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Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 02:02 PM Aug 2021

David Brooks - How the Bobos Broke America

David Brooks has a long article up in this month's Atlantic. His thesis, as I understand it, is that our politics today is driven less by ideology than by a bitter resentment of the educated elites who have come to dominate culture and finance because of their ability to take tests as teenagers.
His proposed solution to the problem might just be Joe Biden, the first non Ivy League President since Reagan.
It's an interesting read and you should be able to access it if you haven't read the Atlantic recently. It's what all the Bobos will be talking about.



https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/09/blame-the-bobos-creative-class/619492/

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David Brooks - How the Bobos Broke America (Original Post) Tomconroy Aug 2021 OP
I can't stand that self-hating, sniveling Reagan fanboi. Coventina Aug 2021 #1
mirrors are everywhere stillcool Aug 2021 #2
This dude just makes shit up. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #3
Really, no offense, but David Brooks is a horse's ass. vanlassie Aug 2021 #4
For those of us living in the reddest parts of America misanthrope Aug 2021 #7
Brooks always seems to be apologetic for his previous life as an "explainer" for Republicans... CTyankee Aug 2021 #18
Republicans and the media broke America -misanthroptimist Aug 2021 #5
I hope someone reads the article. Tomconroy Aug 2021 #6
Interesting complement to the Igel Aug 2021 #8
There have always been educated elites... brooklynite Aug 2021 #9
Brooks' theory was that the old WASP elites Tomconroy Aug 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #10
. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #11
I suspect the highly-paid columnist misses the mammoth in the room... JHB Aug 2021 #13
They certainly do that and the roots of the resentment Tomconroy Aug 2021 #14
The Republican Party broke America and Brooks helped them. BlueNProud Aug 2021 #15
Creative, educated, liberals broke America? Perhaps some things needed breaking. tinrobot Aug 2021 #16
I think his idea is that the Bobos were content Tomconroy Aug 2021 #17
So, trying to drive readers who missed it to your shitty Bobos book? hatrack Aug 2021 #19
How people like David Brooks broke America Johonny Aug 2021 #20
I enjoyed "Bobos in Paradise," but this article is weird, doesn't make any sense. betsuni Aug 2021 #21
What is it Rodney Dangerfield used to say: Tomconroy Aug 2021 #22
I've always been impressed by David Brooks's ability... Bucky Aug 2021 #23
I think he might have this time. Tomconroy Aug 2021 #24
But why does anyone think Democrats don't try to establish programs that benefit the betsuni Aug 2021 #25

misanthrope

(7,431 posts)
7. For those of us living in the reddest parts of America
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 02:32 PM
Aug 2021

Brooks is a welcome diversion from the type of conservative that has overtaken the Republican Party. Live in Alabama for a few months, where Brooks is considered a "Republican in Name Only" and downright liberal by some, and you'll begin to see his sanity in comparison.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
18. Brooks always seems to be apologetic for his previous life as an "explainer" for Republicans...
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 08:35 PM
Aug 2021

I read somewhere that he had one of those enlightening "moments" in his life as a Republican explainer and found "religion." But for him it was less dramatic because his Jewish background was playing in and he decided to re-think his rightward drift. Yep. Trump happened. Brooks "found" himself once again. It's a nice story and I think it probably is true-ish. But there was an untidy divorce involved. I'll bet that threw cold water on him. Wife divorced him and he's remarried. Don't know any more details but I'll just bet there's more...

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
6. I hope someone reads the article.
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 02:17 PM
Aug 2021

I occasionally venture over to the swamp of Patriots.win. It's not about issues. It's all about resentment over there.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
8. Interesting complement to the
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 03:17 PM
Aug 2021

"elite overproduction" idea circulating in some quarters to account for protests and some Millennial angst.

brooklynite

(94,745 posts)
9. There have always been educated elites...
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 03:19 PM
Aug 2021

...maybe the difference is that, until the 50s and 60s, voters didn't see them being elitist.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
12. Brooks' theory was that the old WASP elites
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 03:33 PM
Aug 2021

(who often were rich because their ancestors got here first and
Bought up all of the land) had more of a sense of obligation than their educational elite successors. I don't know if that is true. But being a baby boomer myself, individual freedom and self indulgence seem to be highly valued.

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JHB

(37,162 posts)
13. I suspect the highly-paid columnist misses the mammoth in the room...
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 03:43 PM
Aug 2021

...the nonstop encouragement of such bitter resentment by every level of conservative media.

Every
Single
One
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Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
14. They certainly do that and the roots of the resentment
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 04:34 PM
Aug 2021

Go back a long way. But Trump was really able to personify the resentment. I remember Chris Matthews saying something back in 2016 to the effect that his appeal was to everyone who wanted to give the middle finger to the elites. And over time that appeal continued to grow.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
17. I think his idea is that the Bobos were content
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 07:28 PM
Aug 2021

To sell out the working class, encourage monopolistic corporations that bust unions all the while enriching themselves at others expense

hatrack

(59,593 posts)
19. So, trying to drive readers who missed it to your shitty Bobos book?
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 08:50 PM
Aug 2021

I lasted about 30 pages, and his insufferable "wit" was puke-inducing.

The distance between his actual "cleverness" and what he thinks it is can be measured in light years.

Johonny

(20,890 posts)
20. How people like David Brooks broke America
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 08:51 PM
Aug 2021

he was certainly on the bandwagon of mount Bullshit hyperbole against Clinton and Obama. Now suddenly he forgets who he was/is.

betsuni

(25,658 posts)
21. I enjoyed "Bobos in Paradise," but this article is weird, doesn't make any sense.
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 09:25 PM
Aug 2021

Oh, David. Maybe it's one of those things where you make sure you're wrong so that you'll get a lot of attention because everyone rushes to correct you. A long time ago he said the best way to get attention is to be a little wrong when you write an article. Completely wrong or completely right, people will read but not comment or talk about it.

Bucky

(54,084 posts)
23. I've always been impressed by David Brooks's ability...
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 09:37 PM
Aug 2021

to deftly waver between the blindingly obvious and the stunningly wrong. Shouldn't a man who's made a career of regurgitating conventional wisdom at least be able to occasionally hit the target?

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
24. I think he might have this time.
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 09:44 PM
Aug 2021

Democrats need to establish programs that benefit the working class. Obamacare did a bit, but if you missed out on the subsidies, the costs for healthcare were quite high. We need to think about child care, increasing social security, in home care for the elderly and way higher taxes on the wealthy. No more alienating the working class. Oh, and please, be tough on crime.

betsuni

(25,658 posts)
25. But why does anyone think Democrats don't try to establish programs that benefit the
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 11:50 PM
Aug 2021

working class? The ACA passed the House with a public option, that and other great ideas were taken out because Democrats had exactly 60 votes in the Senate for four months and ten days and more conservative members wouldn't vote for it. Then of course, Republicans took over the House for the next six years. Now they're 50-50 in the Senate. How are Democrats supposed to pass things without large majorities?

It's a myth that Democrats are elites who don't care about the working/middle classes because they're all corrupt.

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