Nina Turner's loss in Ohio means Biden doesn't need to keep caving to the left

[LetMyPeopleVote]

This race has some interesting implications. AOC and the squad demanded that OH11 voters send Nina Turner to bolster their power to block President Biden's plans

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Shontel's victory over Nina and the Squad is important in that it gives Joe Biden more flexibility

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That’s what makes Shontel Brown’s upset victory on Tuesday in an Ohio special election so refreshing. She beat Nina Turner, the epitome of smashmouth-style liberalism, in a Democratic primary to fill the House seat vacated by Housing and Urban Development Secretary Marcia L. Fudge.

Brown prevailed by embracing President Biden — and celebrating his brand of incrementalism. “This is about making progress, and sometimes that takes compromise,” she said during her victory speech in a Cleveland suburb. “Because when you demand all or nothing, usually you end up with nothing.”....

Biden has to be attentive to the left, given Democrats’ slim House majority. But Tuesday’s results suggest he doesn’t need to contort himself to placate the party’s progressive wing — as he’s doing with the extension of the eviction moratorium — as much as they demand or he has often deemed necessary.....

Fear was another motivation for CBC leaders. They privately worried a Turner victory would embolden additional radicals to launch primary challenges against incumbent Black lawmakers in 2022. What happened to Lacy Clay in Missouri remains top of mind. The 10-term congressman, whose father co-founded the CBC, was defeated in a primary last summer by activist Cori Bush, who had the support of Sanders and the Democratic Socialists of America.

And that may be the real significance of the Ohio results. They show the leader of the Democratic Party is not Sanders or AOC. It’s Biden. And he should start acting like it. At least he can count on Shontel Brown’s vote.

[leftstreet]

1. When has he caved?

[Bettie]

2. He hasn't

this is more purposefully divisive bullshit.

[elleng]

3. REALLY, sounds trollish to me.

[Sympthsical]

14. Weird, right? n/t

[Celerity]

17. +1000

[Trueblue1968]

21. you are right and dammit,,,, we dont NEED A Manchin-Sinema bloc in the House

THE,,,, Manchin-Sinema bloc in the SENATE is destroying getting good things done. THINGS OUR COUNTRY NEEDS.


JUST BUILD THE DAM ROADS ,,, and repair the dam bridges dammit !!!! dammit dammit dammit.

I LOVE JOE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JohnSJ]

5. Biden tries to work with everyone, and that isn't caving

[GulfCoast66]

6. WTF? I'm happy with the results in that election. But Joe is on the left.

But until the Democratic Party dominates the Congress like in the 60’s we will not be able to big things like back then. And remember the civil rights act would not have happened with the now non-existing Republican Party. When while they hated big government many supported full civil rights. Before they finally jettisoned their Lincoln history and welcomed with open arms the racist Southern Democrats. The south of my child was solidly Democratic. Our party supporting civil rights ran them off.

So pragmatism is the word of the day. I don’t like it. Joe does not like it. But politics is always the art off the possible.

He knows we have to have team players. Not those that will burn it down if they don’t get everything they want.

[ret5hd]

7. What makes Brown's win an "upset"?

[JI7]

8. Nina Turner's campaign released polls showing she (Turner) had a huge lead

[ret5hd]

10. Turner's paid for polls...nobody else, right?

Again, Brown’s win was expected.

[ColinC]

11. Many polls showed her with a 30 point lead not released by Turner

Thing is, with her divisive comments, she never really had that far of a lead in a lot of ways. She was more or less an underdog the entire time. It's a district Bernie lost by 2-1, and she was running for a party nomination after calling it's nominee a... well, you know.

[ColinC]

9. He hasn't "caved" to anybody. He is honoring the platform that he ran on.

[Lunabell]

12. You know what?

The earth needs saving and if that means "caving to the left", SO BE IT!!

[Earth-shine]

13. "as he's doing with extension of the eviction moratorium"

So, you want to see people thrown out?

The issue is complicated. Landlords need to get paid. The funds have not been disbursed by the states, including liberal NY.

But, creating more homeless during a pandemic is heartless, and given that you chose to boldface those words -- they are YOUR heartless words.

You obviously hate AOC and Bernie more than you hate people being homeless.

> And he should start acting like it.

Oh, really? How do feel about Manchin and Sinema defying the rest of the party? Biden should go tell them what to do, yes?

[Demsrule86]

22. This was a court ruling. It has nothing to do with Biden. Chances are a court will rule

against us. Biden supported a moratorium. This buys us time-nothing more in all likelyhood. 2016 was devastating for us as it resulted in 600,000 dead Americans, a packed court which will be with us for a generation or more and in the end an insurrection. Thus when. Progressive members of Congress supported Nina Turner who didn't vote for Clinton and helped elect Trump, I was shocked and a bit dissapointed.

[Cha]

15. Thank Goodness & Democracy that

Shontel WON.. but I don't see Pres Biden as "caving" to the squad.

[tonedevil]

18. LOL /NT

[brush]

19. That video of AOC...I don't know. Who are these people?

Are they Democrats? Do they understand how politics work? You sit down, negotiate, you get some things, you yield on others and you get a bill passed that way.

It's not that complicated. If you dig in your heals and won't compromise, you get nothing...no infrastructure bills, no voting rights bills, and the republicans retake Senate and House majorities because all the infrastructure, both physical and human, benefits and jobs promised didn't happen because six people dug in their heels.

[betsuni]

20. "Do they understand how politics work?"

Big "no" on that. Confusion with activism. Utopian populism.

[JustAnotherGen]

24. The first tweet

Re: being the Manchin Sinema block in the house . . .

It already exists - with the swing DISTRICT House Members. Many are from NJ including my Congressman Tom Malinowski.

You want to lose the House? Prevent them from having moderate wins. Malinowski, Sherrill, Gottheimer etc etc.

Those are hard flips in 2018. They kept their seats in 2020. It was a big deal that Tom won in the 7th district after decades of it being GOP. Swing districts are where its at.

If you flip a decades held Democratic seat from moderate to progressive - its not as big a deal. They aren't reflective of the majority of the Democratic party voters. Not the PARTY - the voters who are not in the bright blue bubble.

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. Exactly how and when has Biden "caved to the Left?" Hell, when has he ever "agreed with the Left"

where the policy that ensued was not good for America?

Does anyone here, for example, believe that it was a mistake for the CDC to issue a revised eviction moratorium?

[Scrivener7]

26. Ah. The "When did you stop beating your wife?" tactic raises its ugly head again.

I thought we were done with that shit here.

Biden never caved to the left, though you suggest it is some kind of habit with him.

Why are you suggesting that when it is patently untrue?

[Tarc]

27. Joe should have just let Congress hash out the eviction moratorium

I am disappointed that he is going to try to do something he knows will get knocked down in court.

[Deminpenn]

28. Biden's cabinet is stocked with people

who have progressive views. His agenda is the most progressive maybe since the Roosevelts. It's the centrists who are feeling left out these days.

[question everything]

29. Why not giving the source? An op-ed from WaPo Hohmann

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/04/nina-turners-loss-ohio-means-biden-doesnt-need-keep-caving-left

[LetMyPeopleVote]

30. The source was provided

Look at twitter link in OP The source and link was provided

[question everything]

31. Not on my screen. Only the actual twitting posts. But that's OK

[LetMyPeopleVote]

32. You are wrong

Look at the tweet and click on it. The source is there.

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You are simply wrong in your claim

[question everything]

33. Oh, that little clip at the bottom where it provides the link..

I am grateful when some of the twits are part of the post so I don't have to click on the link. (At least on my desktop, not on my iPad) and that I usually see the twitterist which here is Aggressively Black Bianca..

Oh well..

[LetMyPeopleVote]

34. Opinion: The lesson from Ohio: Democrats want to fight Trump, not Biden

Progressives attacking Joe Biden was a bad move
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/04/lesson-ohio-democrats-want-fight-trump-not-biden/

It should not surprise anyone that grass-roots Democrats are united behind the president who defeated Donald Trump and wary of candidates who seem more interested in fighting Joe Biden than in advancing his agenda.

This is why Cuyahoga County Councilwoman Shontel Brown defeated former Ohio state senator Nina Turner in Tuesday’s special Democratic primary election for a U.S. House seat centered on Cleveland.

Brown, 46, had backing from much of the national Democratic Party as a down-the-line supporter of the president. Turner, 53, is a progressive hero, but you could argue she lost the race back in 2020 when she likened voting for Biden to eating half a bowl of excrement (not the word she used). In 2016, Turner declined to support Hillary Clinton against Trump.....

It needs to be repeated until it really sinks in: If you look at primary results over the past five years, Democrats remain the party in which more moderate candidates can prevail. Republicans, even when they opt against a Trump-endorsed candidate here or there, are much further to the right than Democrats are to the left.

But something else is true, too: Turner’s defeat does not mean that progressive Democrats are “crushed,” to use the sort of language popular on Wednesday. Progressives remain an important force in the Democratic Party but as part of a broader coalition. They succeed when they act as critics inside the tent. They fail when they are seen as bringing down the tent.

[Hekate]

35. KnR