Fucking animal cruelty is the answer

So bacon can be cheaper! Brilliant.

[Raine]

66. What use are progressives if they can ignore the suffering and abuse

of the creatures they share this earth with ... NO USE AT ALL!!!

[Celerity]

78. Yep, we must maintain pig torture on the outside chance a Rethug OC housewife will

miraculously starting voting Blue. The nightmare that was/is Trump didn't sway her, but cheap bacon surely will, once we internally flog those pesky progs and their cray morals on animal cruelty, and allow the hog abuse train to fire up again.

Oink baby, oink!

[Tarc]

82. lol, "pig torture"...

You guys...

[Celerity]

83. I suggest you take a look at US industrial hog farming. nt

[Tarc]

103. Looks fine to me

Esp. when it results in a BLT.

[Celerity]

104. enjoy it whilst you can, lol

[Tarc]

108. Like, forever?

I don't live in CA, first off.

Second, this was apparently quite overblown; https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215690363

[Celerity]

109. Unless you are an immortal being, nothing is forever, and even then

you will have to find a way to switch universes before this one comes to an end.

I never claimed, btw, that all bacon would disappear from CA. My interactions were based off animal cruelty diminution and the oh so tiresome left blaming.

[Beringia]

52. Yay for California and the animal welfare voters

[Earth-shine]

58. I've given up on bacon. The last two packages I got from Costco were so overwhelmingly salty ...

which was, no doubt, done for the purpose of covering up the sheer rottenness of the meat.

Much more salty than usual.

I could taste the rancidness behind the salt.

In general, I have a high opinion of Costco and its Kirkland brand.

[Raine]

62. I'm proud that the voters in my state put animals above what goes into their stomachs! 👍nt

[oasis]

63. TBB

Turkey bacon better

[LymphocyteLover]

64. Yes, I've been a vegetarian for 30 years

and the way they treat pigs in factory farms is fucking disgusting and evil, not to mention the horrific pollution. Fuck bacon.

[intelpug]

68. Bacon

So, if these domestic producers don't get their asses in gear,, who will fill the void? maybe China?

[hunter]

76. The largest pork producer in the U.S.A., Smithfield Foods, is owned by the WH group of China.

In the U.S.A. the company owns over 500 farms and contracts with about 2,000 independent farms.

China also owns many California pork producers, including Farmer John.

So basically they already are the "domestic producers" of pork.

[MineralMan]

79. No, bacon will not disappear in California. That's a bogus headline.

It might cost more, but hog farmers will comply with the new rules or go out of business. Anyhow, bacon is made in many, many other states and bacon can be shipped quite easily.

So, there will be bacon for those who eat it or sell it.

This story is an overstatement of the underlying news.

[hunter]

87. The only eggs I see in grocery stores here are CA SEFS compliant.

It will be the same with bacon.

I don't expect bacon smuggling will be a big business.

The lowest price for a dozen eggs in our town is probably a $1.60 at Wal-Mart.

In ordinary grocery stores the "value" brand CA SEFS eggs are generally a dollar more, when they are not on sale.

I served fancy "pasture raised" organic eggs this morning. Those were $3.99 a dozen, on sale. The hens are rotated across across fields and sheltered at night and hot afternoon sunshine in mobile hen houses.

I suppose its not a terrible life for a chicken even though they get turned into organic dog food when their egg production slows.

We have three large dogs, all of them the less adoptable sort from the animal shelter.

The environmental footprint of dogs can be quite large. There are too many dogs, just as there are too many humans.

[MineralMan]

91. And, no doubt, you will see similar labeling on pork products in CA.

My point remains the same. The headline was overwrought and sensationalistic. Regulations come and go, but the demand for pork products will ensure that they will still be available. Farms will restructure to comply and the production will continue.

USA Today was working the story to make it more clickable. That's all. That was not mentioned in the earlier thread until I posted a reply. It's a typical non-critical-thinking response. That is my point. We should do a better job of reading and thinking before posting, it seems to me.

[hunter]

100. I think it's deeper than that, as I said above.

This is a scare story.

Those terrible liberals, first they came for our guns, made us wear seat belts, and now they are gonna take away our bacon!

Recall Newsom!

When, in fact, regulating how meat animals are raised, preventing dangerous fools from buying guns, improving automobile safety, and limiting air and water pollution are all good and reasonable government functions.

[MineralMan]

102. Perhaps so. The Newsom recall campaign is working hard

of course, but will probably not succeed.

However, such sensationalist stories are the stock in trade of USA Today, which is trying desperately to stay afloat in difficult times for all kinds of journalism.

[DFW]

85. It won't affect me one way or the other

I have serious cholesterol issues, so if it walks on four legs, I don't eat it

[Happy Hoosier]

90. That's probably a mistake.

You wanna slash your triglycerides and boost your HDL?

Eat a very low carb diet. It has had a DRAMATIC effect on my health.

I had metabolic syndrome in the worst way. I was seriously headed for an early grave. In less than a year, my diabetes is REVERSED. My blood pressure is normalized, my triglycerides cut in HALF and my HDL doubled.

Check out Virta Health.... a project in conjunction with Indiana University. It's a life changer.

Here's a controlled study:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19641727/

[lagomorph777]

95. Giving up meat dramatically improved my health.

I lost 40 lbs, migraines, joint pain, and AFIB.

Meat is a health and environmental disaster.

[Happy Hoosier]

98. Well, good for you... but my experience is clear.

If your cholesterol is good, without meds, good on you.

I eat quite a bit of meat, and very few carbs. My triglycerides were HALVED and my HDL doubled. I reversed my diabetes. Lost 120 pounds and counting.

For me, it's sustainable, I like the food and my health is dramatically improved. There is NO controlled study showing that meat is bad for your health... only oberservational studies. The study I linked you to is a controlled study and the results are unequivocal.

But do what works for you.... I mean that. If you are happy with that lifestyle, LIVE IT!

[LiberatedUSA]

88. No. I always have it for second breakfast.

[beaglelover]

105. Absolutely!

[Amishman]

107. nah, people will want bacon because it is delicious. the market will satisfy that demand

there might be some short term disruptions as the market adjusts and the price might go up slightly long term - but there will still be bacon, it will still be delicious, and it will still be worth buying.

love my bacon