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Even with 20 years of active US military and full economic support, the Afghan government and its institutions couldnt pull their nation together. That is a failure of Afghan leadership.
Ashraf Ghani, President of Afghanistan, just jetted out of the capital to safety. He left millions behind, including displaced children whose families fled generations of civil war. Hes likely heading towards billions in cash, looted by a corrupt government. Not Biden.
PS: The Taliban, a Sunni sect, have the support of neighboring Pakistan. Perhaps Putin sends military support their way via the former Soviet republics to the north. Whatever the source, the Taliban formed a militarized minority that was ruthless.
onetexan
(13,041 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,903 posts)The agency said it reviewed $7.8 billion spent since 2008 on buildings and vehicles
Only $343.2 million worth of buildings and vehicles were maintained in good condition
Arab News, AP
1 March 2021
ISLAMABAD: The United States wasted billions of dollars in war-torn Afghanistan on buildings and vehicles that were either abandoned or destroyed, according to a report released Monday by a US government watchdog.
The agency said it reviewed $7.8 billion spent since 2008 on buildings and vehicles. Only $343.2 million worth of buildings and vehicles were maintained in good condition, said the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, which oversees American taxpayer money spent on the protracted conflict.
The report said that just $1.2 billion of the $7.8 billion went to pay for buildings and vehicles that were used as intended.
The fact that so many capital assets wound up not used, deteriorated or abandoned should have been a major cause of concern for the agencies financing these projects, John F. Sopko, the special inspector general, said in his report.
The US public is weary of the nearly 20-year-old war and President Joe Biden is reviewing a peace deal his predecessor, Donald Trump, signed with the Taliban a year ago. He must decide whether to withdraw all troops by May 1, as promised in the deal, or stay and possibly prolong the war. Officials say no decision has been made.
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questionseverything
(9,654 posts)Looking back, its the women we should of armed and trained, let them decide which men were worth letting hang around
They would of fought to save themselves and their children
Kid Berwyn
(14,903 posts)The Conversation, Sept. 11, 2020
An Afghan soldier convicted of murdering three Australian soldiers is among six high-value prisoners who have been flown to Qatar ahead of peace talks between the Taliban and Afghan government this weekend.
Hekmatullah has spent seven years in jail after killing the three soldiers he worked with in 2012 Lance Corporal Stjepan Milosevic, Sapper James Martin and Private Robert Poate. He is one of the last remaining Taliban prisoners.
Both the Taliban and the United States have pressured the Afghan government to release all 5,000 Taliban prisoners it holds as part of their peace deal. In return, the Taliban pledged to release 1,000 members of the Afghan security forces.
The Afghan government was excluded from the original peace deal struck between the US and Taliban in February where the prisoner release was negotiated, but has since agreed to release the prisoners.
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https://theconversation.com/exchanging-killers-for-peace-in-afghanistan-is-wrong-and-could-have-lasting-consequences-145927
GoCubsGo
(32,083 posts)They took us in there in the first place, knowing that there is no such thing as "Afghan leadership." That is not a county. It's a collection of tribes that occupy an area within borders of an area we call "Afghanistan." Ashraf Ghani may be corrupt, but he and the others would never even be in such positions without our intervention.
Oh, an Liz Cheney can go fuck herself.
Kid Berwyn
(14,903 posts)How Biden viewed the start of Americas post-9/11 wars may inform his future decisions on the use of force.
By Jonah Blank
The Atlantic, 20 April, 2021
The original sin of the war in Iraq was going to war in Iraq. And the original sin of the war in Afghanistan was going to war in Iraq.
In September 2001, when Joe Biden was the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, I was the policy adviser for the stretch of Asia that included Afghanistan. By 9 a.m. on 9/11, I felt certain that al-Qaeda (which was based in Afghanistan) was behind the attacksbut that wed end up invading Iraq anyway.
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In 2001, even the most ardent war hawks didnt want to invade Afghanistan: They wanted to invade Iraq. Neoconservatives, such as the Pentagon officials Paul Wolfowitz and Doug Feith, had a grand vision of remaking the country in Americas image. Paleoconservatives, such as Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, wanted to oust Saddam Hussein, install a pliable puppet, and thereby deter any other would-be adversaries. Both camps saw Afghanistan as an unwelcome distraction from the main event, but they applied the same rationales there.
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The first choice U.S. policy makers had to make in 2001 was how to respond to an attack on American soil. Doing nothing wasnt seen as an option. Many in Congress advocated for an air campaign alone, but serious strategists knew this would be futile: Al-Qaedas leadership was already in hiding, and the Taliban didnt possess any infrastructure worth destroying.
On October 22 that year, Biden gave a speech insisting that U.S. goalsrooting out al-Qaeda and helping establish a friendly successor government to the Talibanwould require U.S. ground troops far beyond the small number of Special Forces already in place. He expressed concern about a campaign fought from 30,000 feet, which he felt would kill many civilians without achieving its aims; such action would make the U.S. look like a high-tech bully, he said, and potentially alienate Muslims around the globe. Republican congresspeople criticized Biden, but his prediction proved accurate. The tonnage of munitions dropped on Afghanistan has never been accurately tallied, but 7,423 bombs rained down in 2019 alone, and the Taliban are no closer to surrender.
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FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)'Memba him? Osama Bin Laden, the guy who organized 9/11/01.
Joe Biden helped bring down Osama Bin Laden. Tell the Repukes to STFU!
Afghanistan's history isn't America's fault and it certainly isn't Biden's fault.
Thunderbeast
(3,408 posts)We...The citizens of the United States...were unable to curb our twin addictions to Saudi oil and black market heroin.
Had we not been addicted to cheap gasoline, we would have been able to hold the Saudis and the other gas-pump dictators accountable for the Wahabis, Al Queida, and OBL. We funded the Taliban at a rate of $2.98 a gallon.
Had we implemented humane and proven strategies to reduce opioid addiction, the Taliban would not have benefitted from Afghanistan's biggest (only?) export crop.
Military and political solutions require a context for success. We had no interest in (or capability to) doing the hard work needed to stabilize countries locked in medieval culture. Making Kabul a safe place for empowered women will only happen organically, and from within!
PortTack
(32,765 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)We were there 20 years. The Taliban took a long view approach. The just waited. We could have stayed 5 more years and they would have continued to wait.
The people of Afghanistan have to fight for their change. My guess is most of the people in Afghanistan are good with the Taliban.
Now we have to figure out a way to keep them contained and held accountable.
And I guess China will be the next nation to try to make friends with them. Good luck!
onetexan
(13,041 posts)While corruption in the afghan puppet goverment either embezzled or wasted billions of american aid. Hence why the fast unraveling of the country - the former president was all about himself, not the poor people of Afghanistan. Their men recruited to fight had no incentive to fight given they weren't paid enough to feed their families.