I think the wrong side won The Civil War.

[Worried2020]

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Let me put this on before I continue



The South wanted to be Independent,

the North wanted it all.

I think it should be obvious that the USA is pretty well split down the middle politically by watching how close the elections have been ever since.

Oh yeah - there are factions of dissent all over the country now, but their choices are limited.

Move to Mexico or Canada, or off the continent,

so they continue their fight within.

Live with it, or solve it!

(sigh)

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oh-oh

[padfun]

1. The thing is, even if the South won independence,

There would still be conservative/liberal factions in both new countries. And so this battle would still be fought.

It seems this problem is in just about every country, except those with strict governments.

[fescuerescue]

3. Exactly.

Even every conservative on earth magically vanished...

Then the Democratic Party would split into liberal and conservative factions.

You can observe this in every day life. You meet people are who slightly liberal and those who are extremely liberal.

The lines would just get redrawn.

Any time you have 2 people in a room, there will be differences. And it's really true when its millions or billions.

[TheBlackAdder]

35. Most Southern states would not be able to function without the socialism from the North & Pacific.

[Coventina]

2. I think you mean Civil War?

If you do, I cannot agree.

You know, that little thing that go abolished? Slavery?

[Worried2020]

10. DANG - ur right - I was referring to the Civil War

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And I see civil unrest all over the USA now, as does the rest of the World.

On the slavery thing - I don't credit the North for abolishing slavery, and as far as history shows, the downtrodding on the black population has continued to this day - hell - they went thru trauma in the 50's just to be allowed to sit where they want on buses, go to schools they wanted to, work and live wherever they wanted to etc.

"Slavery" may have ended as in whips and ball and chain,

but the abuses continue



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ps: Canada has been no angel in this matter either - Look at our recent revelations of how we "euthanized" or converted Natives, especially children to see OUR way. Thankfully my Heritage goes back to when my Grandfather and his wife came over from Europe with my dad in her belly in 1911. Regardless, I'm sorta ashamed to be Canadian

[Disaffected]

36. "Euthanized"??

Please, let's not make the problem worse by adding inflammatory hyperbole.

[Mister Ed]

11. Ah, but Britain abolished slavery in 1833.

Had Americans remained British subjects, then slavery in America would have ended 32 years earlier than it eventually did, and one or two generations would have been spared.

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15. Always a dicey game playing what ifs, but I have to think

that had America still been British colonies at that point, the politics and economics of ending slavery would have been so different that one has to figure slavery would have continued longer.

Without America, slavery just wasn't as big a part of the overall British economy. It didn't cost them nearly as much to do the right thing.

[Mister Ed]

17. I think you're probably right about that. n/t

[Hoyt]

16. And we'd have healthcare for all.

[Mister Ed]

21. Either a non sequitur or else way over my head.

One of the two for sure.

[Hoyt]

23. If we were still British, we'd likely have their health care system (NHS).

[Mister Ed]

24. Ahh, now I get it. Thanks!

Sorry to be so slow on the uptake.

[Retrograde]

40. One reason the US South wanted to expand slavery was to get new lands for cotton

After the invention of the cotton gin and the development of British cloth manufacturing there was a large and ever increasing demand for cotton. Cotton didn't seem to do well in the British Caribbean colonies, and, according to a recent history of sugar production I read, sugar was also becoming less profitable due to competition for small Indian growers. So there was no economic incentive for the British to continue to support slavery in the Americas. Had the original states remained British - who knows? Do they continue to expand into the Louisiana territory? Do they attempt to take over Texas for its cotton potential? Or do the British colonies stay hemmed in along the Atlantic, hemmed in by French and Spanish colonies, along with a stronger Native American alliance determined to keep British colonists out of the Ohio valley? (The last one actually existed for a while, supported by the British colonial administrators, until Britain got distracted by the Napoleonic wars and pulled out all its resources)

[Volaris]

41. The south would still have had a rebellion.

'The North' could have been GB just as easily as it was The Union.
Because the Civil War was ABOUT OWNING HUMAN BEINGS.
Everything else is bullshit distraction, yessireee.

[pwb]

4. Wrong war.

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[Worried2020]

13. Yup - I meant the Civil War. Not the first time I've mixed them up.

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But what I'm seeing is, - civil unrest all over the country

but - well hell - I'm seeing this civil unrest thing, much of it violent, all over the Globe now.

Our futures are looking sorta bleak as a race - wars, climate change, pandemic blah blah blah

Maybe Momma Nature might be giving up on us?



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[FakeNoose]

5. The American Revolution was vs. the British monarchy

Friend, I can't believe you meant to say that the monarchy should have won.

[Dial H For Hero]

8. Perhaps the OP is a fan of Harry Turtledove's "The Two Georges",

Wherein the UK winning the Revolutionary War results in a rather idyllic world?

[Worried2020]

33. I meant the Civil War -

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Make more sense now?

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[snowybirdie]

6. Guess you forgot

Nixon winning 49 states in 1972, or the landslides for FDR. And rtumps approximate 35% approvals. That's one a third, not half. BTW, The American Revolution was fought between England and its colonies. It's the Civil War that split the country.

[Worried2020]

25. Yeah - I meant the Civil War.

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which is why a referenced to the present day civil unrest that seems to be rapidly increasing in the US.

I think this pandemic is focussing people to pay attention what their governments are not doing for them,

and not just the USA, but the USA has one of the highest ownership of weapons among the population, and that's a recipe for serious problems.

Its sorta getting a bit fearful up here, but still better than the USA.

I just wanna go somewhere in the boonies and hide

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[MineralMan]

7. You appear to have your Revolutions mixed up.

Perhaps being Canadian has limited your education about US history. We don't call the US Civil War a Revolution. Our Revolution was against the British monarchy, which Canada still appears to honor, if only in an honorary sense.

Canada seems to be a nice enough place. I speak enough French to make do, even in parts of Canada that still cling to their French heritage. However, Canada is far more sparsely populated as a country than the USA. Even so, it has its own factions and appears to flip back and forth between conservative and liberal governance.

Still, it's nice that you are taking the time to criticize our country. I guess...

[Worried2020]

18. yeah I know - It was just a terminology thing - mixed them up b4

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If you scroll back to see one of my other responses - you will see me criticize my own country for it's behaviour.

As far a my "limited education" about US history, you are dead wrong. When I was in Grade 8 I got the highest marks for what we called a "presentation" where I put up displays with pictures and news articles on how JFK prevented a war over Cuba with Russia - "The Cuban Missile Crisis". I was in that same class later when the announcement came over the PA system. "John Fitzgerald Kennedy was assassinated today in Dallas"

My History teacher, a gruff and reserved man, broke down and cried.

We know a hell of alot about you than you do of us. We are not stupid. USA is the most powerful nation on our planet, and we are right next door.

You bet ur ass we pay attention.



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[MineralMan]

29. I see. Well, OK, then...

Real good, then...

[TxGuitar]

9. There are conservative yokels everywhere

Look at MI, PA,OH, WI. Hell even Nunes is from Cali.

[roamer65]

12. Native Americans would agree with your title.

The British were no saints when it came to Native American affairs, but they were much better than the American colonists.

[Worried2020]

26. I just wonder what the Americas would be like if the Europeans hadn't discovered it 500 years ago.

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The buffalo would still roam - the nomadic tribes would follow the wildlife and weather - the streams, rivers and lakes would be clear - no nukes, no toxins and so on . . .

frigadee

Us white folk sorta destroyed the place.

(sigh)

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[ironflange]

37. If Columbus hadn't come along someone else would have

[bullwinkle428]

14. You realize that if we lost the American Revolution, we'd be speaking English today?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

19. Yes, and our insults would be more colourful. nt

[Worried2020]

20. I meant the Civil War

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Just a Canuck brain fart - ok?

sumhow I think you knew that



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[Chainfire]

22. The sharp division that we see in the country is relatively new.

We have always had disagreements over the nuts and bolts of the engine of Democracy, but since the Civil War we have had a copesetic relationship between the two traditional ruling parties. There has always been disagreements, but usually they were a respectful tug of war. The diet of hate has been carefully administered over the past 25 years or so and it has become a staple. If our external mortal enemies had designed and built the hate machine, they could not have done a better job.

If we do not figure out how to reverse the trend, post haste, we will fail to function as a nation and someone else will step in to save us from ourselves. We are close to being totally dysfunctional right now. When you send the types of people to the Congress that the Republicans are sending now, it is a sign that a collapse is coming.

Practice your Mandarin and Russian.

[Worried2020]

28. On reversing the trend

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How about bringing the USA's War Machine home? You end up with a lot of well-trained unstable soldiers returning from engagements overseas. I visited a vets hospital in San Diego back in 79. It was very disturbing . . . USA does not treat it's returning soldiers very well.

US wastes trillions of $$ messing with countries that are no threat, and have never attacked them. That money would be better spent improving the lives of their citizens, Universal Healthcare, decent support for pensioners and the elderly/disabled, homeless and so on.

Encroaching on Chinese and Russian borders is just asking for trouble. Remember how tense it got when Russia tried to put nukes in Cuba?

Russia and China are upgrading not only their arsenals, but their military cooperation in response the the USA's increasing aggression should be understandable.

USA's War Machine could create a global crisis in an instant.

Nobody will "win".

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[Amishman]

27. The south winning the civil war wouldn't help as our divide is city/rural

Not north/south or any other easily divided geographic basis

[UnderThisLaw]

30. I think the wrong side

won the Industrial Revolution

[muriel_volestrangler]

39. There's more chance of a meaningful discussion from that, than from the OP (nt)

[Politicub]

31. The tinfoil hat emoji is apropos for your OP.

How can anyone take this opinion seriously when you get the civil war and the revolution mixed up?

[Worried2020]

34. Sorry about that - 70 yr old Canuck brain fart.

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Keep getting the name of those two mixed up,

but not when and where they happened.

Edited my OP - shoulda done that the first time someone scolded me on that.



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[Politicub]

38. It happens. Weirdly, when I talk about one of my contrarian friends

who likes to talk politics, I mistakenly refer to him as Trump. Like last night, I asked my husband if we should invite Trump over for dinner. He said, “what?”

My friend is not a Trumper at all, but is a pain because he constantly will predict what Trumpers will say about something. And he play acts out a nasally voice for what a generic Republican will say. I could care less what republicans will think about most things.

I haven’t told him that I accidentally refer to him as Trump, though.

[BannonsLiver]

32. I agree, the wrong side did win the Revolutionary War

I spend every 4th of July contemplating that.