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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI was looking at my vaccine card to see if there was a reference number or bar code or something
There is not. It does show what batch of vaccine I took. I looked at the paperwork from getting vaccinated and there was a QR code there but I dont see any way for someone to check your vaccine record easily. Seems like they should have put something on the card. So if they come up with some kind of vaccine passport itll probably be a big effort, though they ought to have all the info already. Really they have enough info to just mail something like that out without a person having to initiate it, but Im sure there all kinds of issues with that.
Ive read about fake card being sold which I am sure will end up being a big problem. Ive read of people getting busted for having fake cards. That probably took some effort, have to track an individual. If there were some reference number in the card they ought to be able to have an online check which would not show names, but there isnt.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)the vials and writing stuff down on something on the counter that I could not see. My appointment had me at the pharmacy at a certain time, my name and Drivers License number and home address were checked by the person that signed me in and I was then listed on her computer as signed it. So, the vials of vaccine that got used around my presence there are associated with traceable information on who I am, so a government agency that issues passports can get and cross-reference all of that information before giving me a passport.
Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)Most people won't want to risk a massive fine or jail time, plus criminal record for document forgery.
Those two knuckleheads that tried to get into Canada with forged cards are learning the hard way that it was fifty dollars poorly spent.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)and you later need a booster. You, or whoever gives you the booster, can simply copy the information from the old card onto a new one.
mucifer
(23,573 posts)electronically. A state epidemiologist reported that in an interview. I think lots of states are working towards this.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)Every vaccine for my child is online.
All of mine since I moved to GA are online.
ProfessorGAC
(65,227 posts)...by or before August 27.
I'm guessing they don't say the 27th unless they really believe it will be a week sooner.
Ms. Toad
(34,109 posts)by my doctor's visit in June.
BigmanPigman
(51,638 posts)What does that mean?
ret5hd
(20,527 posts)Essentially the serial # of your tracking/magnet chip.
BigmanPigman
(51,638 posts)ret5hd
(20,527 posts)puts his mind to it
WaterSong1951
(74 posts)Been reading a lot of Robert Heinlein and want to be tracked so I can be eligible to go on a Starship out of here
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)numbers down on something that I could not see behind the counter. I had to check in and give identifying information on myself before the shot, so part of the contents in one of the vials the Nurse used is associated with me on a specific day at a specific time.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)It means that all of the product with the same lot number were manufactured from the same batch of ingredients mixed in the same gigantic vat, and any vials filled with that product will have the same number on their labeling. That way they can be traced back to the date the batch was made and where (and in some cases, what time, and who QA'd it, etc).
When they change batches, they change lot numbers (or are supposed to... some of the schlock places will mix them and distribute/sell them anyway ).
I know a few months ago I had seen a link to check the lot numbers for expiration dates from websites that were tracking them, and found these for example -
A Moderna one - https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/providers/vial-lookup
A Janssen (J&J) one - https://vaxcheck.jnj/
Pfizer - haven't been able to find a lookup tool (and neither did the Philly Health Department)!
Some other info on the various related codes - https://www.ama-assn.org/find-covid-19-vaccine-codes
BigmanPigman
(51,638 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Obviously as long as you got it before July (which I know you did), you're fine!
I had checked mine back in May (and saved screenshots) and the 1st shot's lot expires Sept. 8, 2021 while the 2nd one expires Oct. 2, 2021. I had received the 1st dose on 3/17/21 and the 2nd on 4/21/21. So it was a 6 month expiration for each.
I had really lucked out getting those appointments because they popped up when I was fruitlessly searching for vaccine appointments (3 months after signing up with the city and hearing nothing) and found a little pharmacy not far from me that showed up on a list of smaller pharmacies recently approved to give them that would start doing them "in the future", and that pharmacy allowed people to put themselves on their waiting list.
About 5 days after I added myself to their list, they sent me an email late the night before opening up appointments for the first time, offering me to pick an appointment time, I saw it early the next morning, and jumped right on it to schedule my first appointment that same day!
