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Taliban fighters swept into the capital of another Afghan province on Saturday, heightening fears the hard-line Islamist group was tightening its grip on the country as U.S. forces withdraw. Insurgent fighters entered the capital of northern Afghanistans Jawzjan province, a provincial lawmaker told the Associated Press. A Taliban spokesperson also told NBC News it had taken control of the city, Sheberghan, less than 24 hours after another capital city fell as provinces throughout the country threatened to collapse in the wake of a rapid Taliban onslaught.
Friday's capture of Zaranj, the heart of Nimroz province in southwest Afghanistan, made it the first provincial capital to fall to the militants since U.S. forces began withdrawing from the country. The militants are conducting an aggressive offensive through the country at a speed that has even surprised some of the fighters themselves.
"The situation is very bad now," said a government official from Nimroz who requested anonymity to protect their own safety. Taliban have the control of whole city, she said. "Since last night they have been looking for government people house by house.
The official said that everyone is hiding and people are not safe.
As a woman who has worked and fought around 20 years for women rights, for a better society, for equality, for womens improvement. I cant accept that Taliban destroy all these achievements. The official said she feels abandoned by the U.S. amid their departure from the war-torn country after two decades of war.
With the group resurgent, a slew of assassinations has struck Afghanistan, mainly targeting prominent women, journalists, judges and others fighting to sustain a liberal way of life in the country.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taliban-sweep-cities-afghans-flee-homes-fear-their-lives-n1276253
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)The really sad part is the young women who loved school.
Now they will sex slaves for the Taliban.
Maybe Pakistan or some other country can take them in.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,492 posts)What did we spend all that money on if theyre not going to defend themselves?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I read an online article a week ago that they are dropping their guns and trying to fade into the general population.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)some of our guys who were training them weren't even BORN when 9/11 happened - it was always a fool's errand
BlueTsunami2018
(3,492 posts)I cant help but think how different things might have been if the theft of the 2000 election was thwarted.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)everyone else shamed America
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)It's a failed state, and has been for a long time. Three seperate powers have tried and failed in the last 200 years. It's heart breaking but the Taliban is the only group in the area that has the power to control. The only group united enough.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)It really is heartbreaking... for those young girls especially.I hope they get the hell out of there.
Not a damn thing we can do.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)BGBD
(3,282 posts)A lot of dead engineers, doctors, and teachers.
NoRethugFriends
(2,308 posts)Oneironaut
(5,494 posts)While the war might be officially over, were going to be fighting them long beyond this. Theyre a menace that will gobble up anything they can, and they prey on desperate populations.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)These people finally had some semblance of a democracy. Soon to be gone.
We did our part.
And the UN, europe and other democracies do nothing.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)You can't expect or assume that others are going to do the fighting and dying for you. That goes for both over there and here at home.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)On April 30, 1975, the South Vietnamese capital of Saigon fell to the North Vietnamese Army, effectively ending the Vietnam War.
In the days before, U.S. forces evacuated thousands of Americans and South Vietnamese.
Has the U.S. won a war since WW II, seventy-six years ago?
EX500rider
(10,847 posts)Kicked North Korea back across their border in the 1950's.
Iraq 1, kicked them out of Kuwait.
Iraq 2 beat their army in a few months. Having a insurgency after that isn't the "US losing", the Iraqi Ba'ath Party was still out of power which was the goal.
Even in Afghanistan the US didn't lose, we just pulled out after helping the countries government, what happens after we leave isn't the US losing. Really the same in Vietnam, the South didn't fall till several years after the US pulled out. The US wasn't trying to beat the North as much as save/help the South.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Igel
(35,309 posts)officially at peace with N. Vietnam. Remember the peace accords?
We pulled out embassy guards and evacuated a lot of civilians and "allies" in '75 as the N. Vietnamese moved in.
As to why the peace broke down, it rather depends on who you talk to; why the S. Vietnamese were so easily routed, ditto.
Like the Tet offensive, the pictures of the embassy evacuation are often not quote accurately presented.
former9thward
(32,006 posts)When the U.S. wins a war it stays. Forever. Witness Germany and Japan. In Korea we managed not to lose and it ended in a stalemate. Andone who suggests the Iraq wars were victories just is not looking. Same with Afghanistan. Vietnam was a complete loss.
EX500rider
(10,847 posts)N Korea tried to conquer the South...the US & UN forces defeated that attempt which was the goal. That's a win.
If the goal is take Saddam out of power and it was, that was achieved which is a win of that goal. Kicking them out of Kuwait was the goal in the 1st Gulf War and that was achieved, also a win. None of those were total war WWII type of wars so of course the aims were not the same.
The US did not surrender or lose to the North in Vietnam, the goal there was to help the S resist the N which we did, them losing after we gave up helping them is on them. Same in Afghanistan, neither country should have expected the US to help them forever. Them falling after the US leaves is on them. Totally defeating a outside supported insurgency with out going medieval and committing extreme war crimes is most likely not going to happen.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)jimfields33
(15,801 posts)Loud music was the culprit.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)Igel
(35,309 posts)Few point out that much of the territory where the Taliban are weak (and the government is in control) are in areas with a Shi'ite majority population that's also very much not Pakhtun. They'll be surrounded and then oppressed by the Disciples when Sunni territory is secured, no doubt. It's what they did last time.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)It's the Khmer Rouge all over again.
drray23
(7,629 posts)The only conclusion I can draw is that they welcome it. Afghanistan is still a deeply religious society and they would rather be under the yoke of the Taliban than embrace western values that are not their own.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)Friggin makes me sick.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)the Taliban have been extorting and terrorizing the afghan population since we drove them out. that has an effect on troop morale, police morale, and the morale of anyone who doesn't want to be under the Taliban's "yoke". plenty of Afghanis want a more secular civil society; the girls that wanted to attend school, for instance.
most afghanis simply want the fighting to end. they're not going to get their wish; the non-Pashtun militias will carve out fiefdoms and the nation will revert to its pre-9/11 condition.
anyone associated with the Government will need to flee the country or face imprisonment, torture, and death. that already happened yesterday in Zaranj.
Pakistan got what it wanted. Afghanis get screwed.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)Never will be again. That ship sailed
Partition it to the Uzbek, Tajik, etc. nations in the north. On the west, to Iran. Maybe create a micro state of New Afghanistan with leaders and people who do want a nation of their own and willing to defend it at all costs. Let the rest rot and tell Pakistan its now their problem since they helped create this mess.
Oh and tell Pakistan, no fly zone for them, and incendiary bombs will be dropped on all poppy fields at will.