Afghanistan war: At least 27 children killed in three days,

[Rustyeye77]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58142983

At least 27 children have been killed in Afghanistan in three days amid fierce fighting between the Taliban and government forces, the UN has said.

The UN children's agency Unicef said it was shocked by the "rapid escalation of grave violations against children".

The Taliban have been making major advances across the country as foreign troops withdraw, taking at least six regional capitals since Friday.

They have rejected international calls for a ceasefire.

More than 1,000 civilians have been killed as a result of the conflict in the past month.

In a statement on Monday, Unicef said the atrocities being committed against children were growing "higher by the day".

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27 and probably much higher.

[SoonerPride]

1. How many separate posts about Afghanistan are you going to start?

I am just curious.

[Rustyeye77]

2. I want the truth to be seen.

Sooner or later , the truth will be seen.

If it doesnt bother anyone, no problem.

It bothers the hell out of me.

[SoonerPride]

3. Go volunteer.

Have a nice time.

See the world

[Rustyeye77]

6. I'm sure those 27+ children understand what youre saying.

[SoonerPride]

7. Why are you on a computer instead of a plane to help save the Afghan people?

Put your money where your mouth is.

Oh I see.

You just want OTHER PEOPLE to go to Afghanistan and die for them.

Gotcha.

It's much easier being a keyboard hero. ain't it?

[Rustyeye77]

12. I dont think any US forces should be there.

but this really is a world problem.

Biden should be thinking about this.

[Treefrog]

25. I'd be willing to bet that Biden IS "thinking about it."

[Rustyeye77]

4. They love to murder.

kids,women,men...bloodbath begins.

Time for the world to act.

[robbob]

5. I thought the world HAD been acting, for the last 20 years...

I know many Canadian forces paid the ultimate price trying to secure peace there. Obviously the USA has been involved the entire time. Great Britain, many European nation; don’t have time to research the numbers right now. What more can we do? I’d like you to explain how “the world” is supposed to fix this problem, when for the last 20 years they have been trying to do just that…

[Rustyeye77]

8. Ok...if you think the world has done all it can do

then dont think about the atrocities.Dont worry about it then.

[SoonerPride]

9. You still haven't explained why YOU aren't on a plane to go fight for the Afghanis.

Why is that again?

[robbob]

10. I worry about it. In fact it breaks my heart.

So now answer my question; what exactly do you want the world to do. Be specific. I’ll wait.

[Rustyeye77]

11. I'm hoping Biden and Blinken

are trying to figure out how to get democracies to work together to stop this atrocity.

Maybe its a pipe dream but advanced societies should act.

thats what leadership is all about.

[marie999]

14. Do you think that is the only country with this problem?

How many warring countries do you want us in? How about the countries in Africa with children forced to be soldiers?

[Rustyeye77]

20. No of course not.

We can’t be the worlds police.

It’s a horrible situation.

I don’t have all the answers. I just see what’s happening .

Can you honestly look away and ignore the murder of kids, the atrocities and the unspeakable horror of young girls ?

[marie999]

21. No I can't look away, I just don't have any answers.

[Rustyeye77]

22. I understand .

nt

[Rustyeye77]

13. Is there any number of murdered kids where the world acts?

And not a word from the UN.

And Europe cant be bothered.

[Irish_Dem]

15. Decades of military intervention have failed. Let's see if China can seduce the Taliban

with promises of riches and status to form a peaceful and stable country.

It is China's turn now to try something.

[Worried2020]

23. China is already on that.

.

They definitely do NOT want a rogue nation on their border.

If they do half as good at quelling the spread of the Taliban as they have with improving the lives of it's people, increasing it's military, developing over 30,000 kilometers of high speed rail etc., they'll do a much better job of taming the Taliban in a fraction of the 20 years the USA wasted lives and trillions of dollars, only to leave when the country was still very unstable.

But China will wait until they have a total game plan - just not barge in with guns ablazing . . . .

They make long range plans - and mostly succeed.

W

[Irish_Dem]

24. Yes, I know, as we speak, they are working on it.

I agree 100% with all your comments.

China is not about to allow big time shenanigans on its border. North Korea has tried its patience sorely, a rogue country way too in close proximity to China's major financial center, Shanghai. They do not want another major headache.

I feel certain China has already thought out its game plan regarding the Taliban. They would love the Afghanistan rare earth minerals worth $Trillons. They also need clear passage for the Belt and Road initiative. And they cannot proceed to superpower status unless the can deliver a stable regional power.

They will use the same strategy of infrastructure building as they have with Africa. They will seduce the Taliban with promises of wealth and status. They will throw quite a bit of cash at the Taliban, but with the clear expectations. They want the rare earth minerals, they must have Afghanistan become a safe, secure country. China will look the other way with the Taliban's human right abuses, just like the Taliban will look the other way with China's abuses.

I visited China before the changes you describe and afterwards. It was astounding and jaw dropping to see the transformation from a primitive third world totalitarian country, a life of misery for most Chinese, to a modern country.

Charging in with guns blazing is America's style. The US style is very aggressive and designed to enrich our military industrial complex, while making many enemies, and leaving the countries we invade a shamble.

The Chinese style is much different. They play the long game, have solid plans in place. Use carrot, rather than stick. And don't start dropping depleted uranium bombs on people of color like the US does. China is more transactional. They will give a lot, but they clearly demand something in return. It is win win.

They are however a ruthless, authoritarian regime, make no mistake.

[Rustyeye77]

26. You really want to bank on China ?

Think the Afghans will have a democracy ? Forget it

Think they will convince the taliban to stop making women sex slaves? Forget it

Think the taliban will listen to China? Forget it

Think the atrociities will stop? I doubt it

Ok…what will China do to Afghanistan?

I want to hear your opinion.

[Irish_Dem]

27. Well I am not sure you will like what I say.

I can tell you exactly what China will most likely do and not do.
Predicting Taliban behavior is less certain, but I can make a stab at it.

If China is successful, there will be an improvement in the end. China has a good chance here.

It will not be the improvement you or I would like. But the country will be better off than what we see now.
And China will make more progress there than Russia or the US have made.

If you are up for the details, let me know. You will see the good, the bad, and the ugly.

[Rustyeye77]

29. Ok...I appreciate your honesty.

Do you think Afghanistan will remain a democracy under China ?

Do you think the treatment of women as sex slaves will change under China?

Do you think money will influence the taliban that they will become human?

My opinion fwiw, the taliban won’t put up with a democracy, they will continue to treat older and young’s women as garbage and the taliban couldn’t give a damn about money. These are religious fascists / zealots who won’t put up with anything from China .

I predict China will NOT get involved.


Add- TheGood, the bad and the ugly was one of my favorite movies.

[Irish_Dem]

30. Answers

Do you think Afghanistan will remain a democracy under China ? UNLIKELY

Do you think the treatment of women as sex slaves will change under China? I think the women's lot will improve gradually.

Do you think money will influence the taliban that they will become human? They desire status and will change to appear more human.

My opinion fwiw, the taliban won’t put up with a democracy, they will continue to treat older and young’s women as garbage and the taliban couldn’t give a damn about money. These are religious fascists / zealots who won’t put up with anything from China . China is going to make them an offer they will find hard to refuse. The Taliban is interested in money and status. China has a number of things it needs and wants from the Taliban. It will be a transactional relationship.

I predict China will NOT get involved. China has no choice, it must get involved for a variety of reasons. It must at least do something. A lot is at stake. China plays the long game, it will not have a threat on its borders. But I agree, the Taliban is a bit of a wildcard. The rest of the world has failed dismally in Afghanistan, China has the cash, determination and push to make some inroads. If China wants to be a superpower it must succeed in Afghanistan.


Add- TheGood, the bad and the ugly was one of my favorite movies. Great movie

[JHB]

16. So what is your magic plan that no one else has thought of?

This is a country whose borders were made by outside powers who didn't exactly consult with the people who lived there, so it cuts right through tribal areas. For instance, about half the Pashtun live in Afghanistan, half in Pakistan. The Pakistan portion has provided a safe haven for the Taliban whenever things got too hot on the Afghan side of the border. Twenty years of carrots and sticks for Pakistan hasn't changed that much. What are you proposing?

What do you propose about the ambusher's-paradise terrain of the place? Most heavy traffic is funneled into easily-targetable mountain passes. Lighter traffic (like, say, insurgents and their supplies) can use less hospitable routes. What do you propose to fix that?

[Rustyeye77]

17. C'mon...no reason to be condescending.

Ive stated it twice.

We did our part. I really think the rest of democracies should step up ...with our air support.

I have to believe after seeing your posts that you too are disgusted with them.

They are psycho religious fascists.

And what happens after the taliban takes over ? No love and peace.

They will be a terrorist state.They have already proved that by harboring al-queda and will be a national security problem.

[JHB]

18. Which "other democracies"? Units from other NATO countries were there until 2014.

Did you know that? From your various threads today it sounds like you didn't know that.

You may call my phrasing condescending, but the question remains: What are you proposing that has not already been tried? How would you deal with the border problem? How do you deal with the fact that there is very little that knits the region together into a nation?

[Rustyeye77]

19. Well, Nato forces may need to return.

Its a terrible situation.

Biden will somehow have to lead at this point. No, I dont have all the answers.

I just see the atrocities going on there and i find it abhorrent.

NATO/EUROPE/UN can look the other way but it wont change whats happening there.

You know what happened before with harboring terrorists , the treatment/murder/degradation of young girls and the atrocities.

And its happening now...again.

Can you just ignore it and say nothing anyone can do?


add--I guess i'm a bleeding heart.

[maxsolomon]

28. Inevitable.

War is hell, innocents are killed.

And I'm one who doesn't see those 2 decades of non-Theocracy as a complete waste.