BigmanPigman
(51,638 posts)Rhiannon12866
(206,163 posts)My first shot (got it on February 26th) expires on August 17, 2021 (my mother's birthday) while my second shot already expired on April 28th! Fortunately I got my second shot on March 28th. BTW, I got the Moderna at the CVS in Saratoga, NY.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)Rhiannon12866
(206,163 posts)Back then. I also passed on the link to your post to my friend who made the appointment for me. He'd been trying for days, like we all were back then, and when he managed to get an appointment when they started offering it at CVS, I happened to be in the dentist's chair in Albany (not something I do all that often), so by the time he got hold of me, the local CVS was booked - so I had to go to Saratoga. Not that I minded, I was grateful and relieved!
BTW, he's also on DU, so you may get a reply from him, too.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)What is ironic, is that a couple days before I was due for my scheduled 2nd shot, the city finally contacted me to make an appointment (literally almost 3 months after signing up on their list). I then got emails, texts, and phone calls to my land line to sign up - and it was all for the mass vaccination site down at the PA Convention Center, which is inconvenient for me due to parking issues and then having to stand outside in the cold, etc.
I literally had a Riteaid pharmacy near me that was offering them but initially they f-ed up and their system had a supposed "bug" that was rejecting city zip codes (despite that store being located in the city) and signed up only suburban residents (who would be using the city's allotment instead of their own county's allotment). And then when that was exposed in the local media and they supposedly fixed it, now due to the "phases" and despite my having eligible underlying conditions, I was still rejected from making an appointment there (under 65, not in a designated occupation since I was retired , in the wrong zip code because it was already one of the higher vaccination areas). Just one excuse after another.
It was just an outright mess.
Rhiannon12866
(206,163 posts)When I got my first shot, they made my second appointment in (approximately) a month at the same CVS. Other than having to drive almost a half hour through a rainstorm, I had no issues. There was no wait - other than the 15 minutes afterwards - and I was in and out in about 20 minutes. I felt pretty miserable later that night and the next day - really bad chills and I was afraid to get up since I felt like I might pass out - but I knew that there might be side effects and I was so grateful to have gotten it, I figured that was a small price to pay.
ProfessorGAC
(65,227 posts)Pfizer's maximum batch size is 3 million doses. That's about 660# of active agent. In the process solution, it would be about 800 gallons, before concentration.
In my former world, "giant vat" doesn't start until 20,000 gallons.
And, nobody has used "vats" since the 70s. Especially in pharma!
I just had to!
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)And I call them "vats" and have seen them up close and personal (although not vaccine stuff).
ProfessorGAC
(65,227 posts)...in the first Batman movie???
Now, those were some big vats!!!
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)That was a small vat.
There are bigger ones, but you don't wanna know what's in them.
ProfessorGAC
(65,227 posts)Thanks for the chuckles!
malaise
(269,200 posts)so the two batch numbers are your reference along with the other information you provided
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)that was mentioned.
They barcode them too and have barcodes on the trays and cases so they can track them all from the plant, through the transport to/from distribution points, right to the destination holding facilities.
LeftInTX
(25,588 posts)They are used in pretty much all consumer products, such as canned food, pet food, frozen food, OTC meds, toys, car seats, cribs...
If there is a product recall or safety issue, they tell you to check the lot number to see if it affects the product that you purchased.
They are used in all drugs in hospitals, also saline and potassium viles.
Actually lots are used just about everywhere and for everything...
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The vaccine batch likely allows a trace of time and place that a person got vaccinated. I noticed that when I was getting my first shot, the Nurse was looking at vials and writing something down on something behind the counter. So if that vial was listed as being activated at a pharmacy in x-city and a person shows up who was not listed as being at that location on that day, then the person should be arrested for having a fake vaccination card. Now, people going into bars and such can flash a fake card and get away with it and that is likely something that the two boneheads that were arrested in Canada had likely done, then their shit hit an iceberg.
Canadian officials were able to tell that the cards were fake.
GregariousGroundhog
(7,526 posts)All 50 states have a immunization information system. Building a smart phone app capable of querying the data would be more of a political problem than a technical one.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)crickets
(25,986 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,333 posts)that have or will make it against the law to even have a passport system.
Igel
(35,362 posts)But the parent/guardian has to give permission for the minor to be enrolled in it. And there's a mechanism for a parent/guardian to unenroll a child.
It's only been around for a few years. Less than 7, I think.
No guarantee that when my kid got his Pfizer shots in the spring anybody updated his electronic record. Can't check online, don't see a reason to request a paper copy. Am a bit curious, though.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)off of billing records. So assuming whoever gave the vaccine wanted to get paid, the State of TX VIS got a notification.
marmar
(77,092 posts)..... and there's a record of both shots on there.
madville
(7,412 posts)I wouldn't worry about your current card or the info on it too much, by the time any potential widespread vaccine verification is required we'll probably be on a different version of the vaccine anyway. That makes me wonder how they will handle that, will a year or two old vaccine dose be sufficient, when there is an updated booster will that be the minimum standard for access or will they let people in that just have the original vaccine version that may not be effective against future variants.
There are so many potential issues and gaps with the vaccine passport idea that it would take years to develop and implement any sort of reliable system. The federal government is not going to create a national system or database.
So then is it up to the states? Let's say a few manage to set something up, and only allow businesses to only provide services to vaccinated people. What do visitors or tourists do when they are in that state? Do they have to register before visiting?
Do you have to have a smart phone to have a vaccine app? What do poor or elderly people without smart phones do? Do they have to get a card of some kind, does that require a physical visit to an office in a major city?
There wouldn't be much compliance with any kind of vaccine requirement in my area, from customers or businesses. Most businesses are not going to be checking vaccine status at the door or confronting people about it. We had mask mandates in the city, plenty of maskless people were going about their activities and I didn't see any businesses ejecting them or denying them entry.
You make excellent points
Igel
(35,362 posts)Say that businesses have to verify compliance before serving a customer or else face a fine.
That means the front-end employees are de facto agents of the state, responsible for enforcing things. Kicking out the unvaccinated, telling them they can't order food and must leave, not selling them a ticket to a movie or letting them buy groceries.
In other words, the least experienced, lowest paid employees are suddenly the law enforcement agents and will get all the crap from the displeased public. And they know if they don't engage the public politely, they could lose their jobs. If they don't engage the public at all, their employer gets fined ... and they could lose their jobs.
all good points that no one's really thinking about
ProfessorGAC
(65,227 posts)...to all economic activity.
It's impossible for the reasons you state.
Companies in the business of analyzing, assessing, and mitigating risk might be a more important vanguard in this regard.
Can't fly, can't take trains, etc.
It doesn't have to be absolute to be enough an inconvenience to get the dawdlers. The open, disinformation spewings resisters are a different matter.
WaterSong1951
(74 posts)My vaccination card has a Batch Number noted along with name of vaccine- thats how it rolled with CVS in NJ- its on a CDC card - what else can the authorities want?- have copy of it on phone and one of my doctors has it on file
Crunchy Frog
(26,659 posts)I think something like that could work quite well, if we were to ever get serious about requiring vaccination documentation.
I haven't had any occasion to use it, sadly. The state provides one, but doesn't have the nerve to require it for anything.
madville
(7,412 posts)as their vaccination card. Always gonna be people testing the system I guess, it's kinda funny in a way, hopefully the people running the app or verifying the records fix those bugs.
Crunchy Frog
(26,659 posts)I'm pretty sure that it directly connects to your information in a state database.
Just looked up some recent stuff about it, and it looks like you were referring to an NYC app. The state Excelsior Pass app won't do that. Interesting story though.
Ace Rothstein
(3,191 posts)I have it in Google Pay with a QR Code now. Hopefully more providers start offering this.
madville
(7,412 posts)I do have have a picture of it on my phone though. I guess I could just fill out another card with the correct information if I needed a physical copy or print that picture out or something.
I wonder what would happen if someone lost their card, washed it with their clothes, etc and didn't have a picture of the info? If they got vaccinated at a temporary site that is long gone how could they get another copy? Wonder if they would just have to go get vaccinated again (which might not be a bad idea anyway).
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)that went with my waiver form and obviously that is being sent somewhere. I know here in Philly, we have a big vaccination database that has been around for almost 20 years - https://hip.phila.gov/DiseaseControlServices/Immunization and that is what prompted the CDC to actually send the city it's own allotments of COVID-19 vaccines separate from the state's allocation since we already had a robust tracking system in place.
So I expect every county (or county in partnership with another county or state if there's no health department) would have that data.
In addition, since I have BCBS insurance, they actually alerted me to the COVID-19 vaccine records being added and I did a pdf printout of them (which included entries for my previous flu shots too). When I got my COVID-19 shots, they took my insurance card info (it was optional if I had it - which I did) - although it wasn't required.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,371 posts)... by insurance, or medicare, or some other government entity.
The clerk entered my name wrong (how can you misspell "Bozo"?) and the insurance rejected the claim. The hospital came after me for the money. It took a few rounds before they tried spelling "Bozo" correctly, after which the claim showed up in my medicare record.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)technically the pharmacy and/or the insurance companies would get reimbursed from the government. Even if they fucked up the name, they should have defaulted to some other payment code because insurance was NOT required to receive that EUA vaccine.
Search vaccines.gov, text your ZIP code to 438829, or call 1-800-232-0233 to find COVID-19 vaccine locations near you in the U.S. In some states, information may be limited while vaccination providers and pharmacies are being added. Contact your state health department to find additional vaccination locations in your area.
FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines are distributed for free by states and local communities. You cannot buy COVID-19 vaccines online. You do not need to pay any out-of-pocket costs to get an authorized COVID-19 vaccine not before, during, or after your appointment. If someone asks you to pay for your vaccine, it is either a scam or a mistake.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/learn-more-about-covid-19-vaccines-fda
Having the insurance record (whether private or Medicare) does offer a secondary tracking of vaccine receipt though.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,371 posts)... their first tactic was to send a letter threatening to turn the case over to a collection agency. It took a few phone calls and finally another visit to the hospital to straighten it out.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)that this type of idiocy was happening all around the nation. The politicization and ignorance can be breathtaking at times, and perhaps not so much a dig at the lowest level administrative staff who are "following orders", but to their bosses, who are on a sabotage mission.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)It has the dates, dosages, lot numbers, and location of my vaccines they are stickers that were affixed to the card. Theres spaces to enter two more records. I thought this was how all cards were.
BumRushDaShow
(129,608 posts)although I have seen cards from some sites (probably max-vaccination ones) that have all of that info on pre-printed stickers that they can peel off and put on the cards.
I just saw a local paper story that after sortof pooh-poohing taking pics and sharing vax card images online earlier this year, has now started recommending taking pics of it (front and back) as a "proof" (without a need to carry the actual card around), but still obviously not sharing it in case scammers got ahold of the image.
First thing I bought after I got my first vax appointment and shot, was a 6-pack of card holders (4" x 3" ones with lanyards although I didn't need the lanyard but the ziploc-tyle waterproof sleeves came with them). Gave the extras to my sisters for their families.
malaise
(269,200 posts)Mine has two batch #s on the two dates when I received the jab.
Indeed our government is giving money to people over a certain age who received both doses and so my reference numbers are now in the system.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I got mine at a FEMA site and it was given by members of the 101st Airborne. I just noticed both stamps have names of the young men who gave the shots.
I assume the Federal government has records somewhere.