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applegrove

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Sun Aug 8, 2021, 09:23 PM Aug 2021

A terrifying new theory: Fake news and conspiracy theories as an evolutionary strategy

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A terrifying new theory: Fake news and conspiracy theories as an evolutionary strategy Social scientist Michael Bang Petersen on why people believe outrageous lies — as a tool in violent group conflict

By PAUL ROSENBERG at Salon

https://www.salon.com/2021/08/08/a-terrifying-new-theory-fake-news-and-conspiracy-theories-as-an-evolutionary-strategy/

PUBLISHED AUGUST 8, 2021 12:54PM (EDT)

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Political misinformation — whether "fake news," conspiracy theories or outright lying — has often been attributed to widespread ignorance, even though there are numerous examples of 20th-century propaganda aimed at those most attentive to politics. Books like Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" began to challenge that notion, as did the 1991 study of media coverage of the first Gulf War with the memorable bottom line, "the more you watch, the less you know." In the age of social media, scholarly explanations have shifted to discussions of "motivated reasoning," which could be defined by Paul Simon's line from "The Boxer": "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

But the ignorance perspective has a deep hold on us because it appeals to the Enlightenment notion that we are motivated to pursue truth. We are "the thinking animal," right? The important part of that expression may be "animal." Human beings have an evolutionary history, and deception is commonplace in the animal world because it confers evolutionary advantage. There's good reason to believe we're not so different, other than the fact that humans are ultra-social creatures. In ancestral and evolutionary terms, being part of a successful social group was every bit as essential as food and water. So deception among humans evolved from group conflicts. That's the thesis of a recent paper called "The Evolutionary Psychology of Conflict and the Functions of Falsehood" by the Danish political scientists Michael Bang Petersen and Mathias Osmundsen and American anthropologist John Tooby. 

While the paper aligns with the "motivated reasoning" perspective, its focus goes deeper than the psychological mechanisms that produce and reproduce false information. These researchers are trying to elucidate the functions of those mechanisms, that is, to answer the question of why they evolved in the first place. I interviewed Petersen three years ago, about a previous paper, "A 'Need for Chaos' and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies," which was summarized on Twitter thusly: "Many status-obsessed, yet marginalized individuals experience a 'Need for Chaos' and want to 'watch the world burn.'" That paper provided crucial insight into prolific spreaders of misinformation and why they do what they do. But that individualist account was only part of the story. This new paper seeks to illuminates the evolutionary foundations and social processes involved in the spread of outright falsehoods. So I had another long conversation with Petersen, edited as usual for clarity and length.

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One of our major goals with this research is to try to understand why it is that people believe things that other people believe are completely bizarre. I think it's clear for everyone that that problem has gained more prominence within the last few decades, especially with the advent of social media. It seems that those kind of belief systems — belief in information and content that other people would say is blatantly false — is becoming more widespread. It can have some pretty dire consequences, as we could see for example with the storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6. 

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A terrifying new theory: Fake news and conspiracy theories as an evolutionary strategy (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2021 OP
K&R. nt flying rabbit Aug 2021 #1
OY! elleng Aug 2021 #2
Everyone Seems To Have A Newsbreaking Theory Me. Aug 2021 #3
KNR niyad Aug 2021 #4
Basically, it's adaptive to tell big absurd unverifiable lies to motivate a group to action andym Aug 2021 #5
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2021 #6
They use "evolutionary" a lot, but don't make clear if they mean biological evolution muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #7
They mean the first. Groups who practised it, survived and it became applegrove Aug 2021 #8
Ah, so it's evidence-free musing muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #9
It is not evidence free. They can test to see what portion of the population applegrove Aug 2021 #10
That would be a tiny start, but there's nothing indicating they've done that. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2021 #11

andym

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5. Basically, it's adaptive to tell big absurd unverifiable lies to motivate a group to action
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 10:51 PM
Aug 2021

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especially when desiring to attack another group who would never have the same beliefs in order to create group cohesion and motivation in the first group. A key belief is to think the other group (the "enemy" ) is about to cause harm to the first group.

If the lie is told by a group leader and is verifiably untrue, then there is the possibility that the leader tells it to demonstrate dominance, with Trump's statements about the size of his inauguration being an example.

Adaptive advantage to the group is more important than traditional view of such beliefs helping group members to feel good about themselves. IMHO, the latter phenomenon would be one to help create group cohesion and itself would be evolutionarily adaptive and from a psychological POV motivational.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
7. They use "evolutionary" a lot, but don't make clear if they mean biological evolution
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:52 AM
Aug 2021

which is a big stretch, and would require a lot of evidence they haven't even tried to talk about - descendants being more likely to survive if they have a genetic tendency to believe impossible shit just so they can mark themselves out as a group.

Or are they talking about the "evolution" of beliefs in society - of memes, in the original use of that word?

applegrove

(118,654 posts)
8. They mean the first. Groups who practised it, survived and it became
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 11:45 AM
Aug 2021

biological for some portion of people.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
9. Ah, so it's evidence-free musing
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 11:46 AM
Aug 2021

I wonder if they've ever thought about making this a science, rather than story-telling?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
11. That would be a tiny start, but there's nothing indicating they've done that.
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 11:53 AM
Aug 2021

After they find out what portion believes conspiracy theories, or the similar things like outlandish religious beliefs they talk about, they'd need to show that the proportion is increasing, because people who do are passing some genes for it on to descendants in higher numbers. Or that this increase happened at some time in the past (very hard, because you can't do a meaningful test for the amount of weird belief in the past).

Evolution is about change in genotype over time. So, yes, evidence-free.

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