Am I the only one who thinks that rebellions need to be crushed without an undue amount of mercy?

[kpete]

They’re middle-class & white-just like the 82 yr-old white-Reagan-appointed judge who sentanced them

Here’s the story of the Bustles, Jessica and Josh. Josh is a realtor. Jessica is a “homemaker”, likes to post on Facebook, believes their child was “harmed” by vaccines and is anti-vax. She thinks that people who receive blood donations should be notified if they’re getting it from a vaccinated person, and likened vaccine id cards to yellow stars in Nazi Germany. She’s also pregnant. On January 6, they went to the Capitol and walked around. They were near Ashli Babbitt, who Jessica characterized as an “unarmed peaceful woman,” when she was shot for trying to enter the Speaker’s Lobby through a broken window created by a crowd of insurrectionists intent on violent overthrow of the lawfully elected government. The Bustle’s Capitol tour did not involve violence or property damage. They were sentenced yesterday:

Both were sentenced to two years of probation and 40 hours of community service. Both were also sentenced to home confinement: 30 days for him and 60 days for her, based in part on comments she made supporting the rioters afterward.

“I seriously considered putting you in jail,” U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Hogan said.

Prosecutors said the couple has already suffered “personal and reputational consequences” as a result of their participation. Joshua Bustle said he was no longer able to sell real estate, for example, and the couple plans to move “to start a new life.” He said their participation in the Capitol siege strained relations with family members.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/virginia-couple-sentenced-probation-capitol-riot-charge-n1275948

Unfortunately for my immortal soul and gastric reflux, the Bustles’ sentence, and some of the other mild sentences that are being given to the first to plead, makes me think that this country’s lust for incarceration is failing us at precisely the moment when it should be indulged. The maximum sentence for the Bustles’ crimes was six months in prison and fines of $5K each. Why the fuck not? She could serve it in on weekends or something since she’s pregnant — I’m not a monster. I also think that more of these yahoos should be in pre-trial detainment due to their their obvious contempt for the law and clear desire to offend again if the opportunity arises. In general, I just want to see these people suffer in a way that’s commensurate with the crime they committed, even if they’re idiot ignoramuses led around by the nose by Trump.

Am I the only one who thinks that rebellions need to be crushed without an undue amount of mercy?
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2021/08/05/thats-about-white/

[Amishman]

1. Be careful what you wish for...

As the Right could use the same logic to impose draconian punishments on anyone who attends a protest that gets ruined by a few violent malcontents. *Note* I am NOT saying that's what happened on 1/6 - just that it would be pretty easy to blur the lines and create that false equivalency.

In general, choosing to escalate a conflict is rarely a wise move.

[atreides1]

4. Not could, will!!!

The Right will impose draconian punishments...I have no illusions that they won't!!!

[FoxNewsSucks]

10. They'll do it anyway.

There's a clear difference between fascist dictator thuggery against actual protesters and a proper response to a fascist uprising attempt to overthrow democracy.

A righteous and deserved crushing should not be avoided just because "they might abuse power against us". That just gives them the chance to do it again, and reason to laugh at weakness.

[PortTack]

13. ☝️☝️☝️☝️

[dalton99a]

14. +1.

[Nay]

18. +1000. nt

[Bluethroughu]

22. Perfectly stated!

[SWBTATTReg]

20. They already passed anti-protest bills in quite a few states, more than I originally thought too...

--snip--
In the past year, following last summer's uprising against racial injustice, Republican-led legislatures across the South have created new criminal penalties for protesters, some of which could empower police to conduct mass arrests if even a single protester creates a risk of property damage.
Those new laws are part of a broader nationwide crackdown against protests. According to the International Center for Not-for-profit Law, 45 states have considered and 36 states have enacted new anti-protest laws since January 2017, a year that saw massive actions against the Dakota Access Pipeline and the Trump administration. Among the Southern states that have passed such laws in that time are Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia, with others pending in Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.
Florida's new law, signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) in April, is particularly harsh. It created new riot-related felonies and also invented the new crime of "mob intimidation," which lawmakers defined as a group of people trying to compel another person to, among other things, "maintain a particular viewpoint." It carries a penalty of up to a year in prison.
--snip--

My concern is that interpretation of these bills etc. is subject to how the policing authorities interpret the language of the bills in each state, and before you know it, you'll have a whole swath of innocent victims snared by these what I think are clearly unconstitutional bills suppressing in some way, shape, or manner our 1st Amendment right to free speech. Just how far will they allow a protester to talk/chat before they deem it intimidation or noisy/too loud, etc.?

[Atticus]

2. You are not alone. nt

[maxsolomon]

3. The judge seriously considered jailing them, but then didn't.

It's nice to be White.

Rebellions ARE crushed without mercy, but only Leftist rebellions. Please make a note of it.

[lagomorph777]

5. These are the most dangerous people in America. They need to be put away...

...until they are too old to endanger anybody.

[lapfog_1]

6. if they went past the barricades and into the capitol building

5 years minimum...

if they struck a police officer - 10 years in a federal pen.

and, personally, for the proud boys and others that organized it, strip them of their citizenship and expel them from our nation... or life in prison... including any that were in on the organization or funding of the the insurrection.

Oh, any active duty military that took part... execution.

[FoxNewsSucks]

7. You are not the only one who thinks that.

Set an example. Deterrence, there's a reason for that.

[Chainfire]

8. All criminals should be dealt with with the minimal force necessary to detain them.

A criminal who self-identifies as a "patriot." is no different.

Sometimes the only way to detain them is to shoot them dead. When the system works correctly, the criminal is usually the one who determines how much violence is needed to be applied. When the system does not work correctly, a criminal wearing a badge may apply more than the minimum force to satisfy some internal gratification.

People who take up arms against the legitimate government will have to be dealt with, with the amount of force required, so that they do not form a government based upon injustice; if that requires violence, so be it. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

[Greybnk48]

9. No. You're not alone. n/t

[Solly Mack]

11. I think they're getting off light.

They went to war against the government. That generally doesn't result in probation.

It stopped being a "protest" the second they attacked police at the barriers - before they even entered the Capitol. Everything after that first barrier was an attack on the government. An armed attack, at that - with plans to murder the top two members in the line of succession.

That's called an act of war. Doesn't matter that they are citizens.

[justhanginon]

12. I agree. This was not a protest. I was an attempted coup,

incited by a president of the United States to overturn a fair and legitimate election by the voters of this country. These slaps on the wrist are making a second coup attempt more likely while trump and his henchmen are trying to set up a shadow government in Florida. This will incite the rabble to try once again for an overthrow of the government.
This country will not be safe until trump, Meadows, Pompeo, etal are all dead and buried, preferably by legal means but disease and other natural means would be accepted.

[dalton99a]

15. They'll try another one very soon if there is no deterrence

[Dirty Socialist]

16. But they're WHITE

‘Nuf said.

[BannonsLiver]

17. I wish King George would have taken that approach during the Revolutionary War.

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If he had, we all might have healthcare right now.

[Nay]

19. I'm not laughing at your comment. It's TRUE! North America could have been one big Canada,

but King George screwed up.

[Bluethroughu]

21. Nope.

I think these people should have all done at least a year in prison, and a ten thousand dollar fine. They purposefully attacked our capital because they didn't get the outcome they wanted from our Democracy.

Black lives matter walked through the streets of DC, chanting and singing while how many guns pointed in their direction.

These insurrectionists are sticking to their poor pitty patriot me story, and have learned nothing, but white people can attack the government and get community service.

This will happen again, there has been zero deterrent for these people.