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ansible

(1,718 posts)
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:02 PM Aug 2021

Kandahar Collapses - Afghan Collapse Accelerates as 2 Vital Cities Are Falling to the Taliban

KABUL, Afghanistan — Two major cities in western and southern Afghanistan were on the verge of collapse to the Taliban on Thursday, as the insurgency’s race to seize control of the country accelerated. With the Taliban’s sudden gains in Kandahar, in the country’s southern Pashtun heartland, and Herat, a vital cultural and economic hub, the insurgents appear to be nearing a complete military takeover. Only four major cities — including the capital, Kabul — remain under government control, and two of them are under siege by the Taliban.

Both cities were heavily defended, in battles that raged for weeks. But increasingly, the Afghan security forces appear to be collapsing, with many soldiers and policemen reported to be deserting, or even changing sides in some places. Both cities offer resonant victories for the Taliban, which have swept across the country in a brutal military campaign since international troops began withdrawing in May. The insurgents now control over half of the country’s 400-odd districts. And with the fall of Kandahar and Herat, along with another provincial capital south of Kabul, Ghazni — all on Thursday — the insurgents will control 12 provincial capitals.

Kandahar, in particular, is a huge prize for the Taliban. It is the economic hub of southern Afghanistan, and it was the birthplace of the insurgency in the 1990s and served as the militant’s capital during their five-year rule. By seizing the city, the Taliban can effectively proclaim a return to power, if not complete control.

For weeks, a mix of Afghan army, commando and special police units have desperately tried to hold Kandahar city as it came under Taliban siege. But on Thursday, Taliban fighters broke through nearly every frontline surrounding the city, according to members of the security forces. They also overran Kandahar’s central prison on Wednesday, freeing hundreds of inmates, using a strategy of swelling their ranks practiced for well over a decade.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/world/asia/kandahar-afghanistan-taliban.html

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Kandahar Collapses - Afghan Collapse Accelerates as 2 Vital Cities Are Falling to the Taliban (Original Post) ansible Aug 2021 OP
It's over, Johnny greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #1
What else did anyone expect to happen there? sboatcar Aug 2021 #2
foregone conclusion stillcool Aug 2021 #3
I can think of at least one party who got what they wanted. robbob Aug 2021 #30
yeah...those bombs don't sell themselves stillcool Aug 2021 #33
Helluva a job. Xoan Aug 2021 #4
We've seen this movie before. Rustyeye77 Aug 2021 #5
You can't help a country that won't help itself. marie999 Aug 2021 #7
With all due respect Rustyeye77 Aug 2021 #9
It is the people's fault because it is the people who make up the military. marie999 Aug 2021 #11
Ok Rustyeye77 Aug 2021 #12
But what was allowing all of that was the superior Military force of the US JI7 Aug 2021 #16
So edhopper Aug 2021 #22
Will he tea? LanternWaste Aug 2021 #8
I know,.......so worry about them, the women and young girls. 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 a kennedy Aug 2021 #19
What's the status of getting the interpreters out? hamsterjill Aug 2021 #6
They're screwed, there's barely enough time to even evacuate our own people ansible Aug 2021 #29
I thought there were some that had already been brought out hamsterjill Aug 2021 #31
And as we speak, one might imagine... kentuck Aug 2021 #10
Am I wrong in saying Red Mountain Aug 2021 #13
Anybody else having deja vu all over again? albacore Aug 2021 #14
Oh yeah, i been saying it for days, goodbye Saigon, dont wait for the last helicopter leaving! Shanti Shanti Shanti Aug 2021 #15
Yes. but the people of Vietnam were still far better off than Afghanistan JI7 Aug 2021 #17
Yes dammit Arazi Aug 2021 #27
For some interests it was a money maker. jalan48 Aug 2021 #18
I think this was the plan Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #20
Mark my words. This is bidens albatross. It's going to derail everything dsp3000 Aug 2021 #21
"concern" noted Tarc Aug 2021 #24
+1 million. If the GOP don't weaponize this in the next 3 days Arazi Aug 2021 #28
Not our problem, we're not the World's Police Force. We (the DU) fought the neocons Tarc Aug 2021 #23
Afghanistan will still be a hellhole 100 years from now Calculating Aug 2021 #25
This is painful... CRK7376 Aug 2021 #26
I seems that Afghans aren't up to fighting and killing other Afghans. Taliban or not. tenderfoot Aug 2021 #32
The general public there probably supports them. SweetieD Aug 2021 #34

sboatcar

(415 posts)
2. What else did anyone expect to happen there?
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:15 PM
Aug 2021

It wasn't a matter of if the whole thing was going to come tumbling down, just on who's watch it was going to happen. I'm sad for the afghan people, but at some point they need to throw the taliban out.

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
5. We've seen this movie before.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:51 PM
Aug 2021

We may feel good today but when terrorism starts again, we're going to be back in in a few years...or less.

I hope and pray for the Afghan people. They are so doomed.

Those poor young girls and women. Those poor boys too.

I love Joe Biden but he signaled his withdrawal and that may have been a mistake.

I only hope some Calvary comes over the hill in the form a multi-national force but my hope is fading.

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
9. With all due respect
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 06:05 PM
Aug 2021

I know the words Nation Building is an anathma but look at the total picture

1.The have voting
2, the have an elected govt
3. Women were in elected office
4. Women were working in the private sector
5. Young girls went to school and loved it
6. Boys went to school and not those terrorist producing madrassas.
7. Young girls weren’t made in taliban sex slaves.
8. They had freedoms they did not have under the taliban

Was it perfect ? No but soon all those things will be gone.

It’s not the people’s fault their army sucks.

I feel terrible for those innocent people. And those poor girls.

And I may be alone but even after 20 years, the thought of those people suffering is heart wrenching .

I guess I’m a bleeding heart person.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
11. It is the people's fault because it is the people who make up the military.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 08:14 PM
Aug 2021

If the people who want a free country would enlist in the military and fight to keep their freedom maybe we wouldn't have had to spend 20 years there.

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
12. Ok
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 08:23 PM
Aug 2021

I tried to appeal to you with humanity and facts.

I failed. I’m sorry.

No need to reply.

Thank you.

edhopper

(33,576 posts)
22. So
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:40 PM
Aug 2021

Why can't these people, with the full support of the US, keep this?
Why is the Taliban stronger and more adept at taking control?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
8. Will he tea?
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 05:50 PM
Aug 2021

Pretty sure we have seen this movie. Return of the something or other I think it was called.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
6. What's the status of getting the interpreters out?
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:53 PM
Aug 2021

I’ve not seen anything on that covered recently. Anyone know? TIA.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
31. I thought there were some that had already been brought out
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 10:36 AM
Aug 2021

Yes, the majority are screwed and I think that’s horrible. Another blight on America.

I thought there were a few, at least, that had already been brought to Washington.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
10. And as we speak, one might imagine...
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 06:41 PM
Aug 2021

...that the Taliban leaders are on their new cell phones, directing all their forces to gather around Kabul in two or three weeks. They will declare themselves the new rulers of the most cruel and inhumane country in the world.

Red Mountain

(1,733 posts)
13. Am I wrong in saying
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 08:36 PM
Aug 2021

that Pakistan enabled this?

I get it to some extent.......siphon off the worst elements of their own society to the (now) new/old playground.

What do they gain?

 

Shanti Shanti Shanti

(12,047 posts)
15. Oh yeah, i been saying it for days, goodbye Saigon, dont wait for the last helicopter leaving!
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 08:54 PM
Aug 2021

Embassies should all be evacuated immediately

JI7

(89,249 posts)
17. Yes. but the people of Vietnam were still far better off than Afghanistan
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:16 PM
Aug 2021

Vietnam is a tourist destination these days.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
28. +1 million. If the GOP don't weaponize this in the next 3 days
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:59 PM
Aug 2021

Then it's only a matter of time.

Wait until the female journalists/doctors/teachers are executed, buried up to their necks, in full burka by a rage-filled crowd in the old soccer stadium.

Brace yourself. It's coming

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
23. Not our problem, we're not the World's Police Force. We (the DU) fought the neocons
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:44 PM
Aug 2021

on this point daily, back in the day.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
25. Afghanistan will still be a hellhole 100 years from now
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:49 PM
Aug 2021

You can't help people who won't help themselves. We spent 20 years training the afghan army and giving them equipment and they're all just throwing down their arms and surrendering to the Taliban. Probably over half of them ARE the Taliban and joined up to infiltrate the army and wait for us to leave.

CRK7376

(2,199 posts)
26. This is painful...
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:50 PM
Aug 2021

Our BN HQ was berthed and supplied from Khandahar, while my team spent most of our time in Urzugan Province, seemed like we were in the Stone Age...a grand total of 6 residences had power from small portable generators 24/7 amongst the Afghan people in our small village. I know because we checked each of them. Lots of pain in that part of what can be a beautiful country, if you like the mountains...

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