Step closer everyone! Place your bets! What do you think will it be?

[DetlefK]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-stabbed-reporter-assaulted-at-los-angeles-city-hall-anti-coronavirus-vaccine-rally

Anti-vaxxers organized a rally in LA. The Twitter-account "SoCal Antifa" called for a counter-rally and dozens pro-vaxxers showed up. (Shame on DailyBeast that I had to go to FoxNews to find out that SoCal Antifa organized the counter-rally.)

Eventually a huge streetfight broke out. Someone got stabbed and is currently in hospital.

It was not immediately clear what sparked the fight, but the anti-mask crowd claimed the wounded demonstrator was one of their own. The fistfights between the anti- and pro-vaccine crowds reportedly involved mace and death threats.

PLACE YOUR BETS!

Who stabbed whom?

Here's a hint: Anti-vaxx protesters also attacked a journalist mid-interview during the rally.

[elleng]

1. This just flashed (into my not quite so old memory:)

assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, and his wife Sophie in Sarajevo (the capital of the Austro-Hungarian province of Bosnia-Herzegovina) on 28 June 1914 eventually led to the outbreak of the First World War.

[DetlefK]

2. This not comparable whatsoever.

The Serbs were forcibly a part of the Austro-Hungarian empire and there was a separatist movement.
The assassination of the prince caused more oppression against the Serbs, which caused the outbreak of war between the empire and Russia, which caused Germany to join the war as an ally of the empire, which caused France to join the war as an enemy of Germany, which caused England to join the war as an ally of France.

[elleng]

3. Right, but as I said, it just 'flashed' into my mind.

Wondering who and how many will die due to our current madness, and how far it will go.

[DetlefK]

6. I don't think that the US will have another Civil War, but a lot of domestic right-wing terrorism.

I have been studying conspiracy-theorists for a few years now. It's basically like this:

Step 1: They are intellectually unable to understand how a certain part of the real world works, BUT at the same time they are unable to admit that they don't understand.

Step 2: They come up with their own alternative explanation for this real-world-thing and THEN they insist that they have it right and that the whole rest of the world has it wrong. The rest of the world MUST have it wrong, because otherwise this person would be wrong and this is impossible.

Step 3: Now that we have established that you are secretly better than everybody else, the time for activism has come. It's time to convince the whole world that YOU are correct.

Step 4: For some reason, people aren't interested in your explanation, refuse to listen to you, refuse to believe you. Some of them even have the gall to claim that you are factually wrong. You are getting frustrated.

Step 5: You come to the conclusion that SOMEONE is actively hindering your efforts in secrecy: an evil conspiracy.



And this is where things begin to diverge.

* Flat-Earthers are fanatics, far removed from reality and logical thinking, but in all my years I have never-ever heard of a violent Flat-Earther. Some of them are foam-at-the-mouth ranting and raving mentally unstable lunatics, but violence seems not a trait of them. -> Because this is about an intellectual disagreement and intellectual superiority.

* Sovereign-citizens regularly get into legal troubles because they live according to their own laws. But most I have ever heard sovereign-citizens doing is crimes of filing false documents and stealing someone else's house. No violence. -> Because this is about legal rights and about who owns the land.

* Anti-vaxxers... Well... With them, the issue at hand is about their very bodies, their lives. I can see this kind of conspiracy-theorists enganging in murder and terrorism, with the justification that they are merely engaging in self-defence.

[elleng]

7. 'Thanks.'

What can we do?

[DetlefK]

10. There is nothing we can do:

For conspiracy-theorists it's all about THEM. About THEM being correct. About THEM being the underdog genius. About THEM being the underdog hero.

If you were able to prove to a conspiracy-theorist that he is wrong, that would mean that you are taking away from him that which makes him a genius/hero.

So, what is he supposed to do? Is he supposed to accept that he is wrong and that he's not special?



We will never be able to convince the Trumpers that the election wasn't stolen or that vaccines are safe.
Because as long as the election is stolen, as long as vaccines are dangerous, that means they are heroes/geniuses.
If the election wasn't stolen, if vaccines are safe, that means they are no better than anybody else.
And that is their biggest fear: No longer being special.

[IcyPeas]

4. Who the heck are SoCalAntifa, I asked myself....

Here is their web site.

https://socalantifa.noblogs.org/

[cadoman]

5. a few short years ago I never could have imagined us treating each other like this...

We had our differences and dumb heated moments but we always put it aside and came together. From work to sports to family dinner to church, there was unity. Now I see groups of working class people beating the shit out of each other to no end, with genuine hatred in their hearts.

What the hell happened? Trump is the obvious answer but I don't buy it. It's something more subtle. Somehow political differences became cultural differences, even though politically not a damn thing changed...

[steventh]

8. Putin's plan in action?

Maybe?

[vercetti2021]

9. I don't care if it was a nazi boy

Self defense since they love to act like fucking animals

[AllaN01Bear]

11. the whole antivaxx thing has been fueled and weaponized by tfg lard lips