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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you believe Trump will ever be charged with any crimes?
Or do you believe he is above the law?
Do you think he will ever sit before a jury of his peers?
Do you think he has committed any crimes or do you think he is just a terrible person who has done some rotten stuff, but not illegal?
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)msongs
(67,403 posts)Polly Hennessey
(6,794 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)1. No
2. Definitely not
3. No
4. Yes, I think he has committed crimes daily, likely for decades.
dchill
(38,481 posts)But as usual, he won't pay.
Luciferous
(6,078 posts)luv2fly
(2,475 posts)And likely to never see a day in prison.
cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)is stronger than good.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)All of my illusions about life have been shattered, pretty much all at once.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)I would agree.
It challenges our belief system.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)To be good, you need a lot of corollaries; Firm moral ground, the financial/social standing to hold true to your morals, dedication to what you perceive to be right and a willingness to sacrifice of yourself for the betterment of the world around you. It takes time, effort and energy to be "Good" and in the end, you walk away with a personal net loss of that time/energy. Being "Good" is functionally a sacrifice.
Being evil, though, is fundamental. You simply do what you wish. You take what you want. You see someone being "Good" and take their sacrifice for your own gain. Greed and power are just means to an end when you're "Evil", tools to abuse the "Good" to enhance your own status. There's a reason most people we'd consider "Evil" are also considered incredibly rich/successful. Take away benevolent morality from someone and their reservations/hesitations are removed, unleashing them to do whatever they wish at any cost.
It takes a great multitude of people being "Good" to outweigh the "Evil" of far fewer, as we're seeing in the political arena right now. The right wing has perpetuated a culture of "Fuck you, that's why", and while we may hold the political powerhouses of the White House and the Legislature at the moment, the Repubs are winning on the undercard; The judges, the state and local legislatures, and most importantly, in the media. They can, and do, lie, cheat, and steal, and the left seems to have few if any answers for them; When called out on one lie, they simply lie again, and that's a major benefit of their 'Evil'. They are unaccountable to anyone except themselves and their like-minded peers, and can be as "Evil" as they feel they can get away with.
Being "Good" can't counter Evil like that on an even playing field.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,491 posts)Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes and most of their cronies. Theyll be back to finish the job before the end of the decade. This country is too stupid and corrupt to stop it from happening.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)Has he committed crimes? It sure seems like it, but he's never been charged with anything. Some seem to think his taxes are full of crimes but the IRS has had them for decades and no crimes...
I think he's always had others do the shady stuff.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)anybody who investigates is afraid, it looks like to me.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)Is it irreparable damage?
Or can it be fixed?
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)The damage isn't in the "loss of faith", it's in the failures of the institutions themselves.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)gab13by13
(21,323 posts)the dirt is going to go to the IG. that means we might hear something in a year and a half or more.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)I don't trust the guy? He did a lot of favors for Trump, from James Comey decison to the FISA Court decisions, he always seemed to protect Trump?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)scamming everyone in broad daylight
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Deuxcents
(16,197 posts)superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Nt
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)brooklynite
(94,519 posts)kentuck
(111,089 posts)Right?
brooklynite
(94,519 posts)kentuck
(111,089 posts)Why waste your valuable time?
brooklynite
(94,519 posts)Doesn't seem worth the effort.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)No need to attack people.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)Shellback Squid
(8,914 posts)David__77
(23,372 posts)I think any trial of him relating to his coup conspiracy would inevitably be a political trial. I think some people in power consider that that would be damaging to the institutions. I think that perspective misjudged the threat and actual situation.
happybird
(4,606 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)face civil suits and spend a ton on legal fees (although his campaign fund might pay much of that).
His punishment will be hes a loser who had a chance to go down in history as something other than a cad, racist, incompetent, liar, greedy POS, fool, and worse, who went out and attracted the votes of ignorant rubes.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)...and not left open to public interpretation alone.
I think he deserves a hearing, at the very least, to defend himself against the charges. Then let history record it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)even if he is given immunity for underlying crimes.
However, dont think there is a jury in this country that would convict him of anything remotely political. There will always be one trumpster who sacrifices himself to defend the former guy.
area51
(11,908 posts)He should be, though.
RainCaster
(10,870 posts)Skittles
(153,159 posts)he's a fascist piece of shit who, like Dubya, will get away will everything
beaglelover
(3,469 posts)Nexus2
(1,261 posts)After he's dead (and may be I am too) it'll probably bubble up, if anyone cares at that point.
I'd love to be wrong.
Or perhaps there is a non amoral (or non-malign....) Afterlife where he might suffer some consequences for his actions in life
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Absolutely no. And that makes me so angry!!!
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)He will never face trial.
GoodRaisin
(8,922 posts)He's committed crimes alright but I expect for any hard evidence against him to be suppressed and buried.
hibbing
(10,098 posts)BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)He has so far shown that he is above the law.
ansible
(1,718 posts)Thats not how justice works in this country